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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:33 Clipped wrote: Where is that free "Kespa" English commented stream you're talking about ? Where did I mention an english stream for Kespa? Completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. | ||
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warrior6
Canada18 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:44 Or-a wrote: Because the GSL has the most money invested into it at this point and has the most outgoing income. They're setting up for a huge BW-esque scene and if you don't pay then they can't continue to do more of these sorts of tournaments.. Which for competitive scene and spectators isn't good. On the other hand the prices are a LITTLE overpriced however I'm still willing to pay.  Perhaps someone will make an event out of the spectating as not everyone is willing to pay?ignorance ftw they can charge no money and still be able to put on events like this. they are just milking everyone for $$ | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
As it is now, I might pay the $3 one-day fee for the finals and restream it on my 50-user max livestream channel. That's about all they'll get out of me. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2010 23:05 some_noob wrote: http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/ The best way to think about spelling definitely is de-FINITE-ly, as in "I have a finite amount of money in my wallet therefore I won't be paying for the GSL stream" | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:58 Meta wrote: The problem is, they'll see 45 people who are going to pay for the stream and think "wow, that's $900 we just made!" All they're doing is making their tournament less popular than it otherwise could have been in countries outside korea. I mean I had doubts that I would even watch many of the games anyway considering how many tournaments are going on, but now I doubt I'll watch anything other than the finals, after they've been pirated/rereleased for torrents. i'm pretty sure only making $900 would be considered a massive failure by GOM | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Rashia
Sweden68 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:49 Manifesto7 wrote: Do I think this is a great idea? Nope. I can't believe that it is 2010 and companies believe they can control the internet. What wants to be seen will be seen, and fifty bucks is stupid because there are 100 livestreams and multiple other tournaments going on for free. But... I am not surprised by the fee. SC2 is a niche, and like other niche events coverage is expensive. Ever try to watch professional squash? I had to buy super expensive DVDs. Look, football is free on TV because so many people watch it that high priced ads can cover the profit. When low numbers of people watch, you often have to pay more for specialty stuff. Anyway, I would rather listen to the Korean than Tasteless and Artosis anyway. what you say is true. but there are 3 major problems with it: 1. its not a niche in the esports world. this can easily draw in more viewers then any other event right now in the world of gaming. look at hdhs success. this is way bigger and we're not in beta anymore. also it wouldnt surprise me if sc2 has way more interested followers then squash  2. its free for koreans. the coverage is already there. all "extra cost" is tastosis and bandwith. tastosis isnt much and could easily be covered by a HQ upgrade which some will get. same applies for bandwith + im sure Tlpeople would help with that. 3. the competition is doing it for free/very low prices for HQ. look at esl. you can watch stuff there like 4 days a week. and thats only sc2. yeah the pricepool is huge here. but that doesnt have anything to do with the cost of nonkorean coverage. it just feels like a ripoff and will 100% fail which is very sad since this couldve been really really fkkin huge. | ||
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rackdude
United States882 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:05 Rashia wrote: I hope somone makes a .torrent of the shows and loads em up on some site.. Heck I'd pay a small fee to the guy that would do that. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:04 ArvickHero wrote: i'm pretty sure only making $900 would be considered a massive failure by GOM But the foreigner scene isn't even the target audience, they're banking primarily on revenues from advertisements on OGN. As far as they're concerned we're all rich westerners they can just make a buck off of in exchange for hiring 2 casters. Frankly who's going to honestly watch every single match played over the course of this next month? That's the only way this could be even remotely worthwhile, and since there's an abundance of other tournaments like IEM and MLG that provide english commentary of professional games for FREE, I think I'll just stick with those and watch the highlight matches from GSL for free from the OGN stream. English casting already feels like a luxury for BW fans, I can handle watching a couple more games without sound if it saves me $30 | ||
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Clipped
France122 Posts
On September 02 2010 06:59 ArvickHero wrote: Where did I mention an english stream for Kespa? Completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. So what are you saying exactly ? This thread is about the Gom English stream. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:30 Meta wrote: But the foreigner scene isn't even the target audience, they're banking primarily on revenues from advertisements on OGN. As far as they're concerned we're all rich westerners they can just make a buck off of in exchange for hiring 2 casters. Frankly who's going to honestly watch every single match played over the course of this next month? That's the only way this could be even remotely worthwhile, and since there's an abundance of other tournaments like IEM and MLG that provide english commentary of professional games for FREE, I think I'll just stick with those and watch the highlight matches from GSL for free from the OGN stream. English casting already feels like a luxury for BW fans, I can handle watching a couple more games without sound if it saves me $30 ?? I'm assuming that all the revenue from ads (when GSL is shown on OGN) go to OGN, not GOM. In fact, I would think GOM's only revenue comes from the ads shown on their GOMTV player and "premium" services. Correct me if I'm wrong though... | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
That way when it's time to pay for the next one we know what to expect and what we are getting. We have to want what you're selling before we pay for it. | ||
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
Having to pay for some sc2 tournaments now is absurd. Wer already paying to $uck as men ffs either directly or indirectly whats next ? | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:36 ArvickHero wrote: ?? I'm assuming that all the revenue from ads (when GSL is shown on OGN) go to OGN, not GOM. In fact, I would think GOM's only revenue comes from the ads shown on their GOMTV player and "premium" services. Correct me if I'm wrong though... are you saying that the NFL doesnt get any of the TV money from the Super Bowl? only the tv station who broadcasts it since they are the one's selling commercial time? i dont KNOW that that information would be incorrect, but i do not believe that is correct. Idk if OGN has to buy the broadcasting rights or if it is the other way tho i guess.. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:37 st3roids wrote: We been giving $hitloads of money in so many things that should have been free or rly cheap. Having to pay for some sc2 tournaments now is absurd. Wer already paying to $uck as men ffs either directly or indirectly whats next ? ingrish prz ? | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:36 ArvickHero wrote: ?? I'm assuming that all the revenue from ads (when GSL is shown on OGN) go to OGN, not GOM. In fact, I would think GOM's only revenue comes from the ads shown on their GOMTV player and "premium" services. Correct me if I'm wrong though... Considering OGN had to sign an agreement with GOM to even broadcast any games at all, I doubt GOM would have signed all of the profits away. In fact I bet OGN is getting the short end of the stick in that regard. At the end of the day, we've never been charged to view tournament games, in the history of e-sports, and I refuse to kneel over and let them reach into my pockets just because they have a fancy new game with fancy new contracts. Especially considering that there are so, so many other tournaments going on for sc2 that will be completely free to watch. It's not even like we're watching brood war where the top players appear to be gods playing on an inhuman level, they're just some dudes who are really, really good at being efficient/not making mistakes/strategy, playing against each other. Just like every other large tournament there has been or will be for this game. I'd be more inclined to pay a small fee (less than $3) to watch the OSL finals to be honest, even without english commentating. But the amount they're charging is just absurd. It rubs me the wrong way, like how do they view the fans? Wallets with legs? | ||
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
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st3roids
Greece538 Posts
blizzard making millions as profit , they want a popular sc2 sponsor the good tournaments. Even a million a year for tournament prices for a company as big as blizzard. is pocket change. | ||
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