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MeatyOwlLegs first player to 4000 points! - Page 8

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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
January 04 2011 20:13 GMT
#141
its not bonus pool abuse, its more like MMR / ELO or w\e it is abuse. For nani's first 100 games he probably won 48 pts every game and lost 1 point. Then once he hit 3k points or w/e and things balanced out he had lost 0 of his bonus pool to losses (If you have 2000 bonus pool and you never lose until it runs out you will have 4000 pts, but when you lose games it becomes impossible to hit 4000). Also being in a new division probably helped him to not be favored for a long time too T_T
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arnold(soTa)
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden352 Posts
January 04 2011 20:28 GMT
#142
ye nail in the coffin for the ladders importance
"I like turtles"
qxc
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States550 Posts
January 04 2011 20:31 GMT
#143
He only has
http://sc2ranks.com/masters/eu
like 3700 real points.

If you know how division tiers work you'll understand.
ProgamerDesigner of Aeon's End
Shinkugami
Profile Joined November 2010
England74 Posts
January 04 2011 20:33 GMT
#144
On January 05 2011 01:41 Fregate wrote:
He is 26-2 in the last 3 days, and he is the top MMR now, so he played only Top players.
I think that Ladder Matchmaking could have helped him in the first 70-80 matches or so, but then it's just a matter of pure skill.

This guy is insanely good


You realize 26-2 isn't realistic in the slightest even if you were to have ungodly luck ?

26-2 doesn't ring the "good" bell, it rings the "lame cheeser" bell.
Rock on !
Allscorpion
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom319 Posts
January 04 2011 20:34 GMT
#145
On January 05 2011 05:31 qxc wrote:
He only has
http://sc2ranks.com/masters/eu
like 3700 real points.

If you know how division tiers work you'll understand.


Only!!! ^_^
Day[9] Made me do it
LynxKerr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#146
On January 05 2011 05:33 Shinkugami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 01:41 Fregate wrote:
He is 26-2 in the last 3 days, and he is the top MMR now, so he played only Top players.
I think that Ladder Matchmaking could have helped him in the first 70-80 matches or so, but then it's just a matter of pure skill.

This guy is insanely good


You realize 26-2 isn't realistic in the slightest even if you were to have ungodly luck ?

26-2 doesn't ring the "good" bell, it rings the "lame cheeser" bell.



What a tool. The guy has been on fire lately and he's been demolishing pro's. I've seen him play BratOK, Morrow, and both game were 25 minute macro annihilations. Let me line up 28 pro's for you and let you cheese every time and I'll see how that works out for you.

Naniwa has just plain figured shit out lately. I don't care if he beats young children at the park, that's not for me to worry about. This is a forum about a video game, not morality and ethics. While he might need work on the second, he's as good as anyone at the first.

Put down the haterade.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'
Cripp
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany165 Posts
January 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#147
On January 05 2011 05:33 Shinkugami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 01:41 Fregate wrote:
He is 26-2 in the last 3 days, and he is the top MMR now, so he played only Top players.
I think that Ladder Matchmaking could have helped him in the first 70-80 matches or so, but then it's just a matter of pure skill.

This guy is insanely good


You realize 26-2 isn't realistic in the slightest even if you were to have ungodly luck ?

26-2 doesn't ring the "good" bell, it rings the "lame cheeser" bell.


Imagine he cheesed in 20 out of these 28 games. And imagine he lost 2 games in these 20 where he cheesed. Only 2 looses in 20 games with cheese against the elite of europe? Seems a bit unreal to me to only lose 2 games of 20.
BroboCop
Profile Joined December 2010
United States373 Posts
January 04 2011 20:39 GMT
#148
is it me, or is it ironic that "chickenlips" is all over them "meatyowllegs"?
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
January 04 2011 20:41 GMT
#149
On January 05 2011 05:39 Question132 wrote:
is it me, or is it ironic that "chickenlips" is all over them "meatyowllegs"?


^_^

I enjoy my nickname, thank you very much
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 20:43:36
January 04 2011 20:43 GMT
#150
I don't see how he continued to get so many points for wins at the top (even with bonus pool). Something weird going on with his MMR or Europe is just extremely inflated compared to NA or something :o imo you cannot play normally, win just 177 games and hit 4k points on NA (even with a bad division)
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
drag_
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England425 Posts
January 04 2011 20:45 GMT
#151
26-2 is totally fishy. BW progamers at their peaks of dominance struggle to maintain 70% win rates. There is definitely something fishy.
It's also hard to believe how a guy who struggles to place well in tournaments miraculously discovered how to destroy all the top EU players.
FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
January 04 2011 20:45 GMT
#152
Its a shame Nani's terrible manners mean he doesnt just lose quickly in the tournaments he enters, he is kicked out of them.

This ladder means nothing until he can get his shit together or show a decent performance in a tournament.

NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 04 2011 20:46 GMT
#153
On January 05 2011 05:34 Allscorpion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 05:31 qxc wrote:
He only has
http://sc2ranks.com/masters/eu
like 3700 real points.

