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First pic, free low-quality stream (300k)
Second pic, paid medium-quality stream (500k)
Third pic, what I get (and rest of the Koreans) (HD. dunno bitrate)
I understand the reason Gretech is capping the stream bits. The underwater lines that runs from Korea to rest of the world is seriously capped and there hasn't been line expansions in a while. All the internet connections are managed by KT, and the bandwidth to other countries is further capped if you use internet service providers other than KT.
As Gretech was suggesting (from Torch's thread), they may be preparing for HD streams, and that may mean they're currently undergoing the process of installing some servers outside of Korea, but until then, if they won't allow re-streaming or youtube, the first and second img will be the norm.
Not to be mean-spirited or anything, but I find it funny that Gretech wants to cater to the foreign audience with a paid stream that's worse than free korean streams.
Gretech may want to allow re-streams at least till they can get the HD streams going, but hey, that's just me.
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I'm not complaining. I'm happy that the free stream.
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Couldn't they cut a deal with ustream or a similar provider for the servers they need? Since they just stream at certain time periods and occasions this should probably be cheaper than having a full time solution. Perhaps Octoshape would work with the p2p picking up the slack?
The streams seem decent enough, I can't watch the HD stream quality from Korea in any case. Lags too much, works great from EU/US though.
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Free stream looks a bit bad but whatever it's free. Besides, people will be re-streaming the high/HD anyway.
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Happy with the current setup as well. Also torch already said that GOMTV is working on a free Add supported HD stream.
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Thanks for this info!
Will definately be useful when deciding whether or not to fork out for the HQ stream
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who cares. if you cant tell whats happening on the screen by the low quality one the HD wouldnt help you either
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Maybe I'm a philistine but I'd watch the low quality over the HD to save bandwidth lol. Too bad for ISP download limits.
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I don't think the paid stream looks too bad. I'm definitely going to buy it, if only for the vods.
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I said this in the other thread, but I think it's fine. It's a nice middle ground where they can still make money, which hopefully will help e-sports in the long run, while still letting people watch for free.
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suddenly i dont feel so sure im gonna watch GSL.
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Anything except korea HD looks like utter garbage. Worse than what you'd find on the internet 5 years ago.
Isn't technology supposed to be moving forward?
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Stream quality seems fine for a free stream.
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What you guys are forgetting is that unit/resource counter is pretty much unrecognizable in the foreign streams.
That leaves understanding what's going on in the match completely in the hands of the casters. That's okay if you just turn the streams on and work on other stuff like me, but it'll matter to those who play this game seriously and wants to see/predict everything in the game.
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Fair enough! I will definitely pay for better quality, hoping they can upgrade to the Korean quality soon 
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Should HD stream out of korea, and restream from somehwere else in same quality, would cost them less.
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quality is fine for free-stream, i just hope there wont be too many lags
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the quality of usual BW stream is in between the low & high imo, not to mention the the graphic in SC2 is 50x better than BW (which means it's easier to notice visual quality differences)
so well, I wont complain. still better than nothing
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The low quality stream is a bit ugly but it's ok because it's free.
I hope we will be able to find low quality vod for free.
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The free stream looks like when I havent cleaned my glasses for a while. Unacceptable for an event of this magnitude. The biggest tournament should have the best stream quality. Why it should be difficult to have the stream "beamed" to a location outside Korea and then redistributed in full quality from there is beyond me.
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On September 04 2010 01:00 Rabiator wrote:
The free stream looks like when I havent cleaned my glasses for a while. Unacceptable for an event of this magnitude. The biggest tournament should have the best stream quality. Why it should be difficult to have the stream "beamed" to a location outside Korea and then redistributed in full quality from there is beyond me.
Honestly I'll check and see if the quality is really that bad during the event but if it is I'm going to be skipping this one. I'm not about to pay money to watch a tournament either when I can watch plenty of SC2 for free... or just play.
I know people are going to jump on me because I'm "not supporting e-sports" but I don't particularly care about that. I just like watching SC2 matches.
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To see demos of the stream and vod quality go here:
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/premiumzone/VideoSpecs.php
You will need to download the gomtv player, it's free and installs in a few seconds.
I think the quality of the streams (both the free version and the premium version) is alright. Hoping the higher quality vods become available soon but i can live with the 500k for now and have decided to definitely purchase the $20 stream+vod deal as soon as they put it up on their website.
