a week ago or so i created my own Youtube Channel and as you probably know i am from germany and do most of the Interviews in german only if i have a foreign player or interviewpartner i do a english interview but i decided to subtitle all the interviews i do in german and i guess some of them could be intresting for you.
The first videos are mostly in german and not subtitled but i created a new playlist with the subtitled interviews and i ll have alot of them and also english interviews.
This one is my first subtitled one and i hope you like it. It s a nice girl who comes from germany and plays alot of starcraft II and also tries to qualifier for Germanys Next Top Model plus went second in a german championship with BMX cycling.
Have fun with that and i will have some more subtitled for you pretty soon.
BTW dont miss to watch the show on saturday and sunday with demuslim and rotterdam who will visit me and cast / play the cyborg cup and GO4SC2 Cup 47 with me.
Wow, an actual cute girl. Usually people make a big deal because a girl made it out of Gold league, we get excited, and she ends up being fugly as hell.
That said, I'm so split about this. More girls in gaming = more mainstream acceptance of esports, and, well... girls in gaming! Alright!
But then... more girls means I might actually lose to one.
Very good interview. I thought this was gonna be a complement / drool fest but you asked some engaging questions and got some good information. Well done!
And btw, great background. Those buildings are legit. <3 germany.
Wow, an actual cute girl. Usually people make a big deal because a girl made it out of Gold league, we get excited, and she ends up being fugly as hell.
I'll bet 95% of males out of Gold league are "fugly as hell" to females, what does it matter what they look like?
So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Well judging from history, the best female BW progamer (Tossgirl) failed miserably to even compete with the men. So maybe that's why they have different leagues. If you're a girl, and you can't beat Tossgirl, and if Tossgirl has only won like twice against pro gamer guys in the history of Korean BW, then all we'd see is a massacre.
On October 15 2010 07:48 No_Roo wrote: So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
As one, I can tell you that a female league would make girls feel more comfortable playing, knowing there's community support around what they do. It's not physical differences, just being able to play in a comfortable environment with people like yourself.
None of this HURR HURR TITS OR GTFO OMG BET UR FUGLY ROFLROFLROFL junk.
Also, it's good PR for females who may be interested in playing but are scared off by forum-posters and BM, you know?
Anyway, I think an international female team would be boss.
So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Well judging from history, the best female BW progamer (Tossgirl) failed miserably to even compete with the men. So maybe that's why they have different leagues. If you're a girl, and you can't beat Tossgirl, and if Tossgirl has only won like twice against pro gamer guys in the history of Korean BW, then all we'd see is a massacre.
did tossgirl ever practice as hard as the other progamers tho? (hours a day schedule) i dont think so
On October 15 2010 07:55 MidKnight wrote: Hah, topic's name makes it sound like the 8th wonder of the world
so this girl, who is still in school, plays starcraft tournaments, participates in bmx tournaments, and is going on germany's next top model? If she was a fictional character, she would be the definition of a mary sue.
I get she being hot and everything, but I do not understand the significance of why she is being interviewed? like if she wasn't hot, why would he be interviewing her?
So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Well judging from history, the best female BW progamer (Tossgirl) failed miserably to even compete with the men. So maybe that's why they have different leagues. If you're a girl, and you can't beat Tossgirl, and if Tossgirl has only won like twice against pro gamer guys in the history of Korean BW, then all we'd see is a massacre.
did tossgirl ever practice as hard as the other progamers tho? (hours a day schedule) i dont think so
Most sources said she played 12 hours a day like all the others. She said it in a few interviews as well. May or may not be true of course.
did tossgirl ever practice as hard as the other progamers tho? (hours a day schedule) i dont think so
I was going to mention that in my post too but decided not to. Yeah, it's true females probably spend more time on their social lives too than progamer guys or whatever.
So, if you're not going to practice to be the best among humans, than you have no chance in hell of joining a unisex league if you're a girl. Because all we would see are guys.
lol she did beat Effort.
Do you think she could do it consistently? I can kill the world's best Modern Warfare player too if I played him enough times to land a lucky random grenade kill. But the end result would probably look something like 1-100.
On October 15 2010 07:48 No_Roo wrote: So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
For example, a reason there is a woman's basketball league might be because women have a different mean height than men.
I don't actually know anything about basketball, is it even an advantage to be taller?
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I don't think it's motivated by anything physical. I imagine women feel more comfortable competing in a womens league as opposed to a "unisex" league which is 99% male. As time goes on, and competitive female gaming becomes more popular, I can very much see these two merging as there really isn't anything that gives either gender an advantage... although they do say women are more efficient at multitasking.
So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Well judging from history, the best female BW progamer (Tossgirl) failed miserably to even compete with the men. So maybe that's why they have different leagues. If you're a girl, and you can't beat Tossgirl, and if Tossgirl has only won like twice against pro gamer guys in the history of Korean BW, then all we'd see is a massacre.
did tossgirl ever practice as hard as the other progamers tho? (hours a day schedule) i dont think so
Most sources said she played 12 hours a day like all the others. She said it in a few interviews as well. May or may not be true of course.
well theres still tons of progamers that rnt successful in sc1. just because tossgirl happen to not be as talented as the progamers we see doesnt mean its because shes female :p
On October 15 2010 07:48 No_Roo wrote: So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Every competitive sport (read: game) is dominated by men. There are clearly reasons that go deeper than physical characteristics that cause womens' leagues to erupt. (most likely social reasons rather than something biological but maybe both (as in, biologically women are less competitive, if that was proven there you go, not claiming anything)
BTW: How the hell does she manage her time so well. Goddamn; BMX, Fencing, Gaming and good school grades. Wish I was that organized by a quarter. edit: oh she's not in university yet? still impressive.
On October 15 2010 07:48 No_Roo wrote: So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
For example, a reason there is a woman's basketball league might be because women have a different mean height than men.
I don't actually know anything about basketball, is it even an advantage to be taller?
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For one.. girls actually, ya know, have friends and social lives besides on the interwubz, so I imagine that pulls time away. Physically... not much. Practicality I think is where it lies currently. Most of us only get laid by the grace of whatever female is willing to slum it for a bit and pretend to be satisfied with our company. Females a) have no want for companionship if they desire, b) are raised in a culture where it isn't 'feminine' to be good at computer games or internet-focused, and c) there are plenty of other activities that involve real people, brains, and dedication that aren't as weird as parking your self in front of a monitor for 4-6 hours daily clicking.
