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On October 13 2010 20:29 Zrana wrote:
Don't you guys think it's weird that gay and dyke are banned words? They're not even insults unless you're a homophobe. I wonder if the gay starcraft players feel a bit pissed about it.
IIRC, came is also censored. I mean, seriously, came is an obscure way of saying drugs in french, why would it be censored ?
Let's not even mention "black" and "white". I don't see how Blizzard expects to launch the Marketplace anytime soon, nobody would want to make a map given the tou.
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And Again some people who feel offended ruin it for everyone. If you guys haven't seen it you should watch "This film is not yet rated". It is about american movie rating as a form of censorship by (SPOILER).
What really bothers me about this new system that I won't be able to play "inapropriate" maps. There was this great map in WC3: Randgruppen TD (Fringe group TD). Highly offensive. You could pick one of several minorities. Like East germans, foreigners, Drug users, sick and old people, women etc. Every tower had his own insulting, but hilarious description, often using the popular clichés. Also the map gave you helpful hints. Like "Use a maze to defeat the enemy" and later in the game these tips changed to "It is often a good idea to shake a persons penis as a form of greeting". So this map was very tongue-in-cheek, but increadibly offensive and I will never be able to play it with my friends in private, because of this ridicioulus custom map system.
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I read the first few pages but not every page, but why not just take the offensive word(s) out?
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I think it's justified. Battle.net is a large space with lots of users, young and old. It has to take the least offensive road. Do you think kids learn the meaning of the word "dyke" as being a dam or a vertical lava flow first? Do you think that they learn "faggot" as being a bundle of sticks first? I sure as hell didn't.
Now if these words were used in context (ie. "Jim, go blow up that dyke and flood the zerg") I think it would be fine. But nexus word wars has no context.
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I remember in beta the French word for "yesterday" was censored if you didn't desactivate the language filter, that was kind of problematic...I don't know if it's still the case.
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On October 13 2010 22:02 NormandyBoy wrote:
I remember in beta the French word for "yesterday" was censored if you didn't desactivate the language filter, that was kind of problematic...I don't know if it's still the case.
Same with the German word for "less" - "weniger" becomes "we*****". But that change still exists on live.
Way to go, Blizzard.
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On October 13 2010 21:57 sikyon wrote:
I think it's justified. Battle.net is a large space with lots of users, young and old. It has to take the least offensive road. Do you think kids learn the meaning of the word "dyke" as being a dam or a vertical lava flow first? Do you think that they learn "faggot" as being a bundle of sticks first? I sure as hell didn't.
Now if these words were used in context (ie. "Jim, go blow up that dyke and flood the zerg") I think it would be fine. But nexus word wars has no context.
I don't understand the context of Nexus Word Wars because I don't play many custom maps. That being said I don't understand Blizzard's stance on this issue. As it has been mentioned there is an in game word filter, the single player campaign is loaded with dubious morals and drug use and in the greater context of the gaming world the online experience over Live playing Reach is probably ten times worse (or for that matter playing any game over Live), when it comes to expanding a young person's vocabulary.
I can understand it, given the power of blizzard's map creator, that they don't want things which are blatantly obscene running about - but then again thats what the report function is for. Banning a map which seems to pull words at random from a dictionary list strikes me as an over reaction.
edit:dubious grammar 
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dyke or dike1 (daɪk)
1. an embankment constructed to prevent flooding, keep out the sea, etc
2. a ditch or watercourse
3. a bank made of earth excavated for and placed alongside a ditch
4. ( Scot ) a wall, esp a dry-stone wall
5. a barrier or obstruction
6. a vertical or near-vertical wall-like body of igneous rock intruded into cracks in older rock
7. informal ( Austral ), ( NZ )
a. a lavatory
b. ( as modifier ): a dyke roll
So because a word is co-opted as a a derogatory term for something, we can't use it?
Someone tell Fruit Dealer to change his name, he's obviously a pimp trafficking in male prostitutes.
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Although I can understand Blizzard's standpoint a little bit, I believe a complete ban is absurd. A request would have been fine and if the mapmaker doesn't comply then a ban would have been just. I remember the array of maps back in SC1 UMS: "Dodge the Rapist", "Strip Kerrigan/etc", "Nude Pic #1329". So I can understand the need to regulate the publishing of maps to some extent, but Blizzard needs to be clearer as to what gets deemed offensive rather than being too sensitive/scared on the topic.
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On October 13 2010 20:45 shinwa wrote:
I would say that it's completely justified. Blizzard has taken a stand on what kind of words/profanity they want to have in their game. Regardless of how lame this might be, they are at least showing that they are standing up for their principles.
"Dyke" is not profanity.
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the phallic guy all over again? oO.
Is "dyke" negative slang? Or do blizzard take homosexual slang as offensive?
I mean, gay also means happy...