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I have stayed up all night and gone to work on no sleep watching pixelated slide shows with non-english casting that had to be refreshed every 3 minutes just to watch BW games i wanted to see.
Gom stream is completely and totally fine. In fact, its a blessing.
BTW, the OP pics make the streams look worse than they really are. I have done a check on all those setting and its not as bad as he is making it look. On my screen 300 looks better than 500 looks in the OP.
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On September 04 2010 01:00 Rabiator wrote:
The free stream looks like when I havent cleaned my glasses for a while. Unacceptable for an event of this magnitude. The biggest tournament should have the best stream quality. Why it should be difficult to have the stream "beamed" to a location outside Korea and then redistributed in full quality from there is beyond me.
It's simple, GomTV understands that it will be difficulty to stream lagless from Korea (be it in low or high quality) so they rented a US server to be able to broadcast in Low/High quality to the rest of the world. By default the network settings of the OSes are not suitable for high-speed transfers over a single session over high-latency links, that's why you cant just stream HD-video off your US West Coast server because it will be laggy for most of the people outside America, who haven't tuned their network settings. To broadcast in HD (you will probably need 3-4Mbit bitrate for the video to look good) worldwide without lag you will need a CDN, which costs money.
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On September 04 2010 00:26 Redmark wrote:
Maybe I'm a philistine but I'd watch the low quality over the HD to save bandwidth lol. Too bad for ISP download limits.
I too would go the same route as Canadian ISPs suck the big one when it comes down to bw limits.
Anyways, I am used to lower quality vids.
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Quality is actually quite good :o I mean it's free and even for that we had to fight. I'm pleased with it
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MLG's free stream looked much MUCH better..but whatever. Atleast i get to watch.
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On September 04 2010 01:15 Dionyseus wrote:To see demos of the stream and vod quality go here: http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/premiumzone/VideoSpecs.phpYou will need to download the gomtv player, it's free and installs in a few seconds. I think the quality of the streams (both the free version and the premium version) is alright. Hoping the higher quality vods become available soon but i can live with the 500k for now and have decided to definitely purchase the $20 stream+vod deal as soon as they put it up on their website.
I feel stupid, I don't see any differnce?
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You want better quality you pay for it. As long as the games are legible for free I think it's unreasonable for people to ask for more.
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I can see the units, and have a fairly decent understanding of whats doing on.
All I need 
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The low quality stream does seem really low... but it is free so I won't complain. However, they should've definitely upped the paid stream to like 1000Kbps at the very least. I'd feel kinda shafted if I paid for that, and you can barely even make out the supply counts.
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It's free and it's a stream. Better than no stream? YES PLS
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my question is can the free one be uploaded to youtube without being taken down.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:56 Arceus wrote:
the quality of usual BW stream is in between the low & high imo, not to mention the the graphic in SC2 is 50x better than BW (which means it's easier to notice visual quality differences)
so well, I wont complain. still better than nothing
Absolutely not. If you've ever seen a real BW stream that's not restreamed on Livestream/Ustream, then you'd know that straight up not even the High compares to BW streams. I've even seen 3000k streams on Afreeca before. Crystal clear and crisp, was ridiculous.
But a shitty stream is better than no stream.
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This is better than nothing or paying the $50. Anyone who wants better should pay for the quality boost. I'm fine with this.
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On September 04 2010 02:33 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 00:56 Arceus wrote:
the quality of usual BW stream is in between the low & high imo, not to mention the the graphic in SC2 is 50x better than BW (which means it's easier to notice visual quality differences)
so well, I wont complain. still better than nothing Absolutely not. If you've ever seen a real BW stream that's not restreamed on Livestream/Ustream, then you'd know that straight up not even the High compares to BW streams. I've even seen 3000k streams on Afreeca before. Crystal clear and crisp, was ridiculous. But a shitty stream is better than no stream.
500k SC2 looks far better than 3000k BW imo.
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When taking into account that its SC2 and the graphics are way better than BW, and also since tasteless and artosis will be casting this, I dont see any issue. Will probably be even easier to follow then a koreak speaking guy explaining a game with terrible graphics even if its in HD.
(I mean, seriously, whats the point with crisp clean stream for BW ?)
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so the idra match is on at 3am pst? somebody clear this up for me please.