A slightly NSFW but possibly relevant reason for some discrepancy. + Show Spoiler +
Well, seeing as all the muscles controlling the motions necessary for keyboard tapping (barring thumb ones) originate in your forearms, I imagine the incredible amount of wanking guys do gives us as a gender a natural disposition to higher APMs. Tells you something about NaDa vs Savior.
I had to laugh at the title of this thread - you couldn't like you know actually give her name or anything, it's that she's a she that's the hook right.
No offense to the OP or anything. Just when I read threads like this I kinda get a little blue.
BTW: How the hell does she manage her time so well. Goddamn BMX Fencing Gaming and good school grades. Wish I was that organized by a quarter.
I like your 4chan regurgitated slightly relevant image meme response, but social life isn't anywhere mentioned in my post and I should think you'd need decent sleep to be able to learn well in something like sc2/counterstrike.
Loving the red words painting the page of TL. Kinda funny.
On the matter of her, I guess its a nice thing to know that girls play -- and can do well? I dunno. She seems to do a lot, so it could just be a part of her personality. Just shows... not impossible to find a gamer beauty. 9 years of gaming!!
Lookin' at that profile up there, I hope to see some improvement. I hope they didn't just have her in because she was a female.
People often ask in chess why there are separate women's championships. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need them, but as most chess players are male having separate female competitions encourages women to play which in turn makes it so that there are more strong female chess players. There's nothing physically different that makes it harder for women to play, but there are lots of psychological and personality differences that sometimes discourages women from playing, anything that encourages them to play will in the long run eliminate the need for separate competitions.
Only 7 out of 19 replies on the first page gets banned! Fantastic batting average right there, really gives you hope that someday this might not be a big deal
On October 15 2010 08:06 Lascero wrote: That's a right handed activity, Sleight, whereas the keyboard hand is usually the left. :p
damn wild, there are very very few girls interested in SC/RTS because the social aspect is the most minimal of any game type... weird for a girl period to get into these kind of games, let alone an attractive one.
First thing I thought was "not this dumbass from the IEM Cologne" but it's actually a good interview, you are clearly a lot better when speaking in german than english.
Interesting interview and it's good to get more girls involved in general but I can't see how good she is going to be when spreading herself over so many different activities, since starcraft is a game that really does hinge on the amount of practice you do.
On October 15 2010 07:48 No_Roo wrote: So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
For example, a reason there is a woman's basketball league might be because women have a different mean height than men.
I don't actually know anything about basketball, is it even an advantage to be taller?
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For one.. girls actually, ya know, have friends and social lives besides on the interwubz,
I hope your being sarcastic. You just implied that the male population of this planet tend to not have social lives besides the interwubz. are nerds really THIS conceited these days? There are TONS of people out there who are not girls AND do not touch videos games for a better social life (better in your context)
A slightly NSFW but possibly relevant reason for some discrepancy. + Show Spoiler +
Well, seeing as all the muscles controlling the motions necessary for keyboard tapping (barring thumb ones) originate in your forearms, I imagine the incredible amount of wanking guys do gives us as a gender a natural disposition to higher APMs. Tells you something about NaDa vs Savior.
lol good one but imo the difference is so minute. Two runners that train for the olympic will be equally prepared despite one having to walk 20minutes a day to work while the other drives.
It's rare to see female players in highly competitive gaming I guess. Most female friends (especially the good looking ones) I know, who have that competitive edge in them, chose to use it in career, or some other fields with high publicity/exposure.
But yeah, nice interview and hope we will get to see more of her on international stage.
Wow, an actual cute girl. Usually people make a big deal because a girl made it out of Gold league, we get excited, and she ends up being fugly as hell.
I'll bet 95% of males out of Gold league are "fugly as hell" to females, what does it matter what they look like?
i would say a lot of pc gamers fall short of the mark when it comes to being "attractive" in the eyes of typical 'wanna be popular' females.
you are a really good interviewer. also nice camerawork for whoever does that. havent you done some other stuff a while back? maybe you interviewed bisu or tossgirl i forgot?
The more girls who play this game, the better. I'd love to see a greater female presence in e-sports. To hell with looks, it's an achievement enough just to get halfway decent at a competitive game with all the shit female gamers have to deal with just for admitting that they've got a vagina.
Props to the girl Take interviewed. She accomplishes more in a day than I do in a week. :p
to be honest i don't get why this whole "being a female gamer" is still a big thing... super professional gaming may be another story but we are here talking about casual gamers maybe low to mid-scene, right? i played almost my entire gaming-life in a team with some females... a few years ago it sure was a male thing only because gaming was really most just done by guys. but in the past, i would say 3 to 5 years, more and more girls became gamers...i guess even more on consoles than on pc but still a lot... you would be surprised how many females are already gaming... i think the thing is that most girls don't really make a big thing out of it...it's more that we guys still think that not really many girls are playing yet...which is wrong...and then many are surprised when they see an interview like that
however...i don't agree on the whole female/male league and pro-scene seperation...but that's also another story...
anyway...since the thread is more about the interview and not about an agenda - nice interview takesen... got some good and funny stuff lately, like the interview with the wow grandpa at the end...stream is also not bad...good work, man!
On October 15 2010 08:16 Cpadolf wrote: Only 7 out of 19 replies on the first page gets banned! Fantastic batting average right there, really gives you hope that someday this might not be a big deal
On October 15 2010 08:38 PookMasterSlim wrote: 1984ed
If anything we're being too lenient. Personally I think any mention of appearance is irrelevant at best and while many of the comments aren't completely crude it's something that should be nipped in the bud.
On October 15 2010 08:38 PookMasterSlim wrote: 1984ed
If anything we're being too lenient. Personally I think any mention of appearance is irrelevant at best and while many of the comments aren't completely crude it's something that should be nipped in the bud.
man there's a huge thread on "Nada's Body" full of pictures, photoshops, and comments that if they were directed towards this girl would all be banned, but since they're to a male they're not. i honestly don't see the difference, and few people don't like positive attention, regardless of how crude, really...
e-- i somewhat take it back though because every thread being 100% like that would be boring
Honestly people. Talk about the interview or don't post. If I read this thread without watching the interview, I would have very little idea as to the content. That is not good.
Following this posts, stupid comments will receive 30 day bans.
What does bother me is that people often view looks as a higher priority in a female gamer rather than skill. It must be tough to be a female in e-sports. Glad to see that guys do not have to live up to this double standard.
On October 15 2010 08:19 Kazang wrote: First thing I thought was "not this dumbass from the IEM Cologne" but it's actually a good interview, you are clearly a lot better when speaking in german than english.
