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On April 24 2011 07:16 zocktol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:04 Dystisis wrote:On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now  , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min gate with 32 probes when at one point he was 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2, winning virtually every fight based on position and Templar vs Ghost micro battles... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage, he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build Is this a joke post? Honestly, I am not sure. Pretty sure it is a joke. Its not like Thorzain did not hit any EMPs on the clumped up templars. Thorzain climbed back into the game several times. But the lack of EMPs was well not good.
He had a few good EMP,s that is true, but how many Ghosts got feedbacked in that game? 15-20+? Sometimes 4-5 at once... the EMP to Feedback ratio was hugely in favor of MC
On April 24 2011 07:20 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min 4gate with 32 probes where at the end the Terran was ahead in harvesters and had upgrades/Tech started...that..that was the sign of a world class player, especially when he was at 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage (I don't even remember any moments where Thorzane did something stupid) he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build + Show Spoiler +
MC went for a no sentry 4 gate allin (no probes were produced for a long time) that failed rly hard obviously, then he kept expanding whenever he saw Thor getting another base up. it was 1-1,5 base in favor of MC and still was very, very close all game long due to missing storms and no observer in the fights. u think that MC outclassed him? i think he failed with an allin, then just macro cheesed and Thorzain didnt punish him for it (obvious mistake on his part, but nothing to do with MC).
Macro cheese...? You know what, this was a bad idea talking about it, I'll just wait till STOG till what they think, should be somewhat un-biased since they have been cynical of MC's play recently
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mc is fucking clownshoes compared to thorzain
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@Dommk yes macro cheese.. thats exactly what tyler always talks about... he just playes to risky, and this time it played out well for him because ThorZain wouldn't move out to kill him. ThorZain waited pretty long until he attacked the first time!
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And I think the EMP thing was sarcastic...
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So much to talk about and we are only half way into the week end!
the next show will be packed with content...
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I don't want to get into this now , I'll admit I'm now a MC fanboy, so I'm probably looking through rose tinted glasses, so I'll just wait till actual Pros talk about it ^^"
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But more MC in 2 hours ;D Poor Ret 
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On April 24 2011 07:12 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:04 Dystisis wrote:On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min gate with 32 probes when at one point he was 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2, winning virtually every fight based on position and Templar vs Ghost micro battles... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage, he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build Is this a joke post? Honestly, I am not sure. No it is not a joke.. + Show Spoiler + MC was at less harvesters, 1gas with no tech started after is attack failed against Thorzane who had +1 attack nearly done, +1def started immediately after with tech just starting, ThorZane had 2-2 before MC had +1/0/0.
His army was inferior to Thorzanes yet he was coming out on top in every engagement, he was making the right decisions, honestly who would have thought to go 5-6 Immortals in response to that? The only reason he didn't die was because he was winning virtually every Ghost vs Templar fight
I'm not saying Thorzane played bad, he played amazing--but it just seemed like MC was a step ahead
Gonna just give my two cents in a spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +So in your opinion they should concentrate on how good MC played in game 4, rather than how amazingly well ThorZain played in games 1, 2 and 5? Yes, MC's control in game 4 was great and he won the battles because of it but damn ThorZain was the hero in this match. The talk of the week should be (at least when it comes to this matchup) the way upgrades are important and the mech style in the last game. Of course MC's awesome storms and feedbacks should also be mentioned when talking about this match the big news is the fact how ThorZains 2/2 really demolished MC. Also that HUGE emp by ThorZain could've turned the game completely different if he hadn't gone and hit the main right after that.
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On April 24 2011 07:29 Oldgrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:12 Dommk wrote:On April 24 2011 07:04 Dystisis wrote:On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min gate with 32 probes when at one point he was 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2, winning virtually every fight based on position and Templar vs Ghost micro battles... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage, he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build Is this a joke post? Honestly, I am not sure. No it is not a joke.. + Show Spoiler + MC was at less harvesters, 1gas with no tech started after is attack failed against Thorzane who had +1 attack nearly done, +1def started immediately after with tech just starting, ThorZane had 2-2 before MC had +1/0/0.
