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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 30 2010 04:06 GMT
#61
On December 30 2010 10:40 chipmunkrage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2010 08:40 darmousseh wrote:
There are a lot of terrible analogies in this thread. A video game is a form of media and entertainment similar to a movie or book. When you purchase a movie you agree to the terms to not broadcast it with permission and to use it only for personal use. Similar for books. Basically when you buy starcraft (1 or 2) you agree that you will only use it for certain means. Some uses are specifically not allowed such as broadcasting or relicensing. Blizzard didn't have much of a case before 2007. Before 2007, it can be said that kespa was using the game in a fair use manner. Blizzard probably wanted for them to get permission to broadcast, but didn't care too much since it was so popular. Then kespa began relicensing the game and selling it to broadcasting companies. Now blizzard has a real case that they've been trying to negotiate for 3 years. The moment kespa began profiting from their work without their permission is when they started caring. If kespa never charged for broadcasting or licensing, I really doubt we are in the same spot we are today.




I don't know which side I agree with, but even the book/movie analogies aren't perfect... One could argue Starcraft is more like Adobe Photoshop, windows 7, or any other software that allows for the creation of works. Starcraft produces replays...

Books and movies don't "produce" additional works.


The thing is, if you were to use said book's name or whatever to generate profit, then you'd have to pay rights to the owner to do so, it is a different thing altogether. I'm not making a moral statement whether I believe it is right or wrong for Blizzard to do this, since that'd be my opinion and it makes no sense to discuss in those terms since it's rather pointless, what I'm saying is that as far as I understand the regulations and laws behind this whole ordeal, Blizzard is on its right to demand payment for having its IP used to generate profit by a third party (Please excuse me if I use some terms in a somewhat wrong manner, I'm not a law student or anything).
Ursad0n
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States523 Posts
December 30 2010 04:49 GMT
#62
How is what kespa is doing any different from what ICCup did?
You make it sound like there's a correlation between what should happen and what actually happens. I mean, life is chaotic and it's often unfair. I know it is for me.
charlesatan
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines75 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-30 06:45:38
December 30 2010 05:20 GMT
#63
I don't know why this thread got Necro'd but just want to remind everyone not to turn this into a KeSPA vs. Blizzard hate thread (there's some circular arguments going around).

Re: complaints on the hamburger analogy, I'd just like to point out that analogy is representing Blizzard's side. The next paragraph explains KeSPA's side. Why are they 2 different analogies (instead of being 2 different hamburger analogies)? Because each one's paradigm is that different. The analogies are there to give a better perspective of how each side sees itself. (Just look at the posts trying to subvert the hamburger analogy to be pro-KeSPA for example.)

On December 30 2010 06:56 Omnipresent wrote:
A few others have mentioned this, but it's a fairly important distinction to make. Any legal decisions made in this case carry precedent solely in S. Korea. We still lack a decent regime for IP arbitration across international borders. This sort of case, in which a company in one country profits from a product developed in another country, is going to be common place in the next few decades. I think we'll see a lot more complicated licensing agreements built into ToS contracts (like with SC2), since contract agreements are sacrosanct across virtually all borders. Whatever the outcome, this conflict will/has produced some interesting questions in international law.


Agreed.

On December 30 2010 13:49 Ursad0n wrote:
How is what kespa is doing any different from what ICCup did?


You need to elaborate. ICCup has many projects (ICCup server, competitions, etc.).

But if I were to guess at what you were driving at, it'd be the profit angle. ICCup isn't selling broadcast rights to any of Blizzard's properties.

bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 30 2010 05:45 GMT
#64
great write up on the situation so thanks.. i like the use of analogies.. Demonization of the parties involved is pretty ridiculous - people come to conclusions without really understanding the entire situation - so thanks for adding a little perspective to this situation..
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