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On September 04 2010 00:40 gaggar wrote:
What you guys are forgetting is that unit/resource counter is pretty much unrecognizable in the foreign streams.
That leaves understanding what's going on in the match completely in the hands of the casters. That's okay if you just turn the streams on and work on other stuff like me, but it'll matter to those who play this game seriously and wants to see/predict everything in the game.
Surely they'll have the ability to use the English client for casting the games - I mean, I'm pretty sure that's what that KevinAce guy said what the foreigners used to play during the offline prelims.
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Hyrule19150 Posts
Whoever suggested using octo needs to be beaten up. Octo is awful.
But like I said in TorcH's thread, now that its $20 instead of $overpriced I'll probably buy the High/VOD ticket.
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Looks like I'm getting up early on a Saturday morning to watch cartoons Idra snap some blurry necks.
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On September 04 2010 02:49 Vaporized wrote:
so the idra match is on at 3am pst? somebody clear this up for me please.
yes
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I'm just happy that we have a free stream. Not much complaining by me especially since I'm not paying.
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Free stream should be fine...
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On September 04 2010 00:16 telamascope wrote:
I'm not complaining. I'm happy that the free stream.
Yup this, and considering thechange I've been thinking about just buying the premium stream. I'm liking Gom quite a bit.
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anyone else have the gom site not load for them? It keeps 404ing..
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Free stream will be okay to watch. Sure it's blurry, but sound quality is fine and you see most of what's going on. Numbers are hard to read but should be okay with commentary. It's free anyway.
I will buy the premium stream 2nd day and onwards if the 1st went well with no lag.
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We are just happy to hear Tastless and Artosis casting. I wouldn't complain about quality, since it is understandable.
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On September 04 2010 02:33 Roffles wrote:
a shitty stream is better than no stream.
'nuff said.
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thanx gom, i'll gladly accept the free sq (shitty quality) stream
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as long as i can tell what's going on i'm happy with the low quality stream.
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I'm satisfied with any stream if it's free. Also Tastosis is casting so we'll know what's going on even if we can't see it :D
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holy shit I just tested my connection it's at 2300kb/s I did not expect that! will probably buy the 20$ HQ + VOD ticket
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On September 04 2010 02:36 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:33 Roffles wrote:On September 04 2010 00:56 Arceus wrote:
the quality of usual BW stream is in between the low & high imo, not to mention the the graphic in SC2 is 50x better than BW (which means it's easier to notice visual quality differences)
so well, I wont complain. still better than nothing Absolutely not. If you've ever seen a real BW stream that's not restreamed on Livestream/Ustream, then you'd know that straight up not even the High compares to BW streams. I've even seen 3000k streams on Afreeca before. Crystal clear and crisp, was ridiculous. But a shitty stream is better than no stream. 500k SC2 looks far better than 3000k BW imo.
Okay. Keep telling yourself that.
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Already paid for the HQ stream (after price drop of course). Very pleased at the SS of that quality level. I don't need HD, but LQ streams are always just so bad, you can't even really see the micro.
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On September 04 2010 02:34 Alou wrote:
This is better than nothing or paying the $50. Anyone who wants better should pay for the quality boost. I'm fine with this.
And this is why marketing strategies work. Believe what you want about their intentions, just from reading the recent threads on TL, it's apparent that if they did plan this marketing strategy, it was wildly successful.
The free stream's quality is awful. The paid stream's quality isn't bad but is pretty awful for having to pay $20 to see it. I would have expected the free stream to be around "High" quality and the paid stream to be HD quality.
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On September 04 2010 01:26 Manaldski wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 01:00 Rabiator wrote:
The free stream looks like when I havent cleaned my glasses for a while. Unacceptable for an event of this magnitude. The biggest tournament should have the best stream quality. Why it should be difficult to have the stream "beamed" to a location outside Korea and then redistributed in full quality from there is beyond me. It's simple, GomTV understands that it will be difficulty to stream lagless from Korea (be it in low or high quality) so they rented a US server to be able to broadcast in Low/High quality to the rest of the world. By default the network settings of the OSes are not suitable for high-speed transfers over a single session over high-latency links, that's why you cant just stream HD-video off your US West Coast server because it will be laggy for most of the people outside America, who haven't tuned their network settings. To broadcast in HD (you will probably need 3-4Mbit bitrate for the video to look good) worldwide without lag you will need a CDN, which costs money.
