EPTI'm glad to see you putting in so much effort despite the games you should be practicing for. Best of luck with your matches!
You have restored my faith in GOM once again.
[GSL Stream] Gom doesnt concede, they Listen&Care! - Page 3
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Starlink
United States35 Posts
I'm glad to see you putting in so much effort despite the games you should be practicing for. Best of luck with your matches! You have restored my faith in GOM once again. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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wacksteven
United States139 Posts
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:41 figq wrote: Good to know, thank you. Hope they get bigger sponsors soon. p.s. Also, gl Torch, and the other foreigners. I'm afraid the reactions towards GOM and GSL have been taken personally as reactions towards your success in this great league, which wasn't the case. ...Of course that's the goal. Would it make sense if they said, "A $500 dollar/game, ad supported, 360p stream is the goal"? I don't think so. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote: I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand. You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. I don't think that that was sarcastic at all. He's just saying that you should make a new thread about it on GOM's website and have people respond, rather than posting about it here. Obviously 1000+ comments is not realistic but he probably just wrote a random number. | ||
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imperator-xy
Germany1366 Posts
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jamvng
Canada244 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote: I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand. You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. So are OSL and MSL. That never stopped Nevake and Jon's youtube accounts, and various streamers on this website. He's just saying that re-streaming is illegal. It doesn't and won't stop people from doing it, but it won't be supporting GOM and what they are doing for Esports if everyone starts restreaming. | ||
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TorcH
United States113 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:49 gaggar wrote: I don't see why a sarcasm would be necessary but I'm just trying to see how this will work out for foreign viewers. I wouldn't care otherwise because I'm a Korean in Korea and I get to see these stuff for free, first hand. You know, foreign audiences in this fragile sports is still very few in numbers. It's nowhere near even less-popular sports like Curling outside of Korea. If Gretech really wanted to expand their market beyond the peninsula, this is a terrible first move. If they allowed re-streams, at the very least, it would be a huge boost to the scene. So are OSL and MSL. That never stopped Nevake and Jon's youtube accounts, and various streamers on this website. Sorry Gaggar, that was not meant to be sarcastic. I was merely trying to draw a parallel to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149242¤tpage=81. The message I was trying to get across is that unlike OGN/MBC, GomTV wants to cater to the foreign audience as much as the Korean one and re-streaming won't help them do that. If there is something that a re-stream would provide that the legit stream doesn't, then we should work to make the legit stream possess that missing factor. Providing honest and frequent feedback will help to do this and that is what I'm urging people to do. | ||
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UneXpecT
Canada6 Posts
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XiaN
Germany162 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:44 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: torch community hero gom not that evil TL wins again great news 5 mins after getting out of bed ~ That was exactly my thought when i woke up an read it while drinking my morning coffee :D | ||
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some_noob
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figq
12519 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:55 APurpleCow wrote: It would make sense if they said their goal was to provide mediocre quality for free, and always reserve their best quality for paid premium. Regards....Of course that's the goal. Would it make sense if they said, "A $500 dollar/game, ad supported, 360p stream is the goal"? I don't think so. | ||
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On September 03 2010 23:15 TorcH wrote: From the beginning, the PPV method was never a money-making scheme and GomTV should not be compared to Kespa/OGN/MBC for any reason (good or bad). They are trying to learn from the mistakes of their counterparts, but also adopt the successful attributes as they can. What Junkka (GomTV rep and very manner fellow) has stated in his posts about the cost going to cover the stream itself is very true. It was simply because they were not aware of any alternatives at the time. We all know it was not the wisest or most researched decision to make, but they now have other options which they are pursuing in order to do what is best for the community as a whole. It is not because they “tried to squeeze e-sports dry” (or any other similar ideas) and failed, but because, as Junkka said, they are extremely understaffed while still trying to run one of the largest (and hopefully one of the best) e-Sports events in history. This makes me wonder why there were no alternatives at the time. If they are unorganized, understaffed or don't have a plan, then why is that? Do you know why they commit so little resources to this in comparison to the huge prize pool? Also, don’t necessarily expect anything official to come out for a little while, they are still working to provide an even better solution then what we are seeing now and may not want to make a statement they would once again have to retract. They recognize that while the additional US servers they are providing will help tremendously (as can be seen by the “Bandwidth Check” differences between yesterday and today), there is still a long way to go before everyone can receive ideal coverage of the event. Well, let's hope they can come up with something nice.  Addressing a few common comments in the various threads: 4. A fully, free, ad-supported, true-HD stream is the goal, but keep in mind this is EXTREMELY short notice to run a tournament of this scale on *repeat* a very understaffed team. Saying things like “they should just get sponsors, it’d pay for itself” is completely known to them, but you have to have a marketing team already set and able to present your product to *foreign* (most employees speak no, or very little, English) companies that may have never heard of E-Sports before. This scares me a little. Not only are they apparently understaffed but to me it seems that they don't even have a business plan or model if there's no marketing team? If they are doing everything on the fly, I hope that there won't be any difficulties with the tournament or the streams because this could potentially be disastrous. | ||
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Solai
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
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foo
Australia109 Posts
Awesome, another foreign competitor in the comp who i really feel LOVES the SC2 esports... Another name to watch as the comp goes on.. GOOD LUCK TORCH!! thank you for this post! | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On September 04 2010 00:00 some_noob wrote: obvious door-in-the-face strategy by gomtv Then don't watch, cynic. Thanks Torch for the writeup and the explanations. | ||
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RagnaRock
Poland76 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
We should probably pre-empt this problem and try to watch restreams as much as possible, especially considering it seems they aren't concerned about ad revenue. | ||
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