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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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fritos
United States153 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:41 WniO wrote: Actually it might be possible that foriegners dominate koreans within a few years if these new leagues pick up outside of korea and koreans start losing interest in the gsl. I mean korea might still cling to broodwar for a long time. "I mean korea might still cling to broodwar for a long time." That could either mean good or bad for foreigners. If they weren't cling to BW, would they be much better than foreigners right now? | ||
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whowahuh
United States184 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:41 WniO wrote: Actually it might be possible that foriegners dominate koreans within a few years if these new leagues pick up outside of korea and koreans start losing interest in the gsl. I mean korea might still cling to broodwar for a long time. Seeing the current trend playing out, koreans clinging onto bw is going to be like a captain refusing to abandon his sinking ship. I don't mean to derail the quality or legacy of bw in any way. It's a GREAT game. But I bring up the issue of "trend" because foreign tournaments are starting to be where the money is at. As more and more top Korean pros are transitioning to SC2 and those same pros are publicly announcing their future involvement in foreign tournaments, it's only a matter of time before korea will have to look beyond its borders. Where the money is, the quality will be. Money drives competition, practice, and progamer improvement. | ||
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LostDevil
Fiji283 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:55 whowahuh wrote: Seeing the current trend playing out, koreans clinging onto bw is going to be like a captain refusing to abandon his sinking ship. I don't mean to derail the quality or legacy of bw in any way. It's a GREAT game. But I bring up the issue of "trend" because foreign tournaments are starting to be where the money is at. As more and more top Korean pros are transitioning to SC2 and those same pros are publicly announcing their future involvement in foreign tournaments, it's only a matter of time before korea will have to look beyond its borders. Where the money is, the quality will be. Money drives competition, practice, and progamer improvement. Koreans clinging to BW like a sinking ship? Doesn't Flash have a 400k contract or something like that? Yea the entire sponsorship for NASL would go to pay Flash's salary before he wins leagues. The sinking ship comment is a low blow and you know it. | ||
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
In fact, I'd really love it if the game depended on various random things and randomness is a part of it, just so you can't figure it out. But, the point is, brood war became synonimous with e-sport due to Korea, the first starleauges where in korea. SC2 has already been picked up outside out korea and some foreigners are already getting the same rigorous practice that Koreans enjoy. | ||
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whowahuh
United States184 Posts
Koreans clinging to BW like a sinking ship? Doesn't Flash have a 400k contract or something like that? Yea the entire sponsorship for NASL would go to pay Flash's salary before he wins leagues. The sinking ship comment is a low blow and you know it. Woa man, not trying to pick a fight or anything. I'm just repeating myself, but that metaphor was in no way supposed to discredit any part of bw. Sure, I could've used a metaphor using imagery with pink cupcakes and rainbow colored unicorns, but I just wanted to juxtapose the current state of bw with the "trend" (as I mentioned) that is evolving with the SC2 community. | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
On April 01 2011 19:48 fritos wrote: Why are Koreans better than foreigners? Will they eventually dominate SC2 over foreigners in future? ... Even now, we know that the Korean server is the toughest server as far as the level of play is concerned. Obviously, not everyone on the Korean server is a pro but they just seem to be playing at a higher level even for amateurs. Do you agree or disagree? From my short time in the Starcraft community, I'd say there seem to be two main reasons that Koreans are better than foreigners at SC:BW 1) Practice Time - particularly working on mechanics so much 2) Practice Environment - immediate access to other progamers, with the capacity to bounce ideas off each other Both of these are less of an issue in SC2 because 1) Mechanics are significantly less important for SC2. That isn't to say that mechanics aren't important, but Multiple Building Select and million-unit control groups have made the game far less mechanically intensive than SC:BW. 2) Non-Korean progamers are starting to organise themselves more in line with the Korean model. Team Liquid have members living full time in the OGS house, EG are talking of setting up their own team house in (I think) Phoenix, and ROOT and fnaticMSI have already created their own team house in Florida. Add in the fact that there are a number of big non-Korean tournaments these days (MLG, IEM, NASL, TeSL, TSL, Dreamhack...) and the environment seems, for now, to be right for non-Korean progamers to perform at a higher level. I think Koreans will generally be better than non-Koreans, both at the pro and amateur levels, but I doubt the difference will be anywhere near as pronounced as it is/was in SC:BW. | ||
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fritos
United States153 Posts
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On April 02 2011 06:09 LostDevil wrote: Koreans clinging to BW like a sinking ship? Doesn't Flash have a 400k contract or something like that? Yea the entire sponsorship for NASL would go to pay Flash's salary before he wins leagues. The sinking ship comment is a low blow and you know it. I would say about 70% of bw progamers earn minimum wage salaries (bteamers for example) | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On May 31 2011 08:45 Soulish wrote: I would say about 70% of bw progamers earn minimum wage salaries (bteamers for example) And now some evidence to this claim, or your post is completely useless. I'm not saying it's not so, I'm saying I have no clue and neither do you. Furthermore, since you wonna go there, do you think the amount of people actually making money professionally is higher in sc2 or bw? | ||
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epikAnglory
United States1120 Posts
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yiodee
United States137 Posts
Now maybe this is the time where the foreigners will focus on the game, get monetary support to run teams and try and become really skilled at sc2. The money thing is already happening with more and more tournaments popping up with attractive prize pools. Now before anybody says anything else about sc:bw skill translating to sc2 skill; I would like to remind you about warcraft 3. The way the spells work, as well as other features like MBS resemble sc2 more than sc1. And as we have seen, not all the players who were successful at wc3 have been as successful in sc2. If wc3 skill doesn't translate to sc2 skill, it would be foolish to assume that sc1 skill translates into sc2 skill 100%. It is a new game in the sense that it is a different game. | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
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TDN
United States133 Posts
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DeepBlu2
United States975 Posts
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Blizzard_torments_me
Romania199 Posts
There was no motivation for the foreigner community to practice BW as much as koreans did. There were no conditions to practice with players of their level either. Even in Warcraft 3 the foreigners practiced ALLOT. Grubby used to practice 12 hours a day before a LAN. So no , I don't think there will be any difference between the koreans and the foreigners anymore,as there was no difference in Warcraft 3. I still can't understand why there so many that cannot see this at all. I could go on forever here but the bottom line is the SC2 community is flourishing globally while BW was only worth playing in Korea.Hence this argument about koreans being better is moot. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
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WaterTower
France138 Posts
And it is quite expensive to maintain a team, From one of the interviews, I remember the cost being 20 million or so per year which is not surprising considering rent, food, salary, coaches, etc. In Korea, tens of thousands of people show up to stadiums and millions more watch the games on TV generating the revenue that makes team sponsoring possible. Therefore, there is no doubt that Koreans will eventually beat all the other nationalities once again. It is, as a poster above mentioned, not about genetics. | ||
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WaterTower
France138 Posts
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