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Mahs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands171 Posts
April 23 2011 23:44 GMT
#16621
I really love State of the Game. Even if it would be 2 full hours of Sean laughing/trolling people I'd still love it and not miss a second of it. I hope the format stays the way it is, the informal atmosphere keeps it very entertaining. Thumbs up guys (and Anna)!

Special hug to iNcontroL for handling the NASL criticism so well, big respect for the efforts you're putting in and the honesty in the discussions.
I'll be in my bunk.
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
April 24 2011 00:31 GMT
#16622
On April 24 2011 07:42 phisku wrote:
i'd like to add that this game just showed how powerful protoss lategame is not MC in particular.

That makes sense. I sort of thought a protoss player had actually played well but I forgot that the only reason protoss players win games is their race.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
April 24 2011 00:42 GMT
#16623
I love SOTG wish it were twice a week but hey we can all dream right? Keep it up guys and Tyler and iNcontrol i am forever rooting for you guys keep holding it down for the Toss
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 01:40:36
April 24 2011 01:00 GMT
#16624
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
quentel
Profile Joined March 2011
349 Posts
April 24 2011 01:01 GMT
#16625
Less Anna = Better SOTG.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
April 24 2011 01:27 GMT
#16626
Can't wait to hear what you guys have on the show this week, it's gonna be awesome like always but still impatient ^_^
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 02:06:34
April 24 2011 02:06 GMT
#16627
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
Show nested quote +
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
Show nested quote +
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 24 2011 02:12 GMT
#16628
On April 24 2011 11:06 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race


He left out the part where Fruitdealer said he isn't practicing enough as well. Also, that Fruitdealer quote is from ages ago.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
April 24 2011 02:15 GMT
#16629
On April 24 2011 09:31 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:42 phisku wrote:
i'd like to add that this game just showed how powerful protoss lategame is not MC in particular.

That makes sense. I sort of thought a protoss player had actually played well but I forgot that the only reason protoss players win games is their race.

he said protoss' lategame is powerful, that is undeniable. Just because it is strong doesn't mean its "imbalanced" or that MC didn't earn his win. Inject larvae is powerful, does that make zerg imba? no
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 02:36:07
April 24 2011 02:32 GMT
#16630
On April 24 2011 11:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 11:06 Dommk wrote:
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race


He left out the part where Fruitdealer said he isn't practicing enough as well. Also, that Fruitdealer quote is from ages ago.


1. Yes I left the part of the balance because blizzard "doesn't focus on maps" for balance perse. look at the current or previous ladder maps. Still close positions, still maps like DQ, backwater, slagpits, scrapstation, shakuras, xelnaga. PvZ is imbalanced in all the current maps, can we atleast agree on that? or do you want to indulge into trival things and not focus on the freaking IMBALANCE that is staring right at our face?? blizzard has stated they want shitty maps on ladder because it creates diversity (cheeses, rushs) because that what sales the games in lower leagues.

2. My point was to show Mr. Genius (aka talin) that every freaking zerg is complaining not only the foreigners ( which by the way he is really ashamed of - yea talin everyone cares about your feelings, NOT !)

3. The quote is not old, it was just translated !

So yea unless they remove entire Ladder maps and GSL maps and focus on making zerg friendly maps till then the game is broken, or or they could minor tweak protoss . what sounds more convenient and plausible in the eyes of blizzard ?

By the way I like how you conveniently leave out the entire balance outcry and focus on stuff that was left out.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 04:45:30
April 24 2011 04:42 GMT
#16631
On April 24 2011 10:01 quentel wrote:
Less Anna = Better SOTG.


I have to say that I agree. One time was funny, 10 times not so much. If you insist on having her, have her call in when it is almost over and you guys are doing questions. At least then it would makes sense to have her there.


On April 24 2011 11:32 Gunman_csz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 11:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 11:06 Dommk wrote:
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race


He left out the part where Fruitdealer said he isn't practicing enough as well. Also, that Fruitdealer quote is from ages ago.


1. Yes I left the part of the balance because blizzard "doesn't focus on maps" for balance perse. look at the current or previous ladder maps. Still close positions, still maps like DQ, backwater, slagpits, scrapstation, shakuras, xelnaga. PvZ is imbalanced in all the current maps, can we atleast agree on that? or do you want to indulge into trival things and not focus on the freaking IMBALANCE that is staring right at our face?? blizzard has stated they want shitty maps on ladder because it creates diversity (cheeses, rushs) because that what sales the games in lower leagues.

2. My point was to show Mr. Genius (aka talin) that every freaking zerg is complaining not only the foreigners ( which by the way he is really ashamed of - yea talin everyone cares about your feelings, NOT !)

3. The quote is not old, it was just translated !

So yea unless they remove entire Ladder maps and GSL maps and focus on making zerg friendly maps till then the game is broken, or or they could minor tweak protoss . what sounds more convenient and plausible in the eyes of blizzard ?

