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Macavity
Profile Joined July 2010
United States83 Posts
November 19 2010 12:43 GMT
#121
On November 18 2010 15:16 AyJay wrote:
Lol Macavity's post is one of those who just post to disagree/have argument/start flamewar.


Not at all. Keep in mind that I'm actually trying to have a discussion while other people are trying to stop discussion on this subject.

Once again, I will explain my concern. Entertainment industries tend to heavily leverage the talent, and untalented outsiders act as a parasite on the revenue stream. The talent doesn't realize this because they are often young and focused intently on their craft. They don't realize how heavily leveraged they are. Kids signing 'bad contracts' and all just proves this point.

All Rekrul has done is talked about the SC 2 Association's "good intentions". Only a fool would accept any organization based on their 'intentions'. So I want some more substantial questions answered such as, "How much of the SC 2 revenue pie will the SC 2 Association get?" It's very possible Rekrul and other people do not have this information yet. But answers such as that are paramount in understanding what exactly is going on.

And that is all I want to do is find out what is going on.

On November 18 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote:
My post is a general overview in order to put things somewhat in perspective for the people who don't have the common sense and/or knowledge of e-sports to understand.


You painted the issue as 'SC 2 Association' or 'slavery' which is laughable. We didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your OP was disjointed because of lack of sleep or something else. On this message forum (like any other message forum), these things tend to happen. If someone is telling me that the SC 2 Association is awesome, I'd like there to be presented facts backing it up. If this SC 2 Association isn't "awesome", then we have a problem.

You and Macavity's posts are merely taking random points that strung my original post together out of context and trying to argue them on a plane that has nothing to do with any of the issues at hand in the first place.


My posts are framed around questions. In the last post, I nicely asked four simple questions.

No one is taking you out of context. I'm quoting you verbatim. It is strange that you are so defensive.

If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago.


Or perhaps you are unable to. Or unwilling.

Again, why make a thread about the SC 2 Association if you don't wish to participate in it? It makes no sense to make a thread about the SC 2 Association and then not answer any questions about it. Instead, your replies have been condescending. To sum up your two follow-up posts...

"LOL"

and

"If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago."

Give me a break.

If you are going to make a post telling people what to think, you need to back it up with substance!
Almeisan
Profile Joined November 2010
50 Posts
November 19 2010 12:50 GMT
#122
Can't you go a bit easier on Rekrul? He is a forum veteran and has always contributed a lot by giving us all a good laugh. Also, he is a poker hero, they say. His post wasn't intended to be complete and correct.



SoftSoap
Profile Joined November 2010
United States170 Posts
November 19 2010 15:19 GMT
#123
Thanks for the clarification.
Tasteless, "IdrA always pulls out on time."
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 19 2010 17:43 GMT
#124
On November 19 2010 21:43 Macavity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 15:16 AyJay wrote:
Lol Macavity's post is one of those who just post to disagree/have argument/start flamewar.


Not at all. Keep in mind that I'm actually trying to have a discussion while other people are trying to stop discussion on this subject.

Once again, I will explain my concern. Entertainment industries tend to heavily leverage the talent, and untalented outsiders act as a parasite on the revenue stream. The talent doesn't realize this because they are often young and focused intently on their craft. They don't realize how heavily leveraged they are. Kids signing 'bad contracts' and all just proves this point.

All Rekrul has done is talked about the SC 2 Association's "good intentions". Only a fool would accept any organization based on their 'intentions'. So I want some more substantial questions answered such as, "How much of the SC 2 revenue pie will the SC 2 Association get?" It's very possible Rekrul and other people do not have this information yet. But answers such as that are paramount in understanding what exactly is going on.

And that is all I want to do is find out what is going on.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote:
My post is a general overview in order to put things somewhat in perspective for the people who don't have the common sense and/or knowledge of e-sports to understand.


You painted the issue as 'SC 2 Association' or 'slavery' which is laughable. We didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your OP was disjointed because of lack of sleep or something else. On this message forum (like any other message forum), these things tend to happen. If someone is telling me that the SC 2 Association is awesome, I'd like there to be presented facts backing it up. If this SC 2 Association isn't "awesome", then we have a problem.

Show nested quote +
You and Macavity's posts are merely taking random points that strung my original post together out of context and trying to argue them on a plane that has nothing to do with any of the issues at hand in the first place.


My posts are framed around questions. In the last post, I nicely asked four simple questions.

No one is taking you out of context. I'm quoting you verbatim. It is strange that you are so defensive.

Show nested quote +
If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago.


Or perhaps you are unable to. Or unwilling.