TheGunrun demonstrated the "high" stream quality [500k] and then showed his own one for GLHF.tv [1.4M] and it was a big and visible difference. They are doing FREE streams already in his quality and I think he said he would be willing to stream it if he was asked, so go figure why I think that some people simply want to make money and simply give excuses for putting out a crappy free stream and make people pay for "high" quality.
We already had some pretty big tournaments with free super high quality streams during the beta and I doubt the number of viewers will be much bigger than that and it worked and did not require any special super upload streamer.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On September 04 2010 02:36 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 02:33 Roffles wrote:On September 04 2010 00:56 Arceus wrote:
the quality of usual BW stream is in between the low & high imo, not to mention the the graphic in SC2 is 50x better than BW (which means it's easier to notice visual quality differences)
so well, I wont complain. still better than nothing Absolutely not. If you've ever seen a real BW stream that's not restreamed on Livestream/Ustream, then you'd know that straight up not even the High compares to BW streams. I've even seen 3000k streams on Afreeca before. Crystal clear and crisp, was ridiculous. But a shitty stream is better than no stream. 500k SC2 looks far better than 3000k BW imo.
In terms of clarity, no.
Maybe if you think shiny things make it look better then okay.
I don't even think you've seen a 3000k BW stream tbh.
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To those of you who are stating: "oh we can just put it on ustream it will be fine." Realize that gom's main product is the gom media player, and putting something like this on ustream will defeat the purpose of trying to spread their product. At this point low quality stream is fine since this is their first entry into sc2 tournaments. They already stated they are trying to get higher quality but it is expensive to stream that high quality video through their own media player.
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I hope someone restreams tomorrow.
GomTV has always given me problems.
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I envy those who can watch the HD Stream.
I hope one day the infrastructure will allow foreigners to watch that too, maybe for next season. I'd gladly pay $50 for non laggy HD feed.
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Since I am never going to be up at 5am to watch the games with my full time job, I purchased a pass so I could view all the VODs. VOD quality is really quite shoddy, but I want to make sure it's not just my setup (Win7, ATI 5770). I did try with Firefox, Chrome, and IE, all yielded the same result. The VODs are completely unfiltered, there is no scaling/smoothing, it looks like Flash with "low quality" selected, even though flash is correctly set to high quality.
![[image loading]](http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/Demi9OD/plugin-container2010-09-0614-02-06-86.jpg)
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Well I watched the free stream and I´m happy with the quality. Wont complain as long as it runs smoothly and I can see whats going on and the stream run fine for me most of the time.
But if GSL is really successfull maybe they will aquire servers in the us and eu to stream from. But for that they either have to get a lot of viewers or sell a lot of tickets I guess.
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i Bought the 20$ package to watch VODs and it is NOT worth it. quality of vods is same as low quality stream. For 20$ a month i expect HD period, nothing else. ESL was 3.5 euro per month for MUCH better quality.
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When i paid my account i was expecting HD vods/stream...
I'm disappoint...I wont pay again.
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I agree that HD streams and VOD's would be nice but why not read what are you buying before you buy them? If I remember correctly they do say the stream is HQ and HD and only 600? or was it 500?
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On September 08 2010 00:30 Piski wrote:
I agree that HD streams and VOD's would be nice but why not read what are you buying before you buy them? If I remember correctly they do say the stream is HQ and HD and only 600? or was it 500?
I DID read before i bought it and VODs were suppose to be 500, not 300.
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It's quite blurry but it's free so I don't have any problems with it. If I had any extra money to throw around I would pay for HQ though.
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Something that's mildly irritating is that the HD streams will only work in the GOM media player which is Windows only, what about people who want to watch on mac/linux/mobile devices?
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Getting my salary next week and was planning to buy premium service but if it's quality like low stream then I won't bother yet.
I'll be better off waiting for next season which hopefully will be successfull and with better streams.
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I'm really disappointed. Blizzard is definitely losing their reputation for quality with SC2.
I know many people have said that SC:BW could never become as popular a game as SC2 because of the graphics but when the stream quality is this bad it makes no difference.
Gomtv and Blizzard should have made a partner like glhf.tv to stream to non-Koreans. Either they didn't have time or they're all just terrible at their jobs. Probably both.
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On September 08 2010 00:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Gomtv and Blizzard should have made a partner like glhf.tv to stream to non-Koreans.
