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On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious).
Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all.
I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites.
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On March 13 2011 10:48 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
is it me or everytime someone gets caught hacking they say they only hacked "sometimes" such gay shit
Ya cause there was like 20 games they played on their account before they got maphack duh
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On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious).
He's not asking for maphacks. He's asking for a history of hackers who were caught int the past.
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On March 13 2011 10:51 ftwpker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious). Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all. I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites.
Not exactly a history, but you can read some information about hackers getting caught in BW here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911
Even includes details of how TT1 was caught as being a hacker (although he has been clean ever since).
Another extremely interesting read (hacking - an analysis): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154717
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I think the reason behind Sorcery playing on iGware's account is that they both thought they could blame each other if they got caught. Sorcery thought that his main account would stay safe no matter what and he could also make up an excuse by saying "oh, but he tempted me and he was my friend so I couldn't turn him down". iGware thought he could excuse himself by saying "oh, but Sorcery was the one playing on my account. I'm not the one who actually cheated."
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Wasn't Sorcery that really good Canadian Chen player who was found maphacking then kicked off that one good North American DotA team? Or am I thinking of another player?
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On March 13 2011 10:57 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 10:51 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious). Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all. I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites. Not exactly a history, but you can read some information about hackers getting caught in BW here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911Even includes details of how TT1 was caught as being a hacker (although he has been clean ever since). Another extremely interesting read (hacking - an analysis): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154717
Thanks M8! I was trying to find TT1 on google but nothing starcraft related except a starcraft 2 player who i don't think is the one from broodwar...or is he?
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On March 13 2011 11:00 ftwpker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 10:57 Jimmeh wrote:On March 13 2011 10:51 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious). Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all. I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites. Not exactly a history, but you can read some information about hackers getting caught in BW here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911Even includes details of how TT1 was caught as being a hacker (although he has been clean ever since). Another extremely interesting read (hacking - an analysis): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154717 Thanks M8! I was trying to find TT1 on google but nothing starcraft related except a starcraft 2 player who i don't think is the one from broodwar...or is he?
Nope, it's the same one. he's since been forgiven by the community, as he was actually someone who contributed a lot, and has been clean ever since.
Even more famous players have been known hackers/cheaters in the past, two obvious ones I can think of:
haypro - caught using Oblivion hack whilst spectacting, admitted to it but said it was only for observing. Not too sure what happened in the end.
DIMAGA - cheated TSL to increase rank (gave himself two free wins I believe). Not hacking obviously, but not exactly the image that you expect of him when you think of him today.
There's a few more semi-pros I can think of who cheated in TSL (not hacking), such as Sarens and Pomi.
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On March 13 2011 11:07 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 11:00 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:57 Jimmeh wrote:On March 13 2011 10:51 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious). Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all. I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites. Not exactly a history, but you can read some information about hackers getting caught in BW here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911Even includes details of how TT1 was caught as being a hacker (although he has been clean ever since). Another extremely interesting read (hacking - an analysis): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154717 Thanks M8! I was trying to find TT1 on google but nothing starcraft related except a starcraft 2 player who i don't think is the one from broodwar...or is he? Nope, it's the same one. he's since been forgiven by the community, as he was actually someone who contributed a lot, and has been clean ever since. Even more famous players have been known hackers/cheaters in the past, two obvious ones I can think of: haypro - caught using Oblivion hack whilst spectacting, admitted to it but said it was only for observing. Not too sure what happened in the end. DIMAGA - cheated TSL to increase rank (gave himself two free wins I believe). Not hacking obviously, but not exactly the image that you expect of him when you think of him today. In fact, quite a few of the current SC2 pros who used to play BW cheated at some point, whether through actual hacking or by cheating to try and get into the TSL.
correct me if im wrong.. wasnt Testie was caught hacking many times back in the old old days. Like, the x17 days, before he joined Nal or ToT or MYM or any of those other teams..
(when he was DS-Testie)
since then, he was arguably the best North American SC player for years when he was in ToT and MYM, and now is one of the top players in HoN. So when I thnk of players rebounding from hacking, he is #1 in my mind, then TT1 and Haypro
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TT1 and haypro used to hack... wtf? Can someone elaborate on these cases...im rather curious, espcially considering both are embraced in todays SC2 community.
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On March 13 2011 11:15 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 11:07 Jimmeh wrote:On March 13 2011 11:00 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:57 Jimmeh wrote:On March 13 2011 10:51 ftwpker wrote:On March 13 2011 10:41 Phayze wrote:On March 13 2011 10:38 ftwpker wrote:
Can anyone give me history of hacking/cheating in Starcraft and Starcraft 2 or link me to a site with info?