Again, why make a thread about the SC 2 Association if you don't wish to participate in it? It makes no sense to make a thread about the SC 2 Association and then not answer any questions about it. Instead, your replies have been condescending. To sum up your two follow-up posts...

"LOL"

and

"If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago."

Give me a break.

If you are going to make a post telling people what to think, you need to back it up with substance!


It is merely a group of key users among SC2 progamers/teams that will have meetings and discuss issues at hand to make sure no player is being abused like they kinda were in SC1. Of course the 'association' isn't going to take $. No clue why you are assuming and asking all these retarded questions.
why so 진지해?
Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
November 19 2010 21:07 GMT
#125
On November 20 2010 02:43 Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 21:43 Macavity wrote:
On November 18 2010 15:16 AyJay wrote:
Lol Macavity's post is one of those who just post to disagree/have argument/start flamewar.


Not at all. Keep in mind that I'm actually trying to have a discussion while other people are trying to stop discussion on this subject.

Once again, I will explain my concern. Entertainment industries tend to heavily leverage the talent, and untalented outsiders act as a parasite on the revenue stream. The talent doesn't realize this because they are often young and focused intently on their craft. They don't realize how heavily leveraged they are. Kids signing 'bad contracts' and all just proves this point.

All Rekrul has done is talked about the SC 2 Association's "good intentions". Only a fool would accept any organization based on their 'intentions'. So I want some more substantial questions answered such as, "How much of the SC 2 revenue pie will the SC 2 Association get?" It's very possible Rekrul and other people do not have this information yet. But answers such as that are paramount in understanding what exactly is going on.

And that is all I want to do is find out what is going on.

On November 18 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote:
My post is a general overview in order to put things somewhat in perspective for the people who don't have the common sense and/or knowledge of e-sports to understand.


You painted the issue as 'SC 2 Association' or 'slavery' which is laughable. We didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your OP was disjointed because of lack of sleep or something else. On this message forum (like any other message forum), these things tend to happen. If someone is telling me that the SC 2 Association is awesome, I'd like there to be presented facts backing it up. If this SC 2 Association isn't "awesome", then we have a problem.

You and Macavity's posts are merely taking random points that strung my original post together out of context and trying to argue them on a plane that has nothing to do with any of the issues at hand in the first place.


My posts are framed around questions. In the last post, I nicely asked four simple questions.

No one is taking you out of context. I'm quoting you verbatim. It is strange that you are so defensive.

If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago.


Or perhaps you are unable to. Or unwilling.

Again, why make a thread about the SC 2 Association if you don't wish to participate in it? It makes no sense to make a thread about the SC 2 Association and then not answer any questions about it. Instead, your replies have been condescending. To sum up your two follow-up posts...

"LOL"

and

"If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago."

Give me a break.

If you are going to make a post telling people what to think, you need to back it up with substance!


It is merely a group of key users among SC2 progamers/teams that will have meetings and discuss issues at hand to make sure no player is being abused like they kinda were in SC1. Of course the 'association' isn't going to take $. No clue why you are assuming and asking all these retarded questions.

Awesome summary. I definitely approve of this type of thing.

One of the things that I love about SC2 is that the community is just so close knit. I feel like there are more international bonds and stuff being made here than there ever was in BW or in other games. I feel like I'm a part of some movement. That sounds corny, but I still feel that it's true.
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
WarSong
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada126 Posts
November 19 2010 21:42 GMT
#126
On November 19 2010 21:43 Macavity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 15:16 AyJay wrote:
Lol Macavity's post is one of those who just post to disagree/have argument/start flamewar.


Not at all. Keep in mind that I'm actually trying to have a discussion while other people are trying to stop discussion on this subject.

Once again, I will explain my concern. Entertainment industries tend to heavily leverage the talent, and untalented outsiders act as a parasite on the revenue stream. The talent doesn't realize this because they are often young and focused intently on their craft. They don't realize how heavily leveraged they are. Kids signing 'bad contracts' and all just proves this point.

All Rekrul has done is talked about the SC 2 Association's "good intentions". Only a fool would accept any organization based on their 'intentions'. So I want some more substantial questions answered such as, "How much of the SC 2 revenue pie will the SC 2 Association get?" It's very possible Rekrul and other people do not have this information yet. But answers such as that are paramount in understanding what exactly is going on.

And that is all I want to do is find out what is going on.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote:
My post is a general overview in order to put things somewhat in perspective for the people who don't have the common sense and/or knowledge of e-sports to understand.