<3
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I was very happy with the SQ stream today(except for it crashing once), the quality is great for a free stream.
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I payed the $20 before the first day, and so far I have gotten about 50% of my value.
First day, HQ unusable all day.
Second day HQ usable first 4 games.
Third day, HQ usable last 3 games. (Did they tune down free stream?)
Several times, the video has skipped for several minutes, meaning that I miss big parts of some of the games.
Video quality on HQ is about what i expected, still far away from HD. Vods are really bad quality, that is very disappointing.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Been able to use HQ no issues except for Day 1. But the VODs are pretty poor quality, and even on the HQ stream, I can barely make out the unit counting station as well as hit points and whatnot.
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I paid $20 just for the VODs and I would like HD in the future but it's passable for now. At least it's wide format.
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the paid quality is better then the one from MLG raleigh!
edit: plus its way more matches to watch for the money
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TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen
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I'll add my 2 cents here. I am interested in watching the tournament. Watching the streams is out of the question due to the time difference. I would like to watch some of the VODs if the price and quality is reasonable. I will not watch all or even close to all because of time constraints. While the price cut was good $20 still seems high for mediocre quality when I will only watch maybe 10 of them. I don't feel GSL is offering any sort of option that I am interested in. I'd rather not watch illegal VODs or restreams but it seems like I have to do that or not watch at all. I should add that video quality is pretty important to me, if it's not at least 720p I'm not going to watch it. I may be an unusual demographic but Gretech may want to do some market research on this.
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i like the paid stream, usually when i can figure out food and resource counts im happy
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8751 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen
Restreaming issue aside, TL is a huge help to GSL just by gathering so many StarCraft fans and making news posts about the tournament. How exactly is GSL advertising outside of Korea? I haven't heard of anything. It seems like their plan is to just announce their tournament and let SC news sites gather all their customers for them.
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I really wish US got HD, at least for the VODs. Oh well I still love it, $20 was definitely worth it.
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I'm paying for the HD stream. I don't care it is grainy as I have a low speed internet anyway. However the stream being choppy and saying the stream is full in unacceptable.
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im kind of disappointed that they dont have higher quality vods for the premium users especially after seeing what the koreans get to see =_='
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On September 08 2010 09:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen Restreaming issue aside, TL is a huge help to GSL just by gathering so many StarCraft fans and making news posts about the tournament. How exactly is GSL advertising outside of Korea? I haven't heard of anything. It seems like their plan is to just announce their tournament and let SC news sites gather all their customers for them.
irregardless. the stream wont improve if gom's viewer count doesn't improve.
at the very least there should be consistant reminders that if you CAN watch the direct stream you SHOULD.
it's nice to have the restreams there for people having problems. but i worry people who can watch the direct stream fine are just watching restreams
and to almost everyone in this thread
as gom's viewer count increases so will the quality of the stream.
if gom can actually pick up some international advertisers for the ad breaks im betting they will increase the quality then aswell
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Bought the stream, mostly for video, and imo the quality is not bad. HD would be nice, I would take it for the VOD only if they could do that. 20$ was worth it.
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On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen
It's not our fault GomTV's client ruins our PCs.
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the free stream is really good for as long as it doesn't crash and then you get blocked from restarting it because there's too many viewers T_T
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I bought the HQ for $20, so far it's been unwatchable about half the time (stuttery), the rest of it has been okay and noticeably better than the LQ free stream.
Difficult to judge whether it's worth it or not, considering the amazing HQ stream provided by GLHF for free and the relatively cheap HQ streams from the MLG and ESL are comparatively much better. Yet, I'd still say $20 for the amount of hours of entertainment you get compared to any pay per view TV event or even going to see a movie or something is worth it.
Overall they are working to get their shit together but they could still do much better, they need to swallow their pride and hire the guys at GLHF to restream... I'm not sure what GLHF would charge but it's got to be considerably less than paying to set up the infrastructure to do the whole thing yourself. Even if they struck a deal with GLHF to split the money with them for providing a HQ stream for $20 would definitely be something I think a lot of people would be happy to pay for.
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$20 a month is ridiculous. Thats more than HBO costs. And its not even HD.
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I paid for it and usually watch at least the first 2 games before I go to sleep then watch the vods after work then repeat. I also have never ran into any issues with lag/stuttering.
