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Right so first off this isn't *really* a whine thread, and I'm hoping I've placed it in the right forum.. I'm genuinely interested in as to wtf is going on with me and my mates 2v2 matchups..
So I've been playing the game for 3-4 months now, together with my RL mate who I've been 2v2ing with since we first started. With no SC1 experience we were understandably placed in Bronze after our placements, but after learning the basics of the game, getting much better at 1v1 and our races we started to beat most Bronze players we were placed against, then Silvers, then Golds..
After a few weeks of being annoyed that we weren't being promoted we finally were, to Silver, and we've been there for the past 2ish months. And herein lies my confusion..
Now we are 3rd in our Division and are constantly being placed against Gold/Plat/Diamond matchups and have still not being promoted.. Now while I can understand that promotion is really due to the 'hidden rating' system that Blizzard won't let us see, but in my eyes there seems to be a huge problem with who we are being matched against..
For example: we just lost 4 games in a row.. We lost due to stupid mistakes and I'm not whining about the fact that we did lose, Im just confused as to why, after 3 losses, the last loss being against a Silver Partnership (a team, not random) we are then placed against a Diamond 1st Place Partnership (again a team, not random and 1st of their division).. Why would BattleNet place us against a Diamond 1st place team, who are obviously far far superior compared to us, after we just LOST to a Silver team?
I do appreciate that the game is naturally geared towards 1v1s and it may be that, because of this, the 2v2 system can often get muddled, but this seems like such an extreme case that I wanted to post it on the forums..
So yeah give me some constructive criticism/bm me or whatever, I just wanted to know if anyone else has found this and if there are any answers..
reQ~
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i dont know wut to tell u. the system does try to match u with people ur level but it will often give u opponents who are either better or worse to test u and see if thats where u belong.
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I've experienced this too, the 2v2 ladder seems to provide more variance as to who you play against. I play with my real life friend as well, we are top of our Gold division. We've played the entire spread of players, from top Diamond to low level Bronze players, and its just confusing as to why we are playing such a variety of players. Part of it is probably the whole idea that Blizz wants to keep your record as close to 50% as possible, but if you were on a losing streak, lose to a Silver team, then get paired with a top level Diamond, I don't know. Maybe they hadn't won in like 15 games or something?
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On November 29 2010 02:02 Eminent Rising wrote:
i dont know wut to tell u. the system does try to match u with people ur level but it will often give u opponents who are either better or worse to test u and see if thats where u belong.
Hmm well I appreciate that but I also know that we definitely dont belong in 1st place Diamond (not just yet at least  ), especially when BattleNet just witnessed us losing to Silvers..
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this is even worse random, i always get diamond players against me while I get silver players with me. (I'm Platinum)
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I've noticed some strangeness with the 2v2 ladder too. After a good run my 2v2 partner and i had a break of a few days and came back later and then had a bad day, we played approx 11 games and i think we were 5 wins 6 losses (or maybe it was 6 wins 5 losses not 100%) so more or less 50/50 then got demoted from gold (rank 5 i think) to silver rank 1. It seemed really weird to me. Admittedly we were not playing great that day and did loose to some lower ranked teams and perhaps did deserve to be in silver on that performance. It just seemed really weird to me and quite sudden as if anything we had been climbing in our gold division on previous occasions then to get demoted.
It also seems really stupid to me to demote someone to rank 1 of the division below. Isn't that like saying here join this league where you are better than 99% of the players?
Its not a big deal if we go back to playing better we'll get promoted again, i just thought it was strange.
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On November 29 2010 02:07 Cush wrote:
this is even worse random, i always get diamond players against me while I get silver players with me. (I'm Platinum)
Yeah I gave up on Random 2v2 a long time ago :p
Ofcourse I only play SC2 to have fun, and me and my rl mate do have alot of fun when playing our 2v2s, but obviously being rewarded by being promoted is something that we would like to happen. I certainly dont think we should be in Diamond, or even Plat really, but getting into Gold seems pretty impossible atm if we go straight from winning against most Silver/Gold teams (apart from that one earlier!) and then suddenly being placed against Diamond teams who we obviously will lose to.