You painted the issue as 'SC 2 Association' or 'slavery' which is laughable. We didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your OP was disjointed because of lack of sleep or something else. On this message forum (like any other message forum), these things tend to happen. If someone is telling me that the SC 2 Association is awesome, I'd like there to be presented facts backing it up. If this SC 2 Association isn't "awesome", then we have a problem.

Show nested quote +
You and Macavity's posts are merely taking random points that strung my original post together out of context and trying to argue them on a plane that has nothing to do with any of the issues at hand in the first place.


My posts are framed around questions. In the last post, I nicely asked four simple questions.

No one is taking you out of context. I'm quoting you verbatim. It is strange that you are so defensive.

Show nested quote +
If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago.


Or perhaps you are unable to. Or unwilling.

Again, why make a thread about the SC 2 Association if you don't wish to participate in it? It makes no sense to make a thread about the SC 2 Association and then not answer any questions about it. Instead, your replies have been condescending. To sum up your two follow-up posts...

"LOL"

and

"If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago."

Give me a break.

If you are going to make a post telling people what to think, you need to back it up with substance!


man, is it ever frustrating to attempt laying out your questions in a clear and concise format, in order to foster intelligent *discussion*, and then have people just plug their ears and yell over you. post secondary education really makes me appreciate thought out arguments. too bad intelligence is a faculty shared by the minority.
Til water is gone, til shade is gone: into the Blight with teeth bared, to spit in Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.
Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
November 19 2010 22:13 GMT
#127
On November 20 2010 06:42 WarSong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2010 21:43 Macavity wrote:
On November 18 2010 15:16 AyJay wrote:
Lol Macavity's post is one of those who just post to disagree/have argument/start flamewar.


Not at all. Keep in mind that I'm actually trying to have a discussion while other people are trying to stop discussion on this subject.

Once again, I will explain my concern. Entertainment industries tend to heavily leverage the talent, and untalented outsiders act as a parasite on the revenue stream. The talent doesn't realize this because they are often young and focused intently on their craft. They don't realize how heavily leveraged they are. Kids signing 'bad contracts' and all just proves this point.

All Rekrul has done is talked about the SC 2 Association's "good intentions". Only a fool would accept any organization based on their 'intentions'. So I want some more substantial questions answered such as, "How much of the SC 2 revenue pie will the SC 2 Association get?" It's very possible Rekrul and other people do not have this information yet. But answers such as that are paramount in understanding what exactly is going on.

And that is all I want to do is find out what is going on.

On November 18 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote:
My post is a general overview in order to put things somewhat in perspective for the people who don't have the common sense and/or knowledge of e-sports to understand.


You painted the issue as 'SC 2 Association' or 'slavery' which is laughable. We didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your OP was disjointed because of lack of sleep or something else. On this message forum (like any other message forum), these things tend to happen. If someone is telling me that the SC 2 Association is awesome, I'd like there to be presented facts backing it up. If this SC 2 Association isn't "awesome", then we have a problem.

You and Macavity's posts are merely taking random points that strung my original post together out of context and trying to argue them on a plane that has nothing to do with any of the issues at hand in the first place.


My posts are framed around questions. In the last post, I nicely asked four simple questions.

No one is taking you out of context. I'm quoting you verbatim. It is strange that you are so defensive.

If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago.


Or perhaps you are unable to. Or unwilling.

Again, why make a thread about the SC 2 Association if you don't wish to participate in it? It makes no sense to make a thread about the SC 2 Association and then not answer any questions about it. Instead, your replies have been condescending. To sum up your two follow-up posts...

"LOL"

and

"If I felt like making a comprehensive post about e-sports and it's business side I would have done it long ago."

Give me a break.

If you are going to make a post telling people what to think, you need to back it up with substance!


man, is it ever frustrating to attempt laying out your questions in a clear and concise format, in order to foster intelligent *discussion*, and then have people just plug their ears and yell over you. post secondary education really makes me appreciate thought out arguments. too bad intelligence is a faculty shared by the minority.

Hah, imagine how I felt in my rhetoric class today while peer editing paper drafts. It was horrible. So much for post secondary. XD
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 22:24:06
November 19 2010 22:19 GMT
#128
There needs to be a link that goes directly to the history, in order, of all topics started by Rekrul. It would help out TL.

Great read rekrul, thanks again for the post.

PS: To new members of TL trying to bash rekrul, believe it or not (doesn't matter if you don't), rekrul has more information on this stuff than ANY of you guys EVER will.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 20 2010 10:59 GMT
#129
but what we really want to know is if we will see ret or huk in an sc2 style proleague which we can bet on
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