Interesting interview and it's good to get more girls involved in general but I can't see how good she is going to be when spreading herself over so many different activities, since starcraft is a game that really does hinge on the amount of practice you do.
He's pretty awesome actually. He shoutcasted a tournament with Demuslim from his house and they were so drunk at the end. They were trying to pratice english casting. It was sooo funny.
And this topic has brought forth some terrible posts. I was going to highlight one of the TL streamers that is a girl but there is no way I would wish this objectification on anyone.
At first, I didn't want to read this thread because I though it was going to be the same "LOOK, a GIRL places Starcraft" type of thread that obviously a lot of posters were expecting. Instead, it was a really great interview. Take did a great job, and it's clear watching this that he only seemed a little trollish ("let's not talk about imbalance") during IEM Cologne because he's less comfortable in English than in German. He recognized that being a female gamer is unusual in the interview but didn't make too big a deal out of it. Pretty well done.
And she really does seem like one of those incredibly successful people, where just by their willpower they can accomplish what they set their mind to. It'd be pretty cool to see more female gamers at the top level, especially since the athletic differences in men and women shouldn't matter in an esports setting. I think it's mostly just a male-dominated area for cultural reasons right now, and it'd be cool to see that begin to change.
did tossgirl ever practice as hard as the other progamers tho? (hours a day schedule) i dont think so
I was going to mention that in my post too but decided not to. Yeah, it's true females probably spend more time on their social lives too than progamer guys or whatever.
So, if you're not going to practice to be the best among humans, than you have no chance in hell of joining a unisex league if you're a girl. Because all we would see are guys.
Do you think she could do it consistently? I can kill the world's best Modern Warfare player too if I played him enough times to land a lucky random grenade kill. But the end result would probably look something like 1-100.
great interview, but its not unexpected to see girl gamers out there. The stereotype of "no girls on the internet" has gotten tiresome to say the least. I can't help but note the fact that Take selected someone so damn pretty to do his interview and say "look, female gamers do exist". I mean I can think up half a dozen girl gamers I personally know off the top of my head, but none of them are auditioning for "next top model".
Also, this thread is ridiculous banbait. If there's anywhere I expect to see red after my post, it's here. x_x
On October 15 2010 08:55 Tone_ wrote: Lol, post with something about a girl.
Hundreds of bans and warnings ensue xD
Cool interview though, cheers!
Ya, this is why it was a terrible idea for Blizzard to display real id in forums, imagine the shitstorm these girls would get if their identities were revealed .
On topic though, is there anything this girl doesn't do? BMX, Fencing, Gaming, Modeling. She sounds like the next Ms. Germany.
Nice interview. BMX and Nexttop model?? Impressive. Is always good a girl playing computer games, but is even more nice seeing that is not the "typical nerd" girl.
It's cool and all that it's a female gamer and all (it's pretty much common knowledge that they're rare or choose not to reveal themselves), but I'm far from impressed based on her ladder ranking.
You can laugh at me all you want, I am fully aware that she is juggling like 80 things in order to maintain a somewhat normal teenage life (albeit very active), but the focus on her in the interview is the fact that she's a gamer. And she's female. Unfortunately, she isn't that good? Despite playing in several tournaments?
I don't mind the interview itself, rather I'm questioning why her specifically compared to the other female gamers that might be better at it than she is.
In all honesty she is a casual gamer. Maybe a little more than casual. I am 110% sure there are girls just as hot as her (maybe different race irl and in game lulz) that play the game at a casual level (ie :bronze->silver/gold)
On October 15 2010 08:38 PookMasterSlim wrote: mods are being nazis, good thing there is starcraftarena..
Mods are keeping people from ruining the forum.... Great interview though! Was very fun to watch. ^^. + Show Spoiler +
I'm off to hide from the ban hammer...
thier only being strict because they want to keep this forum as serious about eSports as possible ( I mean if the korean esport officials or any esport officials, perhaps even blizzard, were to look for a forum of educated suggestions/ideas it would be TL (next to bnet's own forums but oh the irony)
Its understandable that they ban for 1 word posts.
Imagine we had a balance thread and everyone just goes , cool story bro inb4 idra rage
etc etc , there would be nothing productive. TL would loose its recognition. It is hard to make a definite line of where to ban and where not to as mods are people and make mistakes but imo its best if you just follow the 10 commandment to the best of your ability.
I kind of wonder how good at SC she is, because being a champion BMX biker/model/SC pro gamer seems like a bit of a stretch, surely you can't be good at all 3.
after watching the interview I just thought that the girl is an overachiever being champion in BMX and playing starcraft while being on of the top girls playing SC 2.
Also if she want's to have a lot of money she should do her best in the Germany's next top model, surely us nerds will be rooting for her (also one reason for me to watch that show with my GF)
I think she's right, female leagues are the best way to attract more girls to the game. It's like having a ladies event at the WSOP (which is also a pretty controversial topic in poker btw). You're not saying that girls can't compete with the guys, you're saying that girls prefer to play in an environment where they don't constantly have to deal with male gamers' idiocy.
I don't really know the history, but why were the original BW female leagues abolished in Korea? It always seemed like a good idea to me, but they only ran for like two seasons and then got stopped. Perhaps some older TL member can enlighten me.
There are some female WC3 tournaments in China too (Google Colagirl) but this doesn't seem to have spread any further. It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
On October 15 2010 09:02 Vei wrote: i want to see how good she is at bmx, bmx is just sweet to watch in general
Here is a video of her BMXing, she has other videos as well on her page. Good interview and it's always nice to see a cute girl taking up our nerdy obsession.
I don't really know the history, but why were the original BW female leagues abolished in Korea? It always seemed like a good idea to me, but they only ran for like two seasons and then got stopped. Perhaps some older TL member can enlighten me.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure it was a ratings issue. That, and the fact that TossGirl beat everyone so badly.
Here is a video of her BMXing, she has other videos as well on her page. Good interview and it's always nice to see a cute girl taking up our nerdy obsession.
thanks... pretty underwhelmed lol :V i guess she's not a professional though..? is she a semifamous model or anything i wonder?
it seems that she is a jack of all trades, master of none type person. personally, I would never be able to spend that much time to not be amazing at anything
On October 15 2010 09:19 FuRong wrote: It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
What the frack are you talking about, I haven't seen a single tournament prohibiting women from participating. I don't understand why being a minority warrants special treatment. What's the point?
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i wonder if girls should have there own tourneys or like poker be in the same ones as men. I hope one day there will be televised e-sports daily of men and women, and Day9, to cast it like a d9d.
