EPTWhich commentator has the highest play skill level - Page 12
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ryndaris
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JackDino
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GameTime
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On March 25 2011 03:43 OldBamboo wrote: Day is getting his M.S. in Math, right? That takes one heck of a self-disciplined mind. I think the question is: Does Day9 have the talent to use with his genius brain and become a dominant sc2 gamer. If he can't execute all of the brilliant ideas/strategies he comes up with, then he'll be limited in how far he can go. He's getting his M.S in a design field. I don't remember exactly what his degree is but his math degree is from Harvey Mudd. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On March 25 2011 03:56 eviltomahawk wrote: Artosis has a great deal of theoretical skill, yet I don't really see that translate into tournament results aside from some of the Beta events and the GSL1 Ro64. I'm sure he would become a fantastic player if he had more time to practice and participate in events as a player, but right now his current physical skill isn't too impressive. I think TLO is currently the commentator with the highest play skill level. His commentating with Rotterdam at the IEM finals was both informative and entertaining, and he continues to be a crazy-good Random player in many current tournaments. Unlike other commentators, TLO is in-form and still produces great results despite not commentating as much. he's not participating in any events outside of qualifiers for GSL. you can't have tournament results w/out attending tournaments. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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Mouth
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eviltomahawk
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On March 25 2011 05:26 ixi.genocide wrote: he's not participating in any events outside of qualifiers for GSL. you can't have tournament results w/out attending tournaments. True. However, he hasn't really been on the KR server top 200 list recently despite claiming to be playing on it a lot. Then again, the top 200 on KR is full of full-time progamers, so it would be difficult for anyone to make it onto the list. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On March 25 2011 04:36 iNcontroL wrote: lol No it isn't. Why aren't you a blue poster yet? >.> | ||
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Tiax;mous
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Cyber_Cheese
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HEROwithNOlegacy
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ixi.genocide
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On March 25 2011 05:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: ive seen idra commentate, therefore hes a commentator and the best actively playing one I have commentated on games, does that make me a commentator? I guess in the definitive term it does but when you are labeling someone, you would label me as noob, Idra as progamer and Artosis as commentator. | ||
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AeonStrife
United States918 Posts
The worst overall has to go to TotalBiscuit. No offense to the guy. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:42 AeonStrife wrote: Artosis for protoss, Gretorp/painuser for terran, kelly/psy for zerg. The worst overall has to go to TotalBiscuit. No offense to the guy. Kelly's kind of in like . . . platinum. HD plays Zerg pretty well, mid Master level. | ||
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StarStruck
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On March 25 2011 00:40 ppshchik wrote: Note: For SKILL level I mean individual playing skills not commentating skills. Please don't start some "XXX is better than XXX" commentator fanboy wars / dick measuring contests... I know there are many up and coming SC2 commentators who upload vods etc but I usually find the ones who play best as the most credible ones since they have skills to back it up instead of being like an arm-chair general. IdrA was really good when he's substituting Tastosis during Blizzcon and even though he wasn't as eloquent as other casters his words+commentaries seem to weigh 1000x heavier due to his reputation and skill level. I realize Artosis is pretty good since he qualified for the 1st GSL. But I reckon Day9 should pretty good due to his analytical skills and winning WCG USA 2005 (thought it was a long time and I haven't seen Day9's SC2 replays besides the BETA showmatch). Or Psy? I saw him beating Piqliq before. Chill was really good in Broodwar but I haven't seen him upload SC2 tutorial videos Really want to look for more skilled casters. Plz name the strongest one... Commentators are getting more publicity than the actual players in the general section. Oh boy, Ok, let's get some things straight. Knowledge is a big factor. I see a lot of decent players testing their chops on the mike. They weren't stars by any stretch of the imagination, but hell they did a lot around the community. With that said, Chill wasn't really good at BW. He was okay, but for the guys who have been here a while. Most of us know him from moderating the old BW strategy forum. The guy is knowledgeable yes, but a far cry from being a really good BW player. He was well above average though. No clue about his SC2 skills though. I see him as an avid follower more than anything else. Artosis keeps saying how he was a professional BW player. He wasn't. In fact, if I were to use both my hands... I could barely give you a list of guys who either tried or made it on a pro gamer team for BW. The BW international scene was never big enough in the first place and other than