By the way I like how you conveniently leave out the entire balance outcry and focus on stuff that was left out.


The reason why balance discussions shouldn't be on SOTG isn't because there isn't any and it isn't because there's some mass conspiracy to cover up the fact that "Protoss is imba". Rather it is because balance discussions are BORING. They just rehash the same thing over and over again. It is like having a religion discussion - they're amusing in that they are funny to laugh at, not because they are quality/entertaining content. Also dude, you have about 40 posts in this thread and all but like 3 are bitching about Zerg being UP or Protoss being OP. I think the SOTG guys get it. If they aren't talking about it on their show as much as you'd like, it is probably for a reason.

And if you and Talin have some beef with each other, you probably should take it to PMs (IMO).
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 05:56:29
April 24 2011 05:55 GMT
#16632
On April 24 2011 11:32 Gunman_csz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 11:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 11:06 Dommk wrote:
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race


He left out the part where Fruitdealer said he isn't practicing enough as well. Also, that Fruitdealer quote is from ages ago.


1. Yes I left the part of the balance because blizzard "doesn't focus on maps" for balance perse. look at the current or previous ladder maps. Still close positions, still maps like DQ, backwater, slagpits, scrapstation, shakuras, xelnaga. PvZ is imbalanced in all the current maps, can we atleast agree on that? or do you want to indulge into trival things and not focus on the freaking IMBALANCE that is staring right at our face?? blizzard has stated they want shitty maps on ladder because it creates diversity (cheeses, rushs) because that what sales the games in lower leagues.

2. My point was to show Mr. Genius (aka talin) that every freaking zerg is complaining not only the foreigners ( which by the way he is really ashamed of - yea talin everyone cares about your feelings, NOT !)

3. The quote is not old, it was just translated !

So yea unless they remove entire Ladder maps and GSL maps and focus on making zerg friendly maps till then the game is broken, or or they could minor tweak protoss . what sounds more convenient and plausible in the eyes of blizzard ?

By the way I like how you conveniently leave out the entire balance outcry and focus on stuff that was left out.

Ok fine.

PvZ is imbalance....Now what?
Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
April 24 2011 06:04 GMT
#16633
On April 24 2011 10:01 quentel wrote:
Less Anna = Better SOTG.

On April 24 2011 13:42 Pyo wrote:
I have to say that I agree. One time was funny, 10 times not so much. If you insist on having her, have her call in when it is almost over and you guys are doing questions. At least then it would makes sense to have her there.


Agreed... Anna calling in randomly and interrupting everyone just reeks of desperation for attention... It might have been funny to some people the first couple of times, but now it's just plain annoying.
Lotar
Profile Joined September 2010
132 Posts
April 24 2011 06:19 GMT
#16634
Please don't quote huge posts that are right above yours, it makes the thread very much harder to read.

The show is called "State of the Game" so I fully expect to have frequent discussions about balance and the current state of staple builds or staple units (how powerful they are at the time.)

Balance threads are always super extra long, people post tons of unrelated content and are emotional. When SotG talks about balance, it's shorter and to the point. Plus, it's not Gold players complaining about aspects of the game that they will eventually compensate for with practice or new builds. They are pro players, so when they collectively hit a road block (e.g. ZvP, 4-gate PvP) you know it's not for lack of practice or imagination.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
April 24 2011 06:20 GMT
#16635
On April 24 2011 15:04 Gokey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 10:01 quentel wrote:
Less Anna = Better SOTG.

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 13:42 Pyo wrote:
I have to say that I agree. One time was funny, 10 times not so much. If you insist on having her, have her call in when it is almost over and you guys are doing questions. At least then it would makes sense to have her there.


Agreed... Anna calling in randomly and interrupting everyone just reeks of desperation for attention... It might have been funny to some people the first couple of times, but now it's just plain annoying.

These are my thoughts exactly.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 24 2011 06:24 GMT
#16636
I thought Anna calling in was cute every time it happened... until he said that some of them (recent ones?) were staged.
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
April 24 2011 06:31 GMT
#16637
Why does it matter if she calls in? 1) She asks good questions. 2) It's sometimes funny. 3) its ALWAYS funny when it gets awkward and quiet, then she hangs up, and Day9's enormous cackle breaks the silence.

<3 Anna
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 24 2011 07:28 GMT
#16638
The last episode was really good (imo) because they talked about the state of the game. I was really an interesting discussion. Those are my favorites episodes.
Anna is cool to have on the show, but only when her call doesn't land in a middle of an interesting segment and doesn't cut someone. Because when that happens, they don't resume what they were saying after the call, they just skip to something else, and that's frustrating for the audience.