On October 15 2010 09:19 FuRong wrote: It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
What the fuck are you talking about, I haven't seen a single tournament prohibiting women from participating. I don't understand why being a minority warrants special treatment. What's the point?
This. I mean, I'm all for everyone being able to play, but I don't see why they should have their own leagues. I mean, is there some inherent disadvantage they have concerning gaming or something?
On October 15 2010 09:40 brendan.zerg116109 wrote: i wonder if girls should have there own tourneys or like poker be in the same ones as men. I hope one day there will be televised e-sports daily of men and women, and Day9, to cast it like a d9d.
I saw an interview clip with a pro female Poker player and she said that the one thing she liked about Poker was that it's a 100% even playing table between men and women, as is SC2, so there should be no league separation. That is, unless of course someone wants to make the argument that females are cognitively disadvantaged at what SC or poker requires, which I sometimes wonder about (in respect to SC) in a sincerely nonsexist opinion. I never followed brood war, but at least since WC3 I don't think I've ever heard of a pretty pro RTS player who was female. Is it because they're disinterested? That's at least why there's so few of them -- but for the ones who do play...
anyway, it's just something I think about from time to time. i've read theories that sc2 is too logical/experience based and women are more inclined to intuition and socialness, but yeah. perhaps off-topic?
This. I mean, I'm all for everyone being able to play, but I don't see why they should have their own leagues. I mean, is there some inherent disadvantage they have concerning gaming or something?
Women don't need their own leagues.
What they also don't need, is whenever there's a thread about a woman playing SC, 50% of the responses to be aimed at discussing how hot they are or aren't.
I don't see how girls having an inherent disadvantage or not really affects the value of having girls-only tournaments. If we want more girls to play SC2, and girls-only tournaments (or clans, or whatever) would make them more comfortable playing, then we should create those things. The fact that girls might not have a disadvantage doesn't really matter. They probably wouldn't need these female only communities at all if we weren't such dicks, but I think changing gamer culture is a lot harder than making some female tournaments, so I guess we should go with that for now.
Pretty cool interview though, I dig it that she's into such a wide variety of things. Modeling, BMXing and pro-gaming... that's pretty damned impressive.
Modeling, gaming, bmx. Put that together and you have a token pro-gamer girl that people can't call nerdy and out of shape. It's all planned, yeeees....
I would like to say the post Brian made induced extreme laughter. Shame you were banned for it (although I can see why especially given some recent thread about sexism on TL, but if it makes you feel better knowing someone enjoyed you post I very much did! )
It's taken way too long for women's sports to be taken seriously (even today, you can hardly say that they are). Maybe eSports is a way for them to be equals off the starting line because physical strength is less of a factor.
The only thing that I found a little strange was that they are dividing male and female gamers. I don't see what the point is. I mean, in physical sports, ok. But in eSports... huh? Personally, I'd rather see guys and girls treated as equals from the get-go in eSports because it would entice more women to get involved.
While they may be a minority in eSports because of social stigma associated to gaming, it's irrelevant because it shouldn't affect their level of play. They're just as capable as men of playing games and I personally think it would be an insult to women to segregate the two.
That BMX-video looked rather mediocre I must admit, but it's not like anybody claimed that those were her best moments. ^^ As to the interview: In my opinion it was well done, I liked the questions, setting, quality and you had an interesting interviewee. I do wonder, how successful she is at all she's doing, seems like she has a lot of stuff do learn and practice; I assume she will not excel at any one discipline in the end.
And most importantly: How good is she at SC2? Does anybody know where I can get a replay of hers?
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Ehm... is this her?
Because if it IS, then I'd consider her a nice girl who can is good at a lot of things; SC2 not being one of them. ^^ I do of course give her the benefit of the doubt and expect the person in the linked video to be a random protoss who just by sheer chance happens to go by the same name.
On October 15 2010 08:19 Kazang wrote: First thing I thought was "not this dumbass from the IEM Cologne" but it's actually a good interview, you are clearly a lot better when speaking in german than english.
Interesting interview and it's good to get more girls involved in general but I can't see how good she is going to be when spreading herself over so many different activities, since starcraft is a game that really does hinge on the amount of practice you do.
By the sounds of it she wants to get a female scene for SC2 happening and not really compete with the guys. I could be wrong. Considering the very small numbers she wouldn't need a ton of practice time to compete.
Edit: ok forget that, after watching a replay of hers she is awful at SC2.
On October 15 2010 09:55 Dugrok wrote: It's taken way too long for women's sports to be taken seriously (even today, you can hardly say that they are). Maybe eSports is a way for them to be equals off the starting line because physical strength is less of a factor.
The only thing that I found a little strange was that they are dividing male and female gamers. I don't see what the point is. I mean, in physical sports, ok. But in eSports... huh? Personally, I'd rather see guys and girls treated as equals from the get-go in eSports because it would entice more women to get involved.
While they may be a minority in eSports because of social stigma associated to gaming, it's irrelevant because it shouldn't affect their level of play. They're just as capable as men of playing games and I personally think it would be an insult to women to segregate the two.
I'm not trying to pick on you by any means by quoting your post, I think you just very eloqurently summed up what many people feel should happen (including myself) with women in esports.
The fact of the matter though, is that there simply aren't as many women playing videogames. I think, for whatever reason, women do not have the gene men have that makes us love videogames, which means that there will be a lower level of skill because of the numbers who will compete. It was also mentioned earlier that women are turned off by the immaturity regarding them as part of the community, because of all the "TITS OR GTFO" crap.
anyway, the point of my post are that women are just as capable, if given the practice, as men. just look at ToSsGirL, who could beat anyone in BW in the foreign community, and LenaPark, who regularly takes games off of top SC2 players such as CellaWerra, Top, TheStC, Zenio, and IntoTheRainbow.
So just wondering, what physical characteristic of a woman justifies having a separate woman's league for starcraft? Or is there none really?
Well judging from history, the best female BW progamer (Tossgirl) failed miserably to even compete with the men. So maybe that's why they have different leagues. If you're a girl, and you can't beat Tossgirl, and if Tossgirl has only won like twice against pro gamer guys in the history of Korean BW, then all we'd see is a massacre.
only twice!? tossgirl had a long career and did end up beating many male progamers: reach, yellow, freemara, gorush and junior to name a few
On October 15 2010 09:55 Dugrok wrote: It's taken way too long for women's sports to be taken seriously (even today, you can hardly say that they are). Maybe eSports is a way for them to be equals off the starting line because physical strength is less of a factor.