I also agree that TL shouldn't allow streamers to be listed that re-stream the game(at minimum not on the first page). It really is only hurting the growth of starcraft 2.
Restreaming issue aside, TL is a huge help to GSL just by gathering so many StarCraft fans and making news posts about the tournament. How exactly is GSL advertising outside of Korea? I haven't heard of anything. It seems like their plan is to just announce their tournament and let SC news sites gather all their customers for them.
I agree with this as well, gomtv can't really complain as without TL they would loose at least 80% of foreign exposer.
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On September 08 2010 10:48 fantomex wrote:
$20 a month is ridiculous. Thats more than HBO costs. And its not even HD.
frankly i paid $20 simply to support them.
i didn't pay to get access to anything
running a stream costs alot of money and currently the english stream is just a MASSIVE expense for gom. they dont have any advertising or sponsers for it. the only money they get to cover the stream comes from that $20 people pay and i doubt that even covers it.
please support it if you want to see it continue.
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On September 08 2010 10:48 fantomex wrote:
$20 a month is ridiculous. Thats more than HBO costs. And its not even HD.
Ah but to have HBO you need a cable tv package and those aren't exactly cheap. With GomTV you can watch the vods whenever you want, can't do that with HBO. Besides HBO doesn't cover SC2 matches anyways ;p
$20 isn't a lot of money, it's 66 cents a day, or about 3 mcdonald meals, or 1 large pizza. It's less than three hours of work at the federal minimum wage (well at least in the United States it is). It's about $30 cheaper than most current-gen video games and most video games only entertain you for a month at most. And best of all you'd be supporting international esports, this is the best chance esports has ever had of becoming global.
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Hopefully they come out with a yearly package, so you could just buy 12months for like 50$ instead of 20$ per month.
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Restreaming won't begin hurting GOM until their stream can actually handle the load and not block out viewers for hitting their cap.
Also, until GOM finishes the GSL iPhone app they claim to be making, restreams are the only way to watch it on iPhone.
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Considering their servers were permanently maxed out on connections, how could they have lost any viewers to re-streams when they could not have handled those viewers in the first place?
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I found the quality of the SQ stream to be very very nice actually, I could read the names of units, and buildings/units were very easy to see clearly(I could even see the wings on lings :3).
But, I really do say people need to watch it from the Gom player if they can, as it will only help GomTV keep making more GSLs(And make them better).
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On September 08 2010 13:00 Seam wrote:
I found the quality of the SQ stream to be very very nice actually, I could read the names of units, and buildings/units were very easy to see clearly(I could even see the wings on lings :3).
But, I really do say people need to watch it from the Gom player if they can, as it will only help GomTV keep making more GSLs(And make them better).
Nobody is saying otherwise. The problem is that GOM's stream can't handle the viewers so they have to go elsewhere. The restreams are probably the one of the main reasons interest in this event is still alive. If only a quarter of the people trying to watch it could watch it, people would just start to ignore it and probably not bother coming back in a few months when they get their act together. The restreams are saving their viewership.
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Osaka27154 Posts
On September 08 2010 00:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Gomtv and Blizzard should have made a partner like glhf.tv to stream to non-Koreans. Either they didn't have time or they're all just terrible at their jobs. Probably both.
This is really the biggest issue. From personal experience with communicating with GOM, they do not have the personal, expertise, or vision to cater to a market outside Korea. Their plans extended to hiring two foreigners to talk and setting up a PPV website. The end.
That being said, GOM and Blizzard is a partnership for the Korean scene that we happen to be interested in, not an international endeavor. The only reason they are in bed together in the first place is to break kespa.
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Osaka27154 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen
I can assure you that TL has helped more than hurt the GSL.
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I doubt most people would even know the GSL was happening if it wasn't for TL. It's not like GOM advertises itself, TL is the only good source of Korean Starcraft news.
In fact, I have no idea how anyone would learn about the GSL if TL didn't tell us about it. Other sites just steal news from TL when it comes to Korean events.
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I've been viewing the restreams because China isn't allowed to view the gomtv.net feeds. Does this mean I'm allowed to view the korean HQ videos? hmmmm
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On September 08 2010 13:42 mcneebs wrote:
I've been viewing the restreams because China isn't allowed to view the gomtv.net feeds. Does this mean I'm allowed to view the korean HQ videos? hmmmm
What? Why would China ban chinese from watching korean e-sports? Then again they did block blizzard's World of Warcraft ip for months...