Dan getting a job with estro and doing the sc4all and TSL bits. I cannot name any tournaments he's won. Sure, he was on sponsored teams like a lot of other players, but they are still labeled as amateurs. IdrA's done some commentary, sure. If we're talking about the most skill mechanically for an English caster. Yeah, ok. Day[9] hasn't really competed yet. Sean was a pretty good BW player. Hell in 2004, he was playing like a mad man or a zergling with adrenalin glands. Incontrol, he's always been a team player. I remember him back in his 88) days and when he was in control (no pun intended) of the USA B, or the USA War machine as he liked to call it. The guy knows how to lead and I remember one specific double elimination tournament where he got knocked out early and crawled all the way back to the loser bracket semi-final, or even loser bracket final (cannot remember, no one thought he would get that far but he proved everyone wrong because he had a lot of stiff competition). Either way, the guy used to have great micro in BW and was known for his fast hive/defiler tech. Reminds me a lot of Tsunami. Regardless he hasn't had a big break yet in SC2. Still waiting to see more consistency from him, but he has a lot on his plate at the moment. Come to think of it, he didn't have a lot of individual achievements in BW either. He represented USA in one WCG though. I think that was the highlight of his career in BW other than all the clan war leagues he's been in. Great guy for the community though and understands the basic principles as well as Day[9]. Then you'll see some guys like TLO or NonY (Tyler) making special appearances or what not to comment on some games at a LAN as well. I guess that is as close as you will get in terms of skill because they're busting their chops and their insight is invaluable atm. This is hard topic to comment on because so many guys are turning to casting. I mean I could say more about players like Gretrop, Sheth, etc. but in reality they're all pretty close in skill. I don't see much debate in this because I have yet to see a TOP player decide to turn it in and say hey, I think I'll cast more often. It really comes down to knowledge and experience. All the guys listed above share something in common. They have a shitload of experience regardless of their skill. In many cases, many of them have similar skill levels, they just bring something different to the table. | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
On March 25 2011 00:47 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: Define 'commentator'? a lot of pros have commentated on the side, TLO, IdrA, PainUser... And skill is not monodimensional, for instance, Day9 is not the best in a straight up match but his understanding of the game is very good, same for PsY, he really understands a lot of this game, more than most full time pros who just play by feeling it seems. Artosis and Tasteless on the other hand, though probably both better players than PsY have downright terrible understanding of the game ("No way he can save this nexus" -> saves nexus, "This is gg in any minute now." -> games goes on for 30 more minutes, "vikings are terrible on the ground" -> vikings land and obliterate everything) I always found it humorous when people diss Kelly for her lack of understanding, but Tastosis make so many bad calls each match. The guy I'd personally recomment for learning from is PsY though, just slightly better than Day[9] who often tries to sugar-coat and fills his hour up with trivial nonsense from time to time. I don't really think that's a fair claim to make. It's really difficult to make those calls and given the grand number of calls they have to make it would be damn hard for them to be right all the time. In addition, you're going to remember the bad calls they've made with priority over the good ones. In addition to that, it is sort of the commentators job to be decisive even when they aren't sure about something. Think of how annoying it would be if they kept saying things like "I'm pretty sure he's going to win this right here." Lastly, it seems to me like you're just looking for reasons to dislike them because landed vikings really ARE bad and if they obliterated some ground force it's because that ground force was not worth as much. Kelly was alright but she wasn't comparable as a commentator. She had a good understanding of the game though I'll give you that. Her understanding was nothing compared to tasteless and artosis. When Kelly casts a match she only talks about what's happening RIGHT then "the banelings are rolling into the marines but there might be just enough tanks" whereas tasteless and artosis talk about decisions that have long term effects "if he continues to attack across the map like this his attacks are going to have diminishing returns" Additionally, it sounds like you're comparing the knowledge of tasteless and artosis to kelly and saying she is comparable, and in context with this thread it sounds like you're saying kelly can compete with tasteless and artosis. She said on the stream once though that tasteless and artosis were much better than her. | ||
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zzdd
United States484 Posts
On March 25 2011 05:25 ixi.genocide wrote: He's getting his M.S in a design field. I don't remember exactly what his degree is but his math degree is from Harvey Mudd. I thought it was Interactive Media. | ||
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Noli
United Kingdom179 Posts
I'd say Day9 his understanding is just so so good but as mentioned I doubt he's playing enough to be the best but I think he could be easily if he puts the effort in. Tastosis is a bit IMBA so can't count. | ||
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absalom86
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