To me it seems like Bnet is saying "Right so they just beat that Silver team, they're good at Silver, lets see how they fair against a Diamond team.... No they lost, lets keep them in Silver then"..
Guess we gotta keep grinding that ladder
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You get matched against teams based on your hidden matchmaking rating compared to the other teams hidden matchmaking rating. The silver team could actually be on a winning streak and be matched against platinum teams, and the diamond team could've been on a loosing streak. Looking at someone's league alone without checking the level of teams they've faced in their recent match history will give you no worthwhile information at all.
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We've now lost 6 games in a row, and the last four being Diamond/Plat 2v2 Partnerships..
Usually after a couple of losses to Plats we would be playing Golds/Silvers again, I dont know if bnet is screwed up atm because we arent even getting the 'Slightly Favoured/Teams Even' on the match loading screens..
Im raging :p
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Canada11471 Posts
Perhaps there is just not that many people playing 2v2 at some of the times you are playing hence the wide fluctuation in opponents. The system finds you a game in the end if not incredibly even.
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Don't think of them as silver/diamond teams. The matchmaking system does not, so why should you? It's all about the hidden MMR, which can, presumably, vary quite a bit from your league placement.
I suppose the reason you are not promoted yet is that your MMR has not stabilized.
The reason you were pitted against a strong diamond team after losing against a silver team is that their MMRs are presumably close. Either the diamond team is in too high a league or the silver team is too low.
You are not the only ones who are placed wrong, you know.
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On November 29 2010 04:25 TheBB wrote:
Don't think of them as silver/diamond teams. The matchmaking system does not, so why should you? It's all about the hidden MMR, which can, presumably, vary quite a bit from your league placement.
I suppose the reason you are not promoted yet is that your MMR has not stabilized.
The reason you were pitted against a strong diamond team after losing against a silver team is that their MMRs are presumably close. Either the diamond team is in too high a league or the silver team is too low.
I know that MMR is far more important in matchmaking than league placement is but there is a HUGE difference between a mid-level Silver team and a 1st place Diamond team is there not?
Also we did some research and all of the high 2v2 teams we've placed against have recently won more battles than lost..
You are not the only ones who are placed wrong, you know
I dont think I ever mentioned that we were the only people with this problem, infact I stated in my first post that I wanted to know if others had the same problem. Dont start the bm this early !
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On November 29 2010 04:52 reQ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 04:25 TheBB wrote:
Don't think of them as silver/diamond teams. The matchmaking system does not, so why should you? It's all about the hidden MMR, which can, presumably, vary quite a bit from your league placement.
I suppose the reason you are not promoted yet is that your MMR has not stabilized.
The reason you were pitted against a strong diamond team after losing against a silver team is that their MMRs are presumably close. Either the diamond team is in too high a league or the silver team is too low. I know that MMR is far more important in matchmaking than league placement is but there is a HUGE difference between a mid-level Silver team and a 1st place Diamond team is there not?
You can't tell without knowing the MMR.
I dont think I ever mentioned that we were the only people with this problem, infact I stated in my first post that I wanted to know if others had the same problem. Dont start the bm this early !
I'm not BM'ing. Just saying that you claim you are in the wrong league, but your arguments for saying that the matchmaking system is confused assumes that all your opponents are in their right leagues. However, they can be wrongly placed too, so this doesn't really amount to much.
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I know that MMR is far more important in matchmaking than league placement is but there is a HUGE difference between a mid-level Silver team and a 1st place Diamond team is there not?
There might not be at all. In 1v1 I played my placement games instantly and got placed into bronze. I practiced with some friends before continuing and got to low diamond skill level. Before I got out of bronze I was being matched against 2000 rated diamond players. League really is meaningless.
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I wrote an essay before I realized this is all I have to say:
Do you really want a game where you play people of EXACT skill level?
The only way to get better is to play better people. If you keep beating better people, Blizzard will (should) reconize that.
If anything, you should welcome being paired against #1 ranked in division. I get excited when I see "slightly favored or favored" under my opponent's name. Because you know what...I get 40 pts (with bonus) when I win and only lose 5 points and the games are usually better.
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