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On October 13 2010 20:19 NicolBolas wrote:Hurray, more people who don't know what "Freedom of Speech" means. Civics lesson. The First Amendment to the United States of America's Constitution prevents the government from making laws that would impede the freedom of speech. Note the key phrase "prevents the government". Blizzard Entertainment is not a government. God willing they will not become one anytime soon. They are not the United States' government, and thus the First Amendment does not apply to them.It's fine to not like the heavy handed way Blizzard goes about maintaining their game rating. But calling it a violation of free speech is simply ignorant. Blizzard has never said that you have free speech rights on their servers, nor has any legal document forced them to do so. ... and? I fail to see how this stops particular words from being a priori offensive to people. The simple fact is this: having a set of rules makes it easier to enforce the rules. It's much easier to simply ban all uses of the word "Dyke" than to have someone analyze each use to see if it is used in an offensive way. The latter takes far more effort. And, because the inoffensive uses of the word can easily be substituted by other synonyms without losing any communicative ability, there's no real problem with forbidding the use of the word.
Thank you...its amazing to me that people still believe that the 1st Amendment grants them immunity to all criticism and retribution in the private sector for what they say. If you talk shit about my mother in my house, the 1st Amendment doesn't protect you and I reserve the right to kick your ass out. If a pundit on CNN starts talkin shit about Jews, they have every right to terminate his contract. If you post useless, whiny troll posts on TL.net, they can ban you. And finally, if you use words in you custom map that BlizzardActivision doesnt agree with, they can ban it.
Oh, and to all those "sticks and stones" guys who try to justify their usage of offensive slurs, whether they be racist, homophobic, or otherwise, prove to the rest of us that you have never in your life taken offense to something someone has said. Yea, you can be above all that and that is admirable, but you should be able to understand people who take offense to certain words or phrases.
Edit: Oh, but I still feel that banning this map based on a word like "dyke" is kinda stupid. "dyke" is an accepted form of spelling for "dike" meaning a ditch. I havent played this custom tho, so if they were using "dyke" as the derogatory term for lesbian then i guess the ban is understandable.
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On October 13 2010 22:28 kojinshugi wrote:
So because a word is co-opted as a a derogatory term for something, we can't use it?
Not out of context, you can't.
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On October 13 2010 20:46 228zip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 20:29 Zrana wrote:
Don't you guys think it's weird that gay and dyke are banned words? They're not even insults unless you're a homophobe. I wonder if the gay starcraft players feel a bit pissed about it. IIRC, came is also censored. I mean, seriously, came is an obscure way of saying drugs in french, why would it be censored ? Let's not even mention "black" and "white". I don't see how Blizzard expects to launch the Marketplace anytime soon, nobody would want to make a map given the tou.
Came is the past tense of come, which in the US has another meaning besides the one you learn in ESL. Come = cum(ejaculate). Came = ejaculated.
Is it filtered in the US as well I wonder? Or is came a more common French way of referring to drugs than you are letting on?
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Its funny how many porn maps there were for WC3 and then now they are so draconian over anything
honestly considering how hard they censor everything Im almost surprised they didn't go the nintendo method and just forbid anyone from talking to anyone else. Those crazy users could say something that someone somewhere might find offensive BAN HAMMER! They really need to lighten up on the chat filters (and yes I do have them off, but it still effects map publishing.)
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On October 13 2010 21:57 sikyon wrote:
I think it's justified. Battle.net is a large space with lots of users, young and old. It has to take the least offensive road. Do you think kids learn the meaning of the word "dyke" as being a dam or a vertical lava flow first? Do you think that they learn "faggot" as being a bundle of sticks first? I sure as hell didn't.
Now if these words were used in context (ie. "Jim, go blow up that dyke and flood the zerg") I think it would be fine. But nexus word wars has no context.
That's just stupid. The amount of censorship exhibited by Blizzard in ALL their games, not just sc2, should be abhorred.
You used the wrong word in your sentence by the way - "go blow up that dike. Sounds like you need to play more word wars - oh wait, you can't, because Blizzard is staffed by a bunch of sissy prudes.
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was this really necessary? I just dont see this being a big publicity move for them
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Aw man I didn't even get to play that game, hope they make a new version.
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This stance by blizzard is so disgusting to me I've decided not to buy starcraft 2.
I really love the game but I can't morally justify supporting a company that's in such stark contrast to my personal opinions on freedom of speech/expression.
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On October 13 2010 20:46 228zip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 20:29 Zrana wrote:
Don't you guys think it's weird that gay and dyke are banned words? They're not even insults unless you're a homophobe. I wonder if the gay starcraft players feel a bit pissed about it. IIRC, came is also censored. I mean, seriously, came is an obscure way of saying drugs in french, why would it be censored ? Let's not even mention "black" and "white". I don't see how Blizzard expects to launch the Marketplace anytime soon, nobody would want to make a map given the tou.
The reason for came being censored is not the french meaning of the word... However its still ridiculous.
The word "slut" means "the end" or "depleted" in swedish, which is also funny when it gets censored ^^
On October 13 2010 21:57 sikyon wrote:
I think it's justified. Battle.net is a large space with lots of users, young and old. It has to take the least offensive road. Do you think kids learn the meaning of the word "dyke" as being a dam or a vertical lava flow first? Do you think that they learn "faggot" as being a bundle of sticks first? I sure as hell didn't.
Now if these words were used in context (ie. "Jim, go blow up that dyke and flood the zerg") I think it would be fine. But nexus word wars has no context.
I think its absurd for Blizzard to act as some kind of nanny in this regard. At the very least, offensive maps should just get an 18+ tag and people can decide for themselves (assuming they are old enough).
Still, who was ever hurt by learning bad words?=/
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