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Natt
France253 Posts
It's on youtube (french interview).That's too bad i know | ||
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Borked
221 Posts
I know what Poker is thanks. When I was using the word gambling I was just simply trying to categorize it. I didn't know someone would use that word in bold and would get all correcting... I don't want to derail the thread to a "Poker, is it gambling?" discussion but to an average person, if there is money in it, if luck is in it, if it's played with cards, if it's also played in casinos like many other places, it's gambling. Anyway, ElkY is the man. | ||
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Kokujin
United States456 Posts
On October 10 2010 20:11 Fruscainte wrote: For random people, yes, it's at the very basis, gambling. At pro level, I dont think you realize how much skill goes into it. Gambling implies that it's all luck that goes into it; further implying that randoms should always be winning tournaments and not the same people over and over. I may not be a pro, but I think I can safely say that Poker is more about reading your opponents emotions and facial expressions, figuring out potential chance of flops, managing money, than it is getting good hands and hoping to win. I'm learning some basic poker math right now, that gives me probability. Let's say I got a Queen and a King of diamonds, and on the flop there is Jack of diamonds. I am learning to accurately figure out what my chances are, taking into the account of X for my opponents hands, for me getting a flush or a straight (or any mix of the two) on the next two cards. It may be something fun that I'm learning, it may be something at least at the very minimum that pros do. Poker is not gambling. Slots are gambling. lol, this post is very wrong and made me chuckle. even at the 'pro level', poker is widely accepted as a form of gambling. 'reading opponents faces' is certainly an aspect of the game but realistically affects <5% of decisions. | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
More like the opposite. He has a contract with pokerstars and is making a lot of money. If he quit starcraft in the first place it was to be able to focus on poker more. | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
On October 10 2010 20:27 Natt wrote: He recently play an exhib match in Paris, where he clearly stated (after his win) that he would not be part of the SC2 pro-scene. Though, he admit to be eager to play SC2 more, for fun, cos it's so good ya know It's on youtube (french interview).That's too bad i know wait...what?? Where/when did that showmatch happen? Is there a newsletter about this kind of events in Paris ? :D | ||
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Natt
France253 Posts
On October 10 2010 20:41 wantPopRocks wrote: wait...what?? Where/when did that showmatch happen? Is there a newsletter about this kind of events in Paris ? :D lol, it was for the "Salon du Jeuxvidéo" if i remember correctly, it was live commented by Pomf&Thud, 2 famous french caster. Well, you can subscribe to the millenium, aaalive, esportfrance RSS to be aware  | ||
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Dantelew
Canada63 Posts
On October 10 2010 20:11 Fruscainte wrote: For random people, yes, it's at the very basis, gambling. At pro level, I dont think you realize how much skill goes into it. Gambling implies that it's all luck that goes into it; further implying that randoms should always be winning tournaments and not the same people over and over. I may not be a pro, but I think I can safely say that Poker is more about reading your opponents emotions and facial expressions, figuring out potential chance of flops, managing money, than it is getting good hands and hoping to win. I'm learning some basic poker math right now, that gives me probability. Let's say I got a Queen and a King of diamonds, and on the flop there is Jack of diamonds. I am learning to accurately figure out what my chances are, taking into the account of X for my opponents hands, for me getting a flush or a straight (or any mix of the two) on the next two cards. It may be something fun that I'm learning, it may be something at least at the very minimum that pros do. Poker is not gambling. Slots are gambling. I know odds, i know equities, expected value, hand ranges, pot odds, etc. etc. etc. I know how to play winning poker and yes I know how much dedication, skill, and discipline goes into it. That being said, yes you obviously can win in the long run, I know this. It doesnt change the fact that its gambling, but as I said, there are two types of gambling, Postive and negative expected value. Pit games, such as blackjack, have a long term negative expected value, therefore unbeatable. Poker if you play properlty has a positive expected value, therefore if you consistantly make the correct decisions, you can win. If you were to ask Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, hell, even ElkY, you would probably here them say that poker is still gambling. Ill give you a tip though, you say Poker is about reading your opponents emotions and facial expressions? Don't even bother. The only thing you need is discipline, and bankroll management. Poker comes down to making the right decisions the majority of the time, not some "tell" you think you picked up. Anyways thats the last im going to say about it because this thread isn't about that. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
 I love getting my ass kicked by smarter people on here. Perhaps I have a different definition of gambling (where I perceive gambling all luck and just hoping for the best) and I consider anything else a form of skill; in shape or another. But that's neither here nor there. Congrats Elky, best of luck to you! | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
It'll be like the old days except he can live in a nice place (if he wants to) in Korea while training. | ||
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alpha9
14 Posts
I would like to see him trading on financial markets  | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
He's a great guy; I wish him well. | ||
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Kage
India788 Posts
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TheMick
Great Britain164 Posts
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Touch
Canada475 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 10 2010 20:27 Borked wrote: I know what Poker is thanks. When I was using the word gambling I was just simply trying to categorize it. I didn't know someone would use that word in bold and would get all correcting... I don't want to derail the thread to a "Poker, is it gambling?" discussion but to an average person, if there is money in it, if luck is in it, if it's played with cards, if it's also played in casinos like many other places, it's gambling. Anyway, ElkY is the man. No, you don't and the fact that you think you do actually stops you from learning. It is a very common mistake and not just about poker. In any case someone made the point that poker is as risky as gambling. You can't defend that statement by saying that average person think it's gambling. There's no connection between the two. | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
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professorben
United States15 Posts
I used to think that people criticizing the poker-RTS connection were being overly critical, but people have gone way too far in trying to draw connections between the 2. There are a lot more people who have failed in the other realm than have succeeded. At this point, it's seems appropriate to say that there is a light amount of correlation in success between the two, but that anyone who tells you that there is causation is being ridiculous. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
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Tonyoh
France218 Posts
Now he plays for fun (because being among the top is kinda too hard, and he is already making enough money with poker) I think he is overrated, not nearly enough from the SlayerS_Boxer level but he still has a really decent level =) Hope to see him at the french tournaments =) | ||
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