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No, GOM is preventing me from viewing the videos. They're saying that the "service is not available in my reigon". I can watch livestream, but not blip.tv or ustream (no day 9 for me )
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I'm completely happy with the LQ free stream(as long as it works). I don't need to see every high quality piece, as long as it's clear enough to see units. Sure the HQ is great, but LQ is more than enough. If it was so low quality you could hardly make anything out I might buy HQ, but atleast ATM LQ is good. Ty GOM
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What I don't understand is why the VODs are such low quality (same as "high") for people who paid $20 for the season ticket.
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On September 08 2010 10:19 MavercK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 09:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen Restreaming issue aside, TL is a huge help to GSL just by gathering so many StarCraft fans and making news posts about the tournament. How exactly is GSL advertising outside of Korea? I haven't heard of anything. It seems like their plan is to just announce their tournament and let SC news sites gather all their customers for them. irregardless. the stream wont improve if gom's viewer count doesn't improve. at the very least there should be consistant reminders that if you CAN watch the direct stream you SHOULD. it's nice to have the restreams there for people having problems. but i worry people who can watch the direct stream fine are just watching restreams and to almost everyone in this thread as gom's viewer count increases so will the quality of the stream. if gom can actually pick up some international advertisers for the ad breaks im betting they will increase the quality then aswell
While that seems like a reasonable assumption, it is still assumption. Unless GOM comes out and states why the quality is so bad we don't know if it's a money issue or not. Didn't Blizzard partner up with GOM to kill off Kespa? In that type of situation you should be prepared to invest enough start up money to make sure it succeeds. If you have a reasonably good system the VODs are really just painful to watch right now.
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On September 08 2010 18:54 Grond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2010 10:19 MavercK wrote:On September 08 2010 09:38 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On September 08 2010 02:28 Nokeboy wrote:
TL is only hurting the GSL. Teamliquid needs to refuse to put restreams on front page. There is like over 5k people usually in a restream. If GSL actually got them numbers, better things could happen Restreaming issue aside, TL is a huge help to GSL just by gathering so many StarCraft fans and making news posts about the tournament. How exactly is GSL advertising outside of Korea? I haven't heard of anything. It seems like their plan is to just announce their tournament and let SC news sites gather all their customers for them. irregardless. the stream wont improve if gom's viewer count doesn't improve. at the very least there should be consistant reminders that if you CAN watch the direct stream you SHOULD. it's nice to have the restreams there for people having problems. but i worry people who can watch the direct stream fine are just watching restreams and to almost everyone in this thread as gom's viewer count increases so will the quality of the stream. if gom can actually pick up some international advertisers for the ad breaks im betting they will increase the quality then aswell While that seems like a reasonable assumption, it is still assumption. Unless GOM comes out and states why the quality is so bad we don't know if it's a money issue or not. Didn't Blizzard partner up with GOM to kill off Kespa? In that type of situation you should be prepared to invest enough start up money to make sure it succeeds. If you have a reasonably good system the VODs are really just painful to watch right now.
"irregardless" isn't a word.
And it's a catch-22. The stream won't get better quality without more viewers, and it won't get more viewers until it's better quality.
Also, I'm not sure why the VOD quality is so bad. They should be able to show those at Korean HD quality no problem (aha, but they use GOMPlayer instead of allowing downloads!)
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Just try to hit up the gomtv site once in a while, while watching a restream.
They register the hits, and see that their capacities are at the limit.
And i'd only wish the VODs were better quality. Seems worse than the HQ stream.
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The quality of the free stream is almost perfect for me. Note that it varies a little, so you get a much better picture from time to time, than the one in the OP.
It's also very light. For example, I actually can't watch Day9 dailies live without major difficulties, because they are so heavy on traffic and cpu lately, with this hd quality.
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On September 08 2010 20:31 tofucake wrote:
And it's a catch-22. The stream won't get better quality without more viewers, and it won't get more viewers until it's better quality.
Also, I'm not sure why the VOD quality is so bad. They should be able to show those at Korean HD quality no problem (aha, but they use GOMPlayer instead of allowing downloads!)
We don't know that the VOD problem is a bandwidth issue. It could be an encoding issue. The VOD quality is incredibly poor, I can't read a single number on the screen. Since the VODs don't have to be hosted in Korea they should be higher quality than the stream, not lower quality.