The only thing that I found a little strange was that they are dividing male and female gamers. I don't see what the point is. I mean, in physical sports, ok. But in eSports... huh? Personally, I'd rather see guys and girls treated as equals from the get-go in eSports because it would entice more women to get involved.
While they may be a minority in eSports because of social stigma associated to gaming, it's irrelevant because it shouldn't affect their level of play. They're just as capable as men of playing games and I personally think it would be an insult to women to segregate the two.
What do you think about foreigner-only tournaments?
There are female only leagues in Chess, Go and Billiards, and I don't see why E-sports would be any different.
On October 15 2010 09:19 FuRong wrote: It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
What the frack are you talking about, I haven't seen a single tournament prohibiting women from participating. I don't understand why being a minority warrants special treatment. What's the point?
User was warned for this post "What the fuck are you talking about" is not necessary to make a point.
There are competitions for gold/silver league players only, Australian players only, Europeans only pretty much every kind of 'segregation' you can think of, yet suddenly a league for female players only pops up and all of a sudden people explode with rage.
If girls want to create their own league more power to them, what difference does it make to you?
On October 15 2010 09:43 gillon wrote:
This. I mean, I'm all for everyone being able to play, but I don't see why they should have their own leagues. I mean, is there some inherent disadvantage they have concerning gaming or something?
Am I missing something obvious?
Yes, yes you are. I'll give you a hint it's got nothing to do with being inherently disadvantaged at all.
Sometimes the guys from my class organize some lan partys and stuff like that, with RTS, FPS, etc. Once we called some of the girl's class to join us. It was pretty funny, don't know why, but women do suck so much in games.
This. I mean, I'm all for everyone being able to play, but I don't see why they should have their own leagues. I mean, is there some inherent disadvantage they have concerning gaming or something?
Am I missing something obvious?
If the guy above you hadn't quoted only a part of my post out of context, you could see that I already answered this in my original post:
--> It's like having a ladies event at the WSOP (which is also a pretty controversial topic in poker btw). You're not saying that girls can't compete with the guys, you're saying that girls prefer to play in an environment where they don't constantly have to deal with male gamers' idiocy
Girls don't have a disadvantage when it comes to gaming. Yes, girls have the opportunity to enter any open tournaments, but the truth is that they don't, we all know this. You can say all you want about girls being fully able to play, having the right to enter and being no different physiologically from guys when it comes to games, but the truth is that under the current system they just don't enter tournaments. Why not? Well the biggest factor is that girl gamers represent such a tiny percentage of SC2 players, and an even smaller percentage of competitive SC2 players. So the question we should be asking is, what can we do to encourage more girls to pick up the game?
Holding female leagues or tournaments has nothing to do with equality, it's about exposure and encouraging participation. The argument is that if girls see or hear about other girls playing the game, they will be more likely to try it out, and it also gives female gamers a greater incentive to play competively. If girls have a positive experience playing in ladies only events, then they are more likely to tell their friends, more likely to come back, more likely to enter other open events and more likely to become a part of the community. This is good for the game as a whole. Will this lead to more girls playing the game on a competitive level to the point where they might enter open tournaments? It's hard to say, we can't be sure. But I think we can agree it would be better than the status quo, where girls just don't enter tournaments period.
@Vei: I'm guessing the player you saw was probably Annie Duke, but she is one of the few female poker players who do NOT support womens only tournaments. She may be a vocal and prominent voice, but her opinion is actually a minority. When they did a survey among other female pros (you can find it on one of those poker news sites) most of them said they enjoyed and fully supported ladies only tournaments/leagues.
Reasons cited by female pros for supporting ladies events included: - networking, meeting and making friends with other women in their field - providing a less intimidating environment for amateurs to try out the game - a more friendly and welcoming tournament atmosphere - a refrain from male poker players either making sexist jokes, not taking them seriously or trying to hit on them
But of course this isn't a problem in Starcraft, right guys? All Starcraft players are well-adjusted, mature young men who are perfectly capable of treating girls with respect and interacting normally with them, right? Oh wait, just look at the first page of this thread =/
Not every female gamer is as tough as Tossgirl. Tossgirl is one in a million. Not only did she not care about playing in a male dominated environment, she used to sneak out of her house to secretly play in BW tournaments. That kind of dedication and will to compete is pretty rare amongst female gamers. In my opinion, we should do everything we can to encourage greater participation by girls in the game we play and love. If any of you guys fuming at the idea of women's tournaments have any BETTER ideas for getting more girls into the game and involved in the community, then we would love to hear them.
TL;DR: Holding female leagues or tournaments has nothing to do with equality, it's about exposure and encouraging participation
women can DEFINITELY compete with men if it isn't a physical activity. the problem with women mentally is that, as a gender, they just don't have nearly as huge egos on average compared to men. egos can be obnoxious and irrational, but they also drive you to satisfy that ego. i've competed in a lot of things and i've seen how women practice and compete and i don't get the feeling of infinite motivation that competitive men have. only 1 or 2 girls out of a group will have the same drive that a majority of men in a group have. i really believe that ego is a large part of why guys have a greater spirit and are willing to do what it takes for no apparent benefit. add in the fact that VERY few women even bother trying, and therefore that one amazing miracle person is less likely to pop up, and you have women not appearing nearly as good. tossgirl is a great example of why gender doesn't matter, even if she is the only one.
and i don't support female-only tournaments if they actually want to prove they are as good as men. having them just says 'yea, i wanna compete, but i admit i'm not as good as men so let me just compete with other people who have the same crappy attitude that i have.' if that's what you want then go ahead but i'm never going to believe they're as good if they don't compete where it matters, just the same way starcraft fans don't believe the best foreigner is the best player if they don't prove it by beating koreans. things like basketball? sure, men are way bigger than women, give them their own division because it actually matters. starcraft/poker/anything mental? it's just excuses.
Haha yay more people the merrier. Be awesome if starcraft becomes popular in gaming for girls as well :D I think she`s starting a pretty awesome clan lol
I must be the only person on TL who honestly believes that the moderation here has always been way, way too lenient. So it's good to see the mods stepping it up and banning obvious unscrupulous types. Cheers!
Otherwise, good interview. It's always nice to see participation from the fairer sex in e-sports; something that's definitely going to be necessary for SC to really take off over here in the West.
I don't know if there are any physical things that would prevent women from being as good as men in SC2 (there may well be, SC being a physical as well as a mental sport), but considering how few men there are who are actually good enough at the game for that to even matter, there's no reason why there can't be lots and lots of women playing the game as well, in all levels. I'm sure this Chantal Aust would clean the floor with me, so no problem there.