His army was inferior to Thorzanes yet he was coming out on top in every engagement, he was making the right decisions, honestly who would have thought to go 5-6 Immortals in response to that? The only reason he didn't die was because he was winning virtually every Ghost vs Templar fight
I'm not saying Thorzane played bad, he played amazing--but it just seemed like MC was a step ahead Gonna just give my two cents in a spoiler: + Show Spoiler +So in your opinion they should concentrate on how good MC played in game 4, rather than how amazingly well ThorZain played in games 1, 2 and 5? Yes, MC's control in game 4 was great and he won the battles because of it but damn ThorZain was the hero in this match. The talk of the week should be (at least when it comes to this matchup) the way upgrades are important and the mech style in the last game. Of course MC's awesome storms and feedbacks should also be mentioned when talking about this match the big news is the fact how ThorZains 2/2 really demolished MC.
+ Show Spoiler +He indeed played well, but MC was playing from a failed DT/Voidray opening, so given that I'm not sure what kinda room you have to keep up on upgrades. The same thing happens to Terrans against double forge, when you hit 2-2 when they are 1-0 it is gameover for Terran
The last game it didn't look like he was too sure on what to do, but actually manage to do pretty well given his unit composition He had Immortals/Colossus/Templars w/ Storm all out by like 12mins in 0o
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now that this MC thorzain game has happend no one can say anything about tyler for shatting on MC
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On April 24 2011 07:35 Drazzyo wrote:
now that this MC thorzain game has happend no one can say anything about tyler for shatting on MC
Tyler never really shat on MC. Tyler never said MC is a bad player or anything like that, he just said he doesn't like his playstyle because MC takes big risks to get ahead.
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On April 24 2011 07:29 Oldgrain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:12 Dommk wrote:On April 24 2011 07:04 Dystisis wrote:On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min gate with 32 probes when at one point he was 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2, winning virtually every fight based on position and Templar vs Ghost micro battles... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage, he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build Is this a joke post? Honestly, I am not sure. No it is not a joke.. + Show Spoiler + MC was at less harvesters, 1gas with no tech started after is attack failed against Thorzane who had +1 attack nearly done, +1def started immediately after with tech just starting, ThorZane had 2-2 before MC had +1/0/0.
His army was inferior to Thorzanes yet he was coming out on top in every engagement, he was making the right decisions, honestly who would have thought to go 5-6 Immortals in response to that? The only reason he didn't die was because he was winning virtually every Ghost vs Templar fight
I'm not saying Thorzane played bad, he played amazing--but it just seemed like MC was a step ahead Gonna just give my two cents in a spoiler: + Show Spoiler +So in your opinion they should concentrate on how good MC played in game 4, rather than how amazingly well ThorZain played in games 1, 2 and 5? Yes, MC's control in game 4 was great and he won the battles because of it but damn ThorZain was the hero in this match. The talk of the week should be (at least when it comes to this matchup) the way upgrades are important and the mech style in the last game. Of course MC's awesome storms and feedbacks should also be mentioned when talking about this match the big news is the fact how ThorZains 2/2 really demolished MC. Also that HUGE emp by ThorZain could've turned the game completely different if he hadn't gone and hit the main right after that.
i'd like to add that this game just showed how powerful protoss lategame is not MC in particular.
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I think they should talk about iNcontrol DT usage in IPL and if it would have been more sucessfull if he had banshees instead 
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On April 24 2011 07:21 FireBoltHero wrote:
mc is fucking clownshoes compared to thorzain
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well, not really. the games overall were very close and (very exciting,) which was nice. taking down mc is no easy tast at all, but people shouldnt overhype this too much, since mc didnt play his best.