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Maybe Blizz is waiting on someone big like MLG to express interest in managing SCII for the West.
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On September 08 2010 14:06 Reason.SC2 wrote:
What I don't understand is why the VODs are such low quality (same as "high") for people who paid $20 for the season ticket.
If it was only that good quality, but the VODs look pretty much like the free stream during the games.
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how can i configure properly my GOMplayer to get better quality ?
in HD is horrible.
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Now that the price is $20 for Stream and VoDs I have no problem paying. And I have been loving this tournament ... even if there are only 6 zerg left 
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Cant even get to watch the stream, why would I purchase premium. second night in a row max users met.
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Ya it's still maxing out. You'd think they would try to increase stream capacity when they max out every day...
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On September 15 2010 18:34 Phayze wrote:
Cant even get to watch the stream, why would I purchase premium. second night in a row max users met.
You have priority as a premium user. Never had a "stream full" message.
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The qualitiy is rising really promising, I am thinking of purchasing a package next season (if I have time to watch live, timezones suck... )
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I've been fine watching the free stream, it's no worse than watching broodwar on Livestream as the only things you can't really make out are the numbers and smaller images.
Anything important you can see anyways.
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I dont see how they cant get HD streams around the world.
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Low quality is total garbage, i wouldnt be watching it even if they pay me to.. The HD in europe is garbage as well, since you have to pay to get that crap.. I mean i pay for my IP television - HD- 7 euro per month and i have 7 HD channels, but HIGH DEFINITION CHANNELS not this utter garbage..
This korean HD looks better, but still.. Its 2010.. and low quality stream looks way way worse then sc1 game comeon..
edit: yes its free.. but comeon, there should be a limit to what garbage they send
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Slightly grunching here, but I don't know where OP got his images from. This is what I see:
HQ Stream:
![[image loading]](http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll31/Rokke1974/GOM_hq.jpg)
SQ Stream:
![[image loading]](http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll31/Rokke1974/GOM_sq.jpg)
The HQ stream is barely watchable, but I realise Korea is far away. This is just a heads-up to people who see the images in the OP and think that is what it looks like.
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Barely watchable is pushing it imo! It's not great quality but it's not bad - definitely watchable - and the VoD tickets are great for all the days I miss.
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I'm watching the free stream everyday and i'm not missing anything that i would gain with the HD stream, people are too focused on the "HQ" tag and think "gotta have that" imo :<
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On September 16 2010 18:48 Immersion_ wrote:Barely watchable is pushing it imo! It's not great quality but it's not bad - definitely watchable - and the VoD tickets are great for all the days I miss.
If you even bothered to click the images, you can see that it's really hard to make out what units are on the screen on the low quality stream.
I'm not hating on the stream itself, though. I am hating on people posting here who obviously work for GOM.
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Soo Maxijazzeee's youtube channel finally got taken down . Does anyone know of an alternative? Pm me.
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On September 16 2010 19:56 Rokke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2010 18:48 Immersion_ wrote:Barely watchable is pushing it imo! It's not great quality but it's not bad - definitely watchable - and the VoD tickets are great for all the days I miss. If you even bothered to click the images, you can see that it's really hard to make out what units are on the screen on the low quality stream. I'm not hating on the stream itself, though. I am hating on people posting here who obviously work for GOM.
Your images are really strange. I get far better quality than your stuff.
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On September 16 2010 23:13 cory1234 wrote:Soo Maxijazzeee's youtube channel finally got taken down . Does anyone know of an alternative? Pm me.
You should really watch the video on the Gom site or pay for the service. These events need customers to run... re streaming the VODs or watching them on youtube is only killing E sports.
Buy the HD, defiantly watchable. People who say it isn't are picky as hell. I can clearly see what is going on and the unit counting station is very readable. Gom has done a great job with this event, I just really hope lots of people are buying the service so they know it!
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first:
when the pictures are moving the quality doesnt has to be as high as when theyre not. thats why the pictures seem to look worse then your stream: they dont!
screencap your stream and look and the stillstanding pictures, you will realize that its the same
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and here i am thinking that tl used pictures from the free stream for their battlereport-thread.
lol, the paid stream isnt any better (only the colors seem to be brighter)
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There's no reason they can't put 1080p VODs.
It is not readable, or followable, or a pleasant viewing experience at the crap quality it is.
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