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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
(I'll always reply if people say it but there's just too much cheese at my level (if I'm not getting 6 raxed I'm getting 6 pooled) to wish any of those people good luck, he says while 'cheesing') As I say absolute silence. I walk into the guys natural and he just types out, "Foggot" and leaves. O isn't even close to A... | ||
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Rasp
Canada16 Posts
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necrOtix
81 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:26 Rasp wrote: This guy went FFE on Sharkuris and I decided to roach/ling all-in because I wanted a fast game. Why are there so many people in this thread who all in / cheese someone or provoke them to rage then post here? From a macro'ers point of view it is just as BM to all in like that than to ask a simple question as you leave the game. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:39 necrOtix wrote: Why are there so many people in this thread who all in / cheese someone or provoke them to rage then post here? From a macro'ers point of view it is just as BM to all in like that than to ask a simple question as you leave the game. If you ask a question before you leave a game you arnt actually looking for an answer, your being sarcastic, therefor its BM. Going all in early is not BM, at least not how I see it. | ||
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:39 necrOtix wrote: Why are there so many people in this thread who all in / cheese someone or provoke them to rage then post here? From a macro'ers point of view it is just as BM to all in like that than to ask a simple question as you leave the game. Silver player here. If your strat can't hold off an attack while you get to your 'peak' surely it's just a bad strat not the other players fault? | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:39 necrOtix wrote: Why are there so many people in this thread who all in / cheese someone or provoke them to rage then post here? From a macro'ers point of view it is just as BM to all in like that than to ask a simple question as you leave the game. If your opponent seizes an opportunity and just fucking kills you for being greedy, that shouldn't be considered BM. You ask to get an all-in when you do something like an FFE or 1 gate expand. You have to be prepared for these eventualities. You're a terrible macro player if you aren't. | ||
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sudo.era
United States300 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:39 necrOtix wrote: Why are there so many people in this thread who all in / cheese someone or provoke them to rage then post here? From a macro'ers point of view it is just as BM to all in like that than to ask a simple question as you leave the game. All-in isn't BM. Only people who don't understand how to defend an all-in say it is. | ||
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necrOtix
81 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:52 goiflin wrote: If your opponent seizes an opportunity and just fucking kills you for being greedy, that shouldn't be considered BM. You ask to get an all-in when you do something like an FFE or 1 gate expand. You have to be prepared for these eventualities. You're a terrible macro player if you aren't. The point is he provoked him. He even said his mindset from the start of the game was to cheese. I was just pointing out how if you provoke someone and they say a one liner before they leave then it probably doesn't warrent posting in the thread titled "awesome or confusing bm". Example, some of the pics in this thread where people message the guy after the game and he replies BM, then they post here. Kind of ridiculous. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:24 necrOtix wrote: The point is he provoked him. He even said his mindset from the start of the game was to cheese. I was just pointing out how if you provoke someone and they say a one liner before they leave then it probably doesn't warrent posting in the thread titled "awesome or confusing bm". Example, some of the pics in this thread where people message the guy after the game and he replies BM, then they post here. Kind of ridiculous. I totally agree with you about the people who provoke their opponent with annoying after game messages and then post their response, those people are fools. I just don't think that cheesing or going all in is ever bad mannered on its own. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On August 28 2011 10:26 Rasp wrote: This guy went FFE on Sharkuris and I decided to roach/ling all-in because I wanted a fast game. come on, that was neither awesome nor confusing. wasn't even particularly bad BM either. =( | ||
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necrOtix
81 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:31 PassiveAce wrote: I totally agree with you about the people who provoke their opponent with annoying after game messages and then post their response, those people are fools. I just don't think that cheesing or going all in is ever bad mannered on its own. Well, to each their own. My mindset is "improve, improve, improve" but when someone cheeses me and it auto counters my build (I realize to be a good macro player you have to be able to defend cheese, but no matter what you will lose sometimes) I get offended by their mindset and why it isn't like mine which is well.. to improve. If you copy paste a marine scv all in you obviously aren't trying to get better, but just get more ladder points (IMO) | ||
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FaiL_SaFe
United States104 Posts