Anyway, still the best podcast on the planet <3
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-24 07:55:51
April 24 2011 07:51 GMT
#16639
On April 24 2011 11:32 Gunman_csz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 11:12 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 11:06 Dommk wrote:
On April 24 2011 10:00 Gunman_csz wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:40 Talin wrote:
On April 18 2011 06:24 Gunman_csz wrote:
^_^ I hope this week they revisit the balance topic, since now we have 5/8 protoss in TSL3.



I'll revisit it.

Zerg players outside of Korea should be ashamedat this point that their strategies are being advanced by a player who doesn't play nearly full-time (Mondragon) and by an amateur player (Spanishiwa), and that even as non-refined and non-explored as their strategies are and as sloppy as their macro and overall mechanics are, they still allow both players to punch above their weight and actually show fantastic stuff in their games.



I think Zerg players inside of Korea should be ashamed aswell, don't you think so?

There you go,
Nestea RO16 interview:
- Recently, zergs are having a hard time; do you also feel the burden?
I see what the community has to say, and they continue to think ‘Nestea will come up with something…’ so I feel a lot of pressure. I don’t think I can do much more. If I practice a lot more, I think I will be able to see some good results.

- What do you think about the patch?
I don’t think it changed anything big. I think infestors are pretty good against terran now but still not that good against protoss.


- On Xel’naga fortress, zergs are having a hard time.
Against protoss, I’ve concluded that it is impossible to win.

- MC and Mvp have both gotten 2 championships, do you also have the desire/greed to win another?
If I were terran or protoss, I think I would be in contention to win more championships. But as a zerg I don’t know if I will get many chances. I will quietly keep on trying hard.

- Do you want to switch races?
Sometimes I want to switch races. I occasionally use a smurf ID to play different races. It’s so easy to beat a zerg (when I do that).

- So why don’t you switch?
When you win with an unfavorable race, I think victory shines more. If only the map pool was more playable…


FruitdealerRO16 interview:
- Your reason for not doing so well in the regular seasons?
I haven’t practiced enough. Even for today, I only practiced for about 3 days. Also, ZvT isn’t so bad but ZvP is really hard right now. Sometimes, there are situations where I can’t even theorycraft on what to do in that matchup. In practice, when I face a protoss, it just often makes me feel like, I can’t win.

- When will be your resurrection?
When there is a balance patch. However, I am feeling pretty good this season. My next game will either be against my teammate or against that zerg so it will be difficult. Nestea is the only Z that I have a hard time facing in a mirror match.


Nestea and Fruitdealer, you guys should be ashamed, be more creative like spansiwa or mondragon !!

Like how you conveniently leave out the part where NesTea blames the map instead of the race


He left out the part where Fruitdealer said he isn't practicing enough as well. Also, that Fruitdealer quote is from ages ago.


+ Show Spoiler +
1. Yes I left the part of the balance because blizzard "doesn't focus on maps" for balance perse. look at the current or previous ladder maps. Still close positions, still maps like DQ, backwater, slagpits, scrapstation, shakuras, xelnaga. PvZ is imbalanced in all the current maps, can we atleast agree on that? or do you want to indulge into trival things and not focus on the freaking IMBALANCE that is staring right at our face?? blizzard has stated they want shitty maps on ladder because it creates diversity (cheeses, rushs) because that what sales the games in lower leagues.

2. My point was to show Mr. Genius (aka talin) that every freaking zerg is complaining not only the foreigners ( which by the way he is really ashamed of - yea talin everyone cares about your feelings, NOT !)

3. The quote is not old, it was just translated !

So yea unless they remove entire Ladder maps and GSL maps and focus on making zerg friendly maps till then the game is broken, or or they could minor tweak protoss . what sounds more convenient and plausible in the eyes of blizzard ?

By the way I like how you conveniently leave out the entire balance outcry and focus on stuff that was left out.


My apologies for that mistake about the interview timing, actually. I hadn't kept up to date on the results of yesterday's GSL and that's virtually the same interview Fruit gives every time he wins or loses a match. Almost verbatim in fact.

As for map balance, Blizzard wants a variety of maps =/= they want shitty maps. The map pool now is almost at its best for Z, which is vast improvement over earlier seasons. Heck, I'd argue their new Shakuras is a very balanced map for ZvX, not that we ever get to see it because tournaments use the MLG version. Goodbye Blistering, Jungle Basin, and Steppes and hello Tal'Darim and Typhon, along with a not terrible Shakuras 1.5.

Edit: Also, both Nestea and Fruitdealer play on GSL maps which are hardly representative of Blizzard map balance. The easy thirds they offer do a lot to promote PvX deathball play. That's the mapmaker's fault, not Blizzard's.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
April 24 2011 07:52 GMT
#16640
The Anna thing is like the people who are convinced that their kids is the most fascinating subject in the world, but nobody else gives a shit. I the same way, it's amusing for Geoff but hardly for anyone else.
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