And internet trolls acting like disgusting miscreants to a lady...please grow up. Chivalry is not dead, and I WILL verbally berate you over the Internet if you mess with a woman. So there.
Ok. I don't really care about a female gaming league. I don't actually understand why it's so necessary to separate the two. I mean it's really anyone is capable of competing at that high-level of play. So why separate them? Unless it's just that people want to encourage females to participate in gaming by having different leagues, because they think they are gonna get destroyed by males, that's also perfectly fine with me. As long as everyone participates and has fun, that's alright with me.
On October 15 2010 12:21 Captain Peabody wrote: And internet trolls acting like disgusting miscreants to a lady...please grow up. Chivalry is not dead, and I WILL verbally berate you over the Internet if you mess with a woman. So there.
chivalry is dead, and you can thank bitches for killing it. What I mean is I'll stop acting like an asshole when the asshole stops getting the girl. Putting the pussy on a pedastal? Been there done that, smartened up. Though I will agree though that these clowns getting banned have about the tact of a construction worker on lunch break.
On October 15 2010 12:21 Captain Peabody wrote: And internet trolls acting like disgusting miscreants to a lady...please grow up. Chivalry is not dead, and I WILL verbally berate you over the Internet if you mess with a woman. So there.
chivalry is dead, and you can thank bitches for killing it. What I mean is I'll stop acting like an asshole when the asshole stops getting the girl. Putting the pussy on a pedastal? Been there done that, smartened up. Though I will agree though that these clowns getting banned have about the tact of a construction worker on lunch break.
lol what? simply because girls are into guys that are more physically dominant it means you have to be an asshole on the internet?
That's your call whether you think I'm being an asshole there. I'm saying being a jerk can get more attention from girls than "verbally berating" guys on the internet who are rude to women.. physically dominant is a better way to put it, nice one.
I should probably comment on the interview since I'm posting here. I don't think a girls league would have much success considering there's so many good tournies out there already that produce more entertaining games. but it's cool that the chick is backing SC2 and E-sports as a whole, the more exposure the better. Maybe she can get good enough to compete with the guys at some point, or at least peak as a commentator. GL to her either way.
On October 15 2010 09:19 FuRong wrote: It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
What the frack are you talking about, I haven't seen a single tournament prohibiting women from participating. I don't understand why being a minority warrants special treatment. What's the point?
User was warned for this post "What the fuck are you talking about" is not necessary to make a point.
There are competitions for gold/silver league players only, Australian players only, Europeans only pretty much every kind of 'segregation' you can think of, yet suddenly a league for female players only pops up and all of a sudden people explode with rage.
That's because there's no obvious distinction between Males and Females for SC2 play. Bronze, Silver, etc. are by definition different tiers of skill, separating them makes sense. Regional segregation helps organization and community since servers are separated into 3 regions. To separate male/female tournies just doesn't really have much basis other than to attract attention the same way the rose bowl attracts attention to it: hey watch this because it appeals to your loins.
which i mean hey, nothing inherently wrong with that, but realize that's what it is really.
On October 15 2010 09:19 FuRong wrote: It seems paradoxical that we always complain that there aren't enough girls involved in gaming, but at the same time nobody is willing to support tournaments for them...
What the frack are you talking about, I haven't seen a single tournament prohibiting women from participating. I don't understand why being a minority warrants special treatment. What's the point?
User was warned for this post "What the fuck are you talking about" is not necessary to make a point.
There are competitions for gold/silver league players only, Australian players only, Europeans only pretty much every kind of 'segregation' you can think of, yet suddenly a league for female players only pops up and all of a sudden people explode with rage.
That's because there's no obvious distinction between Males and Females for SC2 play. Bronze, Silver, etc. are by definition different tiers of skill, separating them makes sense. Regional segregation helps organization and community since servers are separated into 3 regions. To separate male/female tournies just doesn't really have much basis other than to attract attention the same way the rose bowl attracts attention to it: hey watch this because it appeals to your loins.
which i mean hey, nothing inherently wrong with that, but realize that's what it is really.
Still missing the point, while in some cases it may be 'to attract attention' as you say I would say the majority of female leagues are created for the reasons described in FuRong's excellent post above.
I like how she got offended when the interviewer hinted towards latency issues, since she ended up winning.. and she DID have huge latency, which means she was way better than the rest.
Although I do support females pursuing in competitive gaming, I am strongly opposed to any sort of movement that encourages more females to do it as well. With any sort of movement comes pride. When pride is tied with gender, sexism ensues. The type of gamer I hate the most is the 'gamer girl'. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in this community hate them as well. The last thing I want in sc2 is 'gamer girls' being involved. I would be nice if more female gamers emerge in a controlled setting, but I don't want to see female gamers being the latest crave.
On October 15 2010 14:26 some_pro wrote: I have the feeling that she plays to get attention from the nerds, not because she likes the game or something...
ya thats what she wants. hundreds of sweaty virgins spamming her email. delightful.
On October 15 2010 14:26 some_pro wrote: I have the feeling that she plays to get attention from the nerds, not because she likes the game or something...
ya thats what she wants. hundreds of sweaty virgins spamming her email. delightful.
mOnion when did you read my diary?
UH I MEAN.
Seriously though, I don't understand people like some_pro.
It's like...98% of the gaming community is either "omg girl. ur hot. boobs?" or "attention whores! gtfo!!" I just can't grasp why people can't be like those of us who just don't really care. Do I treat female players different or special? No. I didn't in DAOC, didn't in WoW, and I won't start in SC2 or any other game in the future. It's like a crazy circle that I wish would go die somewhere...
Guys are like HOLY SHIT GIRLS. pics! or they go down the attention whore / slut. ---> girls don't like to play games or be a part of the community ---> Little to no females around, but one shows up somewhere ----> Start over.
Then we get issues like the whole female clan thread and it's just never going to end until people start growing up.
I guess that's the center of the issue. lol. Easier said than done, I suppose.
Back on topic - Nicely done interview. I've always thought TaKe had a sexy voice. Especially when he speaks German... Rofl.
she's pretty. but somehow i doubt she's even close to any sort of elite or even high diamond. its just my experience dealing with the females. they are never that good. its not that they cannot be...they just never seem to be. i think they have other priorities in life. which is good for them. i see this in poker and all forms of games.
I would be happy if they get rid of all these "girl tournaments" and more female gamers start joining the standard tourneys. This isn't other sports where there's body strength issues separating the genders, girls have the ability to be just as good as guys when it comes to gaming, and it's very unfortunate that there are not more taking part in it.