If you know how division tiers work you'll understand.


Only!!! ^_^

well, qxc still has a point. it's really ignorant of people to celebrate milestones in displayed points when we know they aren't what really matter. people have put in hard work to figure out real points and how to constantly update and display real points and rankings on a web site. tl.net of all places should respect that and go about these things intelligently
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Cripp
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany165 Posts
January 04 2011 20:48 GMT
#154
Yeah don't know. All I know is he got in his last ~30 wins mostly 8-14 points, sometimes a bit more. But in about 120 games he got always over 30, that's for sure. But have to check his profile.
AkobeS
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden25 Posts
January 04 2011 20:48 GMT
#155
On January 05 2011 05:43 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I don't see how he continued to get so many points for wins at the top (even with bonus pool). Something weird going on with his MMR or Europe is just extremely inflated compared to NA or something :o imo you cannot play normally, win just 177 games and hit 4k points on NA (even with a bad division)


If you watch the Match History you'll see he didnt get that much point in the end, the last game was 21pts, against Socke, but the 10-15 games before that was all under 10 pts each.
he droon droon me win
holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 20:50:07
January 04 2011 20:49 GMT
#156
On January 05 2011 03:04 Krafty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 02:53 Numy wrote:
On January 05 2011 02:47 AkobeS wrote:
On January 05 2011 02:40 Krafty wrote:
http://sc2ranks.com/div/52745/division-marine-psi

garbage divison.

Edit: I'm assuming he kept doing placement matches in order to get in the worst possible division before starting to ladder. Quite pathetic actually.



What the fuck? Why would even write that? It makes no sense at all. Assuming something, then jump over to how pathetic that assumption is? Now thats really pathetic.


I agree his conclusion is rather bias but his actual findings aren't. There isn't a player yet at 4k points. Since points across divisions aren't the same the "masters" is the true reflection of how many points he has. He's good, he's number 1 but he's not at 4k points.


Yeah, sorry perhaps I was a little bit harsh. But it really bothers me that someone can get away with this and make it seem as if he earned 4000 points already.


Did you even read the thread that you keep posting? You realize he is still in first in points after the division modifier, correct? It's not like the people he is playing are worse because of his division. He is still playing the best players possible.

And to people complaining about bonus pool. He's still in first even if you subtract the pool from everyone. Stop being so stupid.
HypaSnipa
Profile Joined June 2010
64 Posts
January 04 2011 20:51 GMT
#157
I cant even understand the direction this thread has taken. He is 4000 points on the blizzard ladder. Thats all there is to it. Doesnt matter if another website says its 3700, doesnt matter if he cheesed some games and macroed others.

A wins a win and 70-80% wins is astonishing especially at the top of the EU ladder.
Grats to Naniwa, drop all the jealousy you freaks :o
AkobeS
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden25 Posts
January 04 2011 20:53 GMT
#158
On January 05 2011 05:51 HypaSnipa wrote:
I cant even understand the direction this thread has taken. He is 4000 points on the blizzard ladder. Thats all there is to it. Doesnt matter if another website says its 3700, doesnt matter if he cheesed some games and macroed others.

A wins a win and 70-80% wins is astonishing especially at the top of the EU ladder.
Grats to Naniwa, drop all the jealousy you freaks :o



Dont think i could have put it any better myself!
he droon droon me win
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-04 20:55:50
January 04 2011 20:54 GMT
#159
On January 05 2011 05:51 HypaSnipa wrote:
I cant even understand the direction this thread has taken. He is 4000 points on the blizzard ladder. Thats all there is to it. Doesnt matter if another website says its 3700, doesnt matter if he cheesed some games and macroed others.

A wins a win and 70-80% wins is astonishing especially at the top of the EU ladder.
Grats to Naniwa, drop all the jealousy you freaks :o


The point many of made is that he isn't 4000 points on the Blizzard ladder because points in different divisions are weighted differently. So yes it matters if a website says 3700 because that's the real points. It's unfair on everyone if you just take the points at face value because they just aren't comparable. If you want to celebrate something, at least have a fair medium of doing so.

I doubt anyone really thinks that Naniwa is bad, he's good he's no.1 on EU ladder but he is not first to break 4k points and if you want to celebrate anything celebrate him being good.
AkobeS
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden25 Posts
January 04 2011 20:58 GMT
#160
On January 05 2011 05:54 Numy wrote:
The point many of made is that he isn't 4000 points on the Blizzard ladder because points in different divisions are weighted differently. So yes it matters if a website says 3700 because that's the real points. It's unfair on everyone if you just take the points at face value because they just aren't comparable. If you want to celebrate something, at least have a fair medium of doing so.

I doubt anyone really thinks that Naniwa is bad, he's good he's no.1 on EU ladder but he is not first to break 4k points and if you want to celebrate anything celebrate him being good.



But thats not the only thing mentioned in this thread is it? There's no 8 pages of ppl bashing someone doing a great job laddering, even taking up diffrent "assumptions" on how he could have cheated and what not.
he droon droon me win
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