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On April 24 2011 07:42 phisku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:29 Oldgrain wrote:On April 24 2011 07:12 Dommk wrote:On April 24 2011 07:04 Dystisis wrote:On April 24 2011 07:02 Dommk wrote:SPOILER TSL - MC vs Thorzane + Show Spoiler +Game 4 against Thorzane, don't really think anyone can doubt MC's ability now , all the subtle things he was doing in that game to win, hope you guys talk about it. At least from the 4th game, I got the feeling MC out classed Thorzane, not that Thorzane is bad--he played amazing probably my favorite Terran player right now, but coming back after a 1 gas 2nexus 7min gate with 32 probes when at one point he was 0-0 upgrades vs 2-2, winning virtually every fight based on position and Templar vs Ghost micro battles... That was Thorzanes game to lose, but that was one of those games odd games you see from time to time, he didn't lose because he fucked up and gave MC the advantage, he lost because MC played better The last game seemed like a build order loss for MC, don't think MC had ever played that kind of mass Thor before, but MC's on the fly response was actually pretty smart--I don't think any other Protoss player would have responded that well if that was the first time they saw that type of build Is this a joke post? Honestly, I am not sure. No it is not a joke.. + Show Spoiler + MC was at less harvesters, 1gas with no tech started after is attack failed against Thorzane who had +1 attack nearly done, +1def started immediately after with tech just starting, ThorZane had 2-2 before MC had +1/0/0.
His army was inferior to Thorzanes yet he was coming out on top in every engagement, he was making the right decisions, honestly who would have thought to go 5-6 Immortals in response to that? The only reason he didn't die was because he was winning virtually every Ghost vs Templar fight
I'm not saying Thorzane played bad, he played amazing--but it just seemed like MC was a step ahead Gonna just give my two cents in a spoiler: + Show Spoiler +So in your opinion they should concentrate on how good MC played in game 4, rather than how amazingly well ThorZain played in games 1, 2 and 5? Yes, MC's control in game 4 was great and he won the battles because of it but damn ThorZain was the hero in this match. The talk of the week should be (at least when it comes to this matchup) the way upgrades are important and the mech style in the last game. Of course MC's awesome storms and feedbacks should also be mentioned when talking about this match the big news is the fact how ThorZains 2/2 really demolished MC. Also that HUGE emp by ThorZain could've turned the game completely different if he hadn't gone and hit the main right after that. i'd like to add that this game just showed how powerful protoss lategame is not MC in particular.
Uh, I disagree, this game showed off how strong MC is in the lategame...it had little to do with what he had but more to do with how he used them
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How many Protoss players would think to go 5-6 Immortals against Bio/Medivac with an upgrade disadvantage? Then of those few, who would actually be able to hold off ghosts from your Immortals/Templars for virtually the entire game? If that was me I know I would have fucked that up the very first fight and lost everything .__.
It was a very skill dependent army composition, one failed engagement--one bad EMP and he losses everything. The impressive part is, it only happened ONCE in that game where Thorzane managed to get his only two meaningful EMP's of the game, but MC had enough bases to safe regardless
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On April 24 2011 07:44 SpiZe wrote:I think they should talk about iNcontrol DT usage in IPL and if it would have been more sucessfull if he had banshees instead
It wouldn't have been because Spades was on one base.
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On April 24 2011 07:40 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:35 Drazzyo wrote:
now that this MC thorzain game has happend no one can say anything about tyler for shatting on MC Tyler never really shat on MC. Tyler never said MC is a bad player or anything like that, he just said he doesn't like his playstyle because MC takes big risks to get ahead.
Some people hear what they want to hear.
+ Show Spoiler +And it's not like MC didn't just win another big tournament in Europe, right?
Give it a rest.
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On April 24 2011 07:40 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:35 Drazzyo wrote:
now that this MC thorzain game has happend no one can say anything about tyler for shatting on MC Tyler never really shat on MC. Tyler never said MC is a bad player or anything like that, he just said he doesn't like his playstyle because MC takes big risks to get ahead.
And + Show Spoiler +the Thorzain vs. MC series proved Tyler completely right. MC's big risks in game one and two backfired because Thorzain just did solid, standard play with an upgrade focus.
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+ Show Spoiler +imagine if MC would have gotten upgrades earlier in the first 3 games. man o man
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On April 24 2011 08:05 GP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:44 SpiZe wrote:I think they should talk about iNcontrol DT usage in IPL and if it would have been more sucessfull if he had banshees instead It wouldn't have been because Spades was on one base.
This will be glossed over and our Protoss Zeroes will continue to disrespect PainUser, the TruthBearer.
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So is Idra getting a pillar soon? He seems to be on the show alot.
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