Did it say at any point what league she's in? I think it would be great to see some female players in high diamond. People keep saying they don't see the big deal of female gamers, well I think it's just one more thing that could help e-sports as a whole. Also, I'm sure a lot of you can understand me when I say girls need something to do, something to waste time on. I myself hate having clingy girlfriends who are "bored" all the time and make me feel bad for wanting to play SC2 instead of entertain them all day. Maybe if more girls get into SC2, more will follow? I won't get my hopes up. Oh.. and hearing all the shit she does made me realize how incredibly lazy I am. Nice interview.
One of the reasons why I don't like being a girl gamer amongst guys, is that you get put under scrutony. Your looks and your skill level has to be sized up and discarded someway.
I understand that some think it's exciting when a girl enters, and that's fine. But please, don't make these silly excuses if she outplays you.
She only plays the game because of the attention. If she's better than you she probably got boosted because she's a girl. If she's better than you she's played more. If she's better than you she probably plays terran, lol. If she's better than you, you point out she's not high diamond, so she still sucks. And if all else fails you can always say she's ugly.
Sorry for my little rant, it's a pet peeve of mine. Props to guys that treat girls like they would any other.
Anyway I think more female gamers would be a good thing, especially if they are good looking. Don't get me wrong, I don't care how they look, but as we can tell from this board alone, a lot of people do, so with attractive female gamers people would find out that this isn't something only fat, ugly nerds do. Still amazing we have this stereotype as about 6 video games are sold every second, how can people still say that people that play games live in basements, are obese, have acne and are incredibly rude.
On October 15 2010 20:53 dandelion wrote: One of the reasons why I don't like being a girl gamer amongst guys, is that you get put under scrutony. Your looks and your skill level has to be sized up and discarded someway.
I understand that some think it's exciting when a girl enters, and that's fine. But please, don't make these silly excuses if she outplays you.
She only plays the game because of the attention. If she's better than you she probably got boosted because she's a girl. If she's better than you she's played more. If she's better than you she probably plays terran, lol. If she's better than you, you point out she's not high diamond, so she still sucks. And if all else fails you can always say she's ugly.
Sorry for my little rant, it's a pet peeve of mine. Props to guys that treat girls like they would any other.
Testify, sister. For real.
Many years ago, I once got banned from a Counterstrike server, because "girls can't be that good." *headsmack* And that's just one example.
This thread in itself is why all the girls lurking on this forum will take precautions to not "out herself".
gw, guys.
Props to the mods laying the smack down - it shows TL is dedicated to making us feel welcome and not a novelty and just like everybody else.
It's funny how this is such an obvious attempt from the moderators side to redeem themselves after the whole "female SC clan" fiasco.
While i'm disappointed in the fact that it took such an "event" to open everyone's eyes on this (much like when the top WoW clan Nihilum wouldn't accept girls because of the "guaranteed drama" and the debate that followed), i guess it's better than nothing and i welcome the initiative.
I guess it happens when we're talking about a 98%+ male dominated community, especially of young ages.
Great Interview by Take. He is getting more and more awesome with each show. He has a lot of good ideas like this interview, or the video, where he asked the people about eSports recently. Way to go Dennis!
Take appears to be very short, or she is very tall. I recall him being eye level with idra during the IEM thing, maybe idra is tiny too?
The most exceptional thing about her is that she's pretty. Her SC2 skills and even BMX skills aren't noteworthy at all. I'm sure there's plenty of ugly girls who would smash her in either SC2 or some sort of BMX Jousting competition or whatever it is they do. There's a certain hypocrisy to interviews like this so I'm not surprised how much of a minefield the threads turn out to be. It's like no one wants to acknowledge the obvious truth to why anyone is taking any interest in her chosen hobbies.
lol nerds getting crazy when seeing a girl I really DO appreciate all the bans and warnings.. guys how should girls get into it, if their are just treated like this... idiots
On October 15 2010 12:21 Captain Peabody wrote: And internet trolls acting like disgusting miscreants to a lady...please grow up. Chivalry is not dead, and I WILL verbally berate you over the Internet if you mess with a woman. So there.
chivalry is dead, and you can thank bitches for killing it. What I mean is I'll stop acting like an asshole when the asshole stops getting the girl. Putting the pussy on a pedastal? Been there done that, smartened up. Though I will agree though that these clowns getting banned have about the tact of a construction worker on lunch break.
I have some construction workers working on an extension to my house at the moment, and at the very least they display worlds more tact than the posts we see banned or warned in this thread. I don't think I've seen such immature reactions since grade school.
I support womens' leagues and urge the opposition to consider the perspectives of prospective female gamers and fans. They likely have considerations and goals different from ours' when treating competition.
On October 15 2010 20:53 dandelion wrote: One of the reasons why I don't like being a girl gamer amongst guys, is that you get put under scrutony. Your looks and your skill level has to be sized up and discarded someway.
I understand that some think it's exciting when a girl enters, and that's fine. But please, don't make these silly excuses if she outplays you.
She only plays the game because of the attention. If she's better than you she probably got boosted because she's a girl. If she's better than you she's played more. If she's better than you she probably plays terran, lol. If she's better than you, you point out she's not high diamond, so she still sucks. And if all else fails you can always say she's ugly.
Sorry for my little rant, it's a pet peeve of mine. Props to guys that treat girls like they would any other.
As a terran user, I can tell you that this is pretty much how all terran players get treated! (the bolded parts, not the entire list !)
On October 15 2010 21:57 Thrill wrote: It's funny how this is such an obvious attempt from the moderators side to redeem themselves after the whole "female SC clan" fiasco.
I disagree with that, that would imply that this is an exaggerated response or that the claims made by others about tl had some merit, which I personally do not believe is the case. This topic does serve to highlight that we don't tolerate gender based offtopic typical internet memes any more than we do the rest of the "first!" etc culture. Rather than a one off attempt at redemption it should be seen as a renewed statement of policy.
As a terran user, I can tell you that this is pretty much how all terran players get treated! (the bolded parts, not the entire list !)
Equivically bad treatment of Terrans by the community, is clearly the first step towards gender equality within the SC2 community.
But seriously, yeah if I was a girl on here I'd never say so. I mean, you see quite a few women watching some of these lan events, and they can't ALL have just been dragged their by their boyfriends or a fanatical desire for Day9s manliness, some of this must actually love starcraft, and I can't help but get the feeling the rest of us overly competitive, ranking obsessed, oversexed nerds tend to scare away female gamers.
