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Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
August 31 2010 22:16 GMT
#21
On September 01 2010 07:14 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:02 Lysithea wrote:
"terran is op! they're just a a-move race!"

"repair isnt op wtf?!"



What does this have to do with the thread? ._.

But anyways, I use the standard ones. I never even knew you could change them. :S

The Grid set up looks weird.


my bad attempt at humor referencing to A being at repair using grid.

nvm me, move along~
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Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
August 31 2010 22:17 GMT
#22
i can't imagine having to 1t2t3t after many years of 1a2a3a.
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FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 22:21:49
August 31 2010 22:18 GMT
#23
what is grid and standard? i dont understand
I don't see why anyone would want to use grid. I play fine at high lvl with no issues. using the standard..
Domo230
Profile Joined August 2010
Ireland11 Posts
August 31 2010 22:26 GMT
#24
On September 01 2010 07:14 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:02 Lysithea wrote:
"terran is op! they're just a a-move race!"

"repair isnt op wtf?!"



What does this have to do with the thread? ._.

But anyways, I use the standard ones. I never even knew you could change them. :S

The Grid set up looks weird.

Its a joke based on the grid keys
Nexic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States729 Posts
August 31 2010 22:29 GMT
#25
On September 01 2010 07:18 FindingPride wrote:
what is grid and standard? i dont understand
I don't see why anyone would want to use grid. I play fine at high lvl with no issues. using the standard..
really you cant see why anyone would use them?

you guys are missing the point. the fact you are used to standard hotkeys does not make them inherently better.

as i said the only disadvantage of grid is T being attack move, which can be changed via a quick mpq edit (do a search for custom hotkeys). everything else is more efficiently located in terms of reach. but it comes down to preference, use what feels comfortable.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 31 2010 22:35 GMT
#26
On September 01 2010 07:11 Grummler wrote:
right now custom keys are illegal in most tournaments. Basicly because you need to edit/replace the multiplayer.mpq thingy, which is not allowed.
So, grid is allowed though? Because I'm pretty sure in the Korean BW leagues only standard hotkeys were allowed, the same for all.
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Kinch
Profile Joined August 2010
United States258 Posts
August 31 2010 22:47 GMT
#27
Look in the options. Of course grid would be allowed. It's part of the base UI.

T for attack isn't a disadvantage at all. In fact, if you group your units to 4-5-6-7, T is right there. The grid layout's real advantage is that it translates seamlessly to every race, which is probably why TLO was using it.
some_noob
Profile Joined August 2010
160 Posts
August 31 2010 22:47 GMT
#28
On September 01 2010 07:35 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:11 Grummler wrote:
right now custom keys are illegal in most tournaments. Basicly because you need to edit/replace the multiplayer.mpq thingy, which is not allowed.
So, grid is allowed though? Because I'm pretty sure in the Korean BW leagues only standard hotkeys were allowed, the same for all.


any kind of source on that one ?
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 23:19:43
August 31 2010 22:56 GMT
#29
On September 01 2010 07:47 some_noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:35 figq wrote:
On September 01 2010 07:11 Grummler wrote:
right now custom keys are illegal in most tournaments. Basicly because you need to edit/replace the multiplayer.mpq thingy, which is not allowed.
So, grid is allowed though? Because I'm pretty sure in the Korean BW leagues only standard hotkeys were allowed, the same for all.


any kind of source on that one ?


Well, all i can say is that grid, classic, standard and those for lefties are allowed, because they are part of the UI. I dont have a source for this, obviously. I mean, you are also allowed to play with whatever resoultion you like, for the same reason.

Does BW support different hotkeys layouts? I always thought its only one, which would be the reason why only this one is allowed.

Everything needing a third party program is illegal, both in bw and sc2.


Edit: TLO during GSL qualifiers.. Watch his hands, he is using grid, i am 100% sure.
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XiaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
August 31 2010 23:03 GMT
#30
Edit: TLO during GSL qualifiers.. Watch his hands, he is using grid, i am 100% sure.


TLO def. uses Grid Keys .. he said so in an interview some month ago.
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
August 31 2010 23:06 GMT
#31
never even heard of grid system :o

i just play by default setting
nibbles
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United Kingdom179 Posts
August 31 2010 23:07 GMT
#32
If that's true, it might be because for BW, you'd have to have edited files or have a separate program change your hotkeys, whilst in SC2, grid is already supported in the client/game settings themselves.
meh
Nalta
Profile Joined August 2010
United States44 Posts
August 31 2010 23:13 GMT
#33
im not top level, but i refuse to use grid. I came outta BW with those ridged hotkeys, and it kinda stuck...
i may or may not switch to grid in upcoming time, it seems like it makes everything easier to learn, i mostly play toss and when playing terran i find myself pressing e for a SCV then they could all just be Q
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Dog22
Profile Joined April 2010
United States140 Posts
August 31 2010 23:15 GMT
#34
This seems like it would take quite a while to get used to. It's kinda interesting though. I don't think I have the patience to learn hotkeys all over again.

I really want F1-F5 to be hotkeys for selected spots on the map though

If there is already a way to do this someone please let me know!
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
August 31 2010 23:32 GMT
#35
holy moly this is really weird @_@

didnt even know it existed, might have to try it out sometime and see how it feels
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 31 2010 23:34 GMT
#36
On September 01 2010 07:47 some_noob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:35 figq wrote:
On September 01 2010 07:11 Grummler wrote:
right now custom keys are illegal in most tournaments. Basicly because you need to edit/replace the multiplayer.mpq thingy, which is not allowed.
So, grid is allowed though? Because I'm pretty sure in the Korean BW leagues only standard hotkeys were allowed, the same for all.
any kind of source on that one ?
Tastless (Major BW commentator in Korea): "In case you're wondering it's illegal to change hotkey setups at tournaments so competitive players have to master the standard default hotkeys." (source)
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Wihl
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden472 Posts
August 31 2010 23:46 GMT
#37
If I had known about it when I started I would probably have used it but now I'm so used to spamming "sdsdsdsd" for drones and such that it would probably be pretty painful to switch.
leviathan20
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom193 Posts
August 31 2010 23:52 GMT
#38
I love using grid hotkeys and switched to them straight away when they got implemented. Probably a throwback from WC3 where they were used pretty heavily.

As for Attack-Move being 'T', just try doing 3t4t5t and see how easy that is ^^ It's way easier for me than pressing 1a2a3a.
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
August 31 2010 23:55 GMT
#39
On September 01 2010 08:34 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 07:47 some_noob wrote:
On September 01 2010 07:35 figq wrote:
On September 01 2010 07:11 Grummler wrote:
right now custom keys are illegal in most tournaments. Basicly because you need to edit/replace the multiplayer.mpq thingy, which is not allowed.
So, grid is allowed though? Because I'm pretty sure in the Korean BW leagues only standard hotkeys were allowed, the same for all.
any kind of source on that one ?
Tastless (Major BW commentator in Korea): "In case you're wondering it's illegal to change hotkey setups at tournaments so competitive players have to master the standard default hotkeys." (source)


Most SC2 tournaments stipulate in the rules that only the Blizzard options are legal. I.e. Standard, Grid, Classic, standard for lefties and grid for lefties.
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 23:57:22
August 31 2010 23:56 GMT
#40
as a former bw player im using "classic" they're probably not the most optimized hotkeys though

not really sure what the top-ranked players are using, TLO is using grid as some ppl already said
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