Im just really curious on this kind of stuff and want to know the in and outs of the topic. You mean you want to download them and use them yourself... Google's not hard, takes anyone with a widget of computer knowledge 30 seconds to find them. People here dont like hackers, sure you might dominate your platinum division on the ladder until you are eventually caught (blizzard detected every single hack in wow that was put onto a public website, this aint a 10 year old game any more and they are quite serious). Yes, just because I'm curious about the HISTORY of hacking in starcraft, I'm automatically a future hacker who goes on the ladder to reach the top rank when I'm not increasing my skill at all. I only posted in here because i wanted to know about topic in the broodwar scene and how they were caught and any current sc2 hackers, but sadly google did not have any good sites. Not exactly a history, but you can read some information about hackers getting caught in BW here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911Even includes details of how TT1 was caught as being a hacker (although he has been clean ever since). Another extremely interesting read (hacking - an analysis): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154717 Thanks M8! I was trying to find TT1 on google but nothing starcraft related except a starcraft 2 player who i don't think is the one from broodwar...or is he? Nope, it's the same one. he's since been forgiven by the community, as he was actually someone who contributed a lot, and has been clean ever since. Even more famous players have been known hackers/cheaters in the past, two obvious ones I can think of: haypro - caught using Oblivion hack whilst spectacting, admitted to it but said it was only for observing. Not too sure what happened in the end. DIMAGA - cheated TSL to increase rank (gave himself two free wins I believe). Not hacking obviously, but not exactly the image that you expect of him when you think of him today. In fact, quite a few of the current SC2 pros who used to play BW cheated at some point, whether through actual hacking or by cheating to try and get into the TSL. correct me if im wrong.. wasnt Testie was caught hacking many times back in the old old days. Like, the x17 days, before he joined Nal or ToT or MYM or any of those other teams.. (when he was DS-Testie) since then, he was arguably the best North American SC player for years when he was in ToT and MYM, and now is one of the top players in HoN. So when I thnk of players rebounding from hacking, he is #1 in my mind, then TT1 and Haypro
Yup you're right. he was caught hacking, and I believe he confessed. Since then I don't believe he's hacked again.
I chose to not mention him since I don't believe he's been playing much (any?) SC2.
On March 13 2011 11:18 Peas wrote:
TT1 and haypro used to hack... wtf? Can someone elaborate on these cases...im rather curious, espcially considering both are embraced in todays SC2 community.
I linked a thread detailing TT1's previous hacking experience a few posts up (seriously, how lazy are you).
Regarding haypro, I'm honestly not too sure but from what I remember there was proof he was using the Oblivion hack (map hack, mineral hack, auto split, drop hack, MBS... can't think of what else it contained but, essentially, it was an all-in-one hack) whilst spectating a game. he admitted to it when confronted. If I remember correctly, his clan mates stuck up for him and insisted he never cheated whilst playing and, again if I remember correctly, people let it go.
EDIT:
Regarding haypro. From Liquipedia:
"# Was caught using Oblivion hack in the spring 2008. Claimed it was unintentional but was kicked out of the Swedish National team and ToT for a year before he got back into both. "
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Haha wow, what a thread this was.
It was cool to see contributions from Ret, HuK, Nazgul, Drewbie, CatZ, and PainUser. 
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Man Haypro and Dimaga...o.0!
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This thread is completely and utterly off topic.
I have no reason to keep this thread open at this point, my point was made crystal clear as soon as the hackers admitted to cheating.
I did my part, most you did yours, and eventually he came out of the closet and said he was hacking.
It's sad, immature and really pathetic. I can remember Sorcery praising iGware on my friend list broadcast trying to cover up this nonsense.
Thanks for reading this thread and getting this guy exposed, and you can be damn sure that if I run into another hacker I will def post on TL.net.
NOTE: It is extremely rare that I attack someone for hacking, this is the first person whom I was 100% was hacking.
This is my last post, GL and GGs.
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On March 13 2011 10:58 Weasel- wrote:
Wasn't Sorcery that really good Canadian Chen player who was found maphacking then kicked off that one good North American DotA team? Or am I thinking of another player?
Nah he wasnt that good.We (zG,KD) used to scrim and had clan matches with them a few times.Forgot their clan name tho
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On March 12 2011 11:56 Looky wrote:
why is blizzard so bad and creating anti hack. even iccup stopped most of it.
You cannot prevent cheating, simply put.
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Common hacking (map/prod/etc) isn't the biggest problem of SC2 in terms of cheating.
The Warden system doesn't check files for CRC. The same OGC-like model-modifying features are appearing (It's easy enough to find videos of them on most streaming websites).
Guy fires up his hack and SHAZAM the minimap lights up with the type of unit you're making.
The most ironic part of this whole mess being that most of the maphacks currently existing weren't even made from scratch and usual memory exploration but copied most of their routines from the galaxy editor. Blizz made it kind of... "too deep".
On March 13 2011 09:49 JBrown08 wrote:
It is possible because everything that you see in a replay is avalible on your computer while playing the game. It isn't server side, so that means all you have to do is hack your own computer to get the info. This is how all of these hacks work, and why the only thing blizzard can do is monitor the programs you use and ban you later (they can never stop the hacks if it is available on your computer they can only ban offenders and make the hackers create work arounds).
Something like that wouldn't be happening if Blizzard, instead of trying to perpetuate their already-failed-in-wow warden system, simply put random 3-way CRC/Hash checks during games.
I mean what the hell really... Cheating Death did it in freakin' FPS 10 years ago and it was player-created...
It's just sad 
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On March 13 2011 11:50 eveo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 11:56 Looky wrote:
why is blizzard so bad and creating anti hack. even iccup stopped most of it. You cannot prevent cheating, simply put.
hon can pretty much. not saying their system would work for other games cause i dont know that. but they did a awesome job to prevent cheating.
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On March 13 2011 11:57 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 11:50 eveo wrote:On March 12 2011 11:56 Looky wrote:
why is blizzard so bad and creating anti hack. even iccup stopped most of it. You cannot prevent cheating, simply put. hon can pretty much. not saying their system would work for other games cause i dont know that. but they did a awesome job to prevent cheating.
I know you said that you're not saying their system would work for other games, but I'd like to say that the way they do it would defintely never work for SC2.
heroes of Newerth does it by limiting what information the client receives until absolutely necessary. This is easy because, at most, you're tracking 10(?) individual heroes. Whereas, compared to SC2, you have, potentially, hundreds of units to keep track of. As a result, it's almost impossible to send limited data to the client without either huge amounts of prediction (which would be wasteful) or making the game almost unplayable because important information's being missed.
It'd work for FPS games and games similar to heroes of Newerth, but it'd never work for an RTS game.
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