There's the, I see you're being greedy so i'm gonna all-in or cheese you in response (Cannoning the nat of a zerg who goes hatch first in PvZ or 4-gating a Terran after you scout a 1-rax gasless expand on a small map come to mind). Then there's the blind, constant cheeser/all-inner. The kind of player who only 7RR's or 3-Gate/Voidray all-in's regardless of map or matchup. The first kind I can deal with. It's just taking advantage of your opponent (although I might be a bit less sanguine about it when I get caught being greedy tbh). As far as i'm concerned its the second group that can fuck off. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
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iMMortaL.797
United States94 Posts
iMMortaL (ME): GLHF As my CC flies into corner on Antiga: iMMortaL: FATAL ERROR: 404 iMMortaL: ERROR 90807: PLAYER 2 DISCONNECT. ...I surf the web... He sees my CC with OLs SUNTyphoon: fucking loser SUNTyphoon: motherfucking dipshit iMMortaL: ERROR 91687: DISCONNECT iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has left the game! TROLLOLOL. User was warned for this post | ||
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Megakenny
Canada829 Posts
On August 28 2011 13:28 iMMortaL.797 wrote: I did some funny trolling, the kill one SCV then load up ur 5 and fly off. It pretty much goes like this. iMMortaL (ME): GLHF As my CC flies into corner on Antiga: iMMortaL: FATAL ERROR: 404 iMMortaL: ERROR 90807: PLAYER 2 DISCONNECT. ...I surf the web... He sees my CC with OLs SUNTyphoon: fucking loser SUNTyphoon: motherfucking dipshit iMMortaL: ERROR 91687: DISCONNECT iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has left the game! TROLLOLOL. Not really funny... at all. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 28 2011 13:28 iMMortaL.797 wrote: I did some funny trolling, the kill one SCV then load up ur 5 and fly off. It pretty much goes like this. iMMortaL (ME): GLHF As my CC flies into corner on Antiga: iMMortaL: FATAL ERROR: 404 iMMortaL: ERROR 90807: PLAYER 2 DISCONNECT. ...I surf the web... He sees my CC with OLs SUNTyphoon: fucking loser SUNTyphoon: motherfucking dipshit iMMortaL: ERROR 91687: DISCONNECT iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has paused the game. SUNTyphoon has resumed the game. iMMortaL has left the game! TROLLOLOL. Read the red text in the OP please. | ||
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:39 necrOtix wrote: Well, to each their own. My mindset is "improve, improve, improve" but when someone cheeses me and it auto counters my build (I realize to be a good macro player you have to be able to defend cheese, but no matter what you will lose sometimes) I get offended by their mindset and why it isn't like mine which is well.. to improve. If you copy paste a marine scv all in you obviously aren't trying to get better, but just get more ladder points (IMO) Just because a particular build isnt 100% original doesnt make it useless to know, and it seems silly to think that the sole purpose of an all-in is to provoke anger. Why would you assume your opponent isnt trying to improve simply because he did a build you don't like? He just handed you an opportunity to improve, why are you upset about it? | ||
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Beren
United States514 Posts
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On August 28 2011 11:24 necrOtix wrote: The point is he provoked him. He even said his mindset from the start of the game was to cheese. I was just pointing out how if you provoke someone and they say a one liner before they leave then it probably doesn't warrent posting in the thread titled "awesome or confusing bm". Example, some of the pics in this thread where people message the guy after the game and he replies BM, then they post here. Kind of ridiculous. He never said that it was his plan from the getgo. He said that his opponent FFE'd, AND he decided to go all in. That could mean after he saw the FFE. And no, it's not the same as provoking. Just because there's some nerds out there who get ridiculously mad about cheese doesn't mean that you're some combatex if you perform it. If you just GL HF and GG at the end, and never say anything inbetween, then that's fine. Cheese is a legitimate way to play against people who can't stop it, like 99% of self titled "Macro" players on the ladder. On August 28 2011 11:39 necrOtix wrote: Well, to each their own. My mindset is "improve, improve, improve" but when someone cheeses me and it auto counters my build (I realize to be a good macro player you have to be able to defend cheese, but no matter what you will lose sometimes) I get offended by their mindset and why it isn't like mine which is well.. to improve. If you copy paste a marine scv all in you obviously aren't trying to get better, but just get more ladder points (IMO) If your build has auto-counters, and he didn't blind counter your build, that means your build or your execution needs improvement or reconsideration. Sorry. If your opponent can scout your build at a decent time, and change his tech path to automatically win 100% of games against that build, that means it's too greedy. You are relying on your opponent playing by some unsung contract, where you both sit in your bases and do nothing about eachothers mistakes, which is both naive and stupid, considering that this is a competitive game. You do what you have to, in order to win. And not everyone wants to get better. Some people play for fun. Even thought I'm the type who wants to constantly improve, I recognize this, and I'm not going to get mad if I do something greedy like FFE and I get ling/roach all-in'd. I was asking for it. And improving as a player does mean learning how to all-in, and how to recognize situations in which an all-in will give you a 90% win rate. If you get mad over it, don't justify it. You shouldn't be getting mad at other people, unless they're hacking. You should blame yourself, since you left that huge window open for him to climb into. | ||
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