In my personal experience girls tend to like gaming, its just that they tend to gravitate towards communal games like WoW or console fighters, because both these games have nice social elements to it. When I asked my sister why she quit WoW she was far more concerned about the quality of the community than any gameplay elements. Lets be honest, most competitive games like DoTA, Halo, CS all have pretty crappy communities. Hopefully Starcraft 2 can mark a change in regards to how women are treated in the community, but I aint holding my breath.
I dont really get why she was interviewed.. I mean if she was doing good in some kind of sc2 competition I would understand, but obviously she is a 36 point bronze player. I mean come on, she is certainly not the only girl in the world that plays SC2. Are we still in a time and age where a girl playing a videogame is big news?
Edit: On a sidenote, she basically supports the oppression of women by accepting to be interviewed as a bronze sc2 player for a gaming site imo.
On October 16 2010 00:24 diehilde wrote: I dont really get why she was interviewed.. I mean if she was doing good in some kind of sc2 competition I would understand, but obviously she is a 36 point bronze player. I mean come on, she is certainly not the only girl in the world that plays SC2. Are we still in a time and age where a girl playing a videogame is big news?
Edit: On a sidenote, she basically supports the oppression of women by accepting to be interviewed as a bronze sc2 player for a gaming site imo.
I get your point. When I first saw the interview (being a female gamer myself) I thought oh wow, stereotypes, here we go again. For instance, I don't think it was necessary to mention her former boyfriend.
But I would imagine that a female SC2 player who agrees to such an interview is even more of a rarity than a female SC2 player in general. If you decide to expose yourself as a girl in esports you can bet there's gonna be trolling and borderline sexist comments and all that crap. (Btw, the comments here on TL got nothing on the stuff some people posted on the German communities such as readmore...)
So, you really need to develop a thick skin, and apparently she has - seeing that she's obviously comfortable with being interviewed. I myself wouldn't have had the balls (yeah, I went there) to do it. ^^
On October 16 2010 00:24 diehilde wrote: I dont really get why she was interviewed.. I mean if she was doing good in some kind of sc2 competition I would understand, but obviously she is a 36 point bronze player. I mean come on, she is certainly not the only girl in the world that plays SC2. Are we still in a time and age where a girl playing a videogame is big news?
yeah this is what i was thinking... nice interview, but it's just a girl who happens to play sc2 and has lots of other 'non-girly' habits instead of a starcraft 2 player who happens to be a girl
Theres never gonna be a lot of girls who are any good at this game. Two reasons
1) To get good at this game you have to enjoy winning and despise losing. Not like 'oh well i guess im just no good' but 'HOW THE FUCK COULD I LOSE TO THAT CHEESY SHIT *breaks wall* K FUCK IM PRACTICING TILL I NEVER LOSE TO THAT CHEESE AGAIN'
2) There is no reason for them to. Its not financially beneficial to sink enough time into this game to get good, it doesnt actually benefit you in any way unless you enjoy seeing others lose due to your machinations. You have to take pleasure in the fact that you and someone you've never seen before went into a battle of wits and speed and you triumphed over him, showing your superiority.
And thats just the tiny amount of girls that actually want to play an RTS. Some people are talking about making female only tournies to tempt women to join in on the sc2, but why? People will still watch these tournies, and still discuss on some forum or other how fugly or hot they are and completely disregard their play, probably for good reason.
I mean thats your first reason gone, and whats the other? That if women have their own leagues they'll be motivated to get better or reach the level of the male top (or even mediocre) players? Because that didnt work for tossgirl.
If this was an interview of a dude who was pretty good at a lot of stuff but not really amazing at any of it and played sc2, I'd be equally impressed as I am with this girl. I mean its not like she has done anything specifically related to sc2 that warrants her getting an interview, right?
edit: anyone who calls her ugly must be seriously fucking insecure or lonely. just wow. edit 2: On a side note, someone should interview Haemonculus if they want an interview with a female sc2 player, since shes actually good at the game.
That guy is totally hot, he probably only got his interviewer status cause of it. I mean he could be doing so much more than interviewing a girl gamer. (end pathetic attempt at satire.) People need to chill... Here's a quote by a military training instructor from my boot camp, "You aren't male or female to me, you are just meat on legs and those legs better march in unison." In recent social circles and amongst the young we hardly factor in race anymore unless raised otherwise, soon the same will be done for gender discrimination amongst games. It's nice that the community as a whole appears to be more open to the female demographic, aside from a few plebeian town drunks. The more open it seems to be the more attention that can be brought on it and the more it can prosper. Thanks mods for slamming the idiots. Btw i think the point of the interview was to show a burgeoning growth of female gamers and what this girl has "done" for said community. I guess making an all-female ESL team counts but k.
Ps. She's hot, but that doesn't matter. Show some human decency and shut up if you got something negative to say.
I liked the interview, but what i dont like is that "gamer girls" are getting special treatment. I dont really care if you're guy or girl, white or black, or anything like that. But when a bronze player will get interviews and so much attention JUST because they belong to a minority, it gets annoying.
If you want to be treated equally, then dont go around making a fuss about you being a "starcraft 2 gamer" when you're in the bronze league, and rarely play. It's like when my dad calls himself a "gamer" because he plays Farmville. It might be cute, but thats all it is.
To be treated seriously they have to act like normal players.
The girl seems really nice though, and i loved the interview
Oh man take awesome as always. Didn´t know you had a youtube channel and just checking out the other videos. The esport interviews are hilarious but also rather sad.
so interviewing bronze noobs is cool as long as they have boobs ? Ppl make fun of Tossgirl even tho she would pwn 99% of TL members 2v1... This thread was doomend from the start.
interviewing female gamers are always cool, because there are so few of them willing to expose their sex (not in a literal sense, mind you) in any way what so ever. e-sports definitely needs more cool girls like killerbunny to set a good example for other gamers, especially female ones. if you want to step up your game, some exposure to the community at large is a good thing for your mindset. haters will hate and both them and the fans will give you more motivation to play well.
i'm very sorry to see so many complete retards expressing their insecure inferiority complex in this thread.
i really hope killerbunny starts playing as good as she's looking - which is dead sexy to say the least.
and yes, "gamer girls" definitely by all means deserves "special treatment". it's a big shame, not just for the e-sports community, but for computer nerd culture in general, that there are not more women in our movement.
so stop feeling scared of being beat by a girl in starcraft, stop fearing the presence of female counterparts - and start embracing the fact that everyone who plays computer games or enjoys going to lan parties is not just like you - a socially handicapped insecure male looser. no hard feelings, right.
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Rofl. 
