EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 349
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J7S
Brazil179 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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hackmed
United Kingdom74 Posts
On December 10 2010 01:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: FUCK extended series is like a virus. STOP talking about it please  On December 10 2010 01:49 djcube wrote: Okay, I could have swore I heard Tyler say on the cast that it was the latter. Well if it is the "loser has to win 2 BO3s to win" interpretation, then that doesn't solve the "unfairness" aspect of the extended series. If A wins 2-0 against B. Then later they meet up again, B wins 2-1 in the first BO3. Their total historical record now is A: 3-2 win-loss and B: 2-3 win-loss. B wins the final BO3 with another 2-1, so their final total historical record is 4-4 win-loss for both of them but B still gets to move on. Hahahaha, poor incontrol | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
I've sworn we've gone through this twice already. | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On December 10 2010 01:49 djcube wrote: Okay, I could have swore I heard Tyler say on the cast that it was the latter. Well if it is the "loser has to win 2 BO3s to win" interpretation, then that doesn't solve the "unfairness" aspect of the extended series. If A wins 2-0 against B. Then later they meet up again, B wins 2-1 in the first BO3. Their total historical record now is A: 3-2 win-loss and B: 2-3 win-loss. B wins the final BO3 with another 2-1, so their final total historical record is 4-4 win-loss for both of them but B still gets to move on. Please stop discussing this rule in this thread, it's been kicked like a dead horse for weeks. (wow, and incontrol literally just said to stop...bans come next, he asked nicely)+ Show Spoiler + On December 10 2010 01:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: FUCK extended series is like a virus. STOP talking about it please Side note: Thanks again for doing a show this week, it helps maintain sanity during finals time  Are the preshows recorded, btw? | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
Hate to beat on this topic, but can someone clarify this for me? Does extended series rule mean that the disadvantaged player has to win two actual Bo3s or does it mean what the name itself suggests that the when the two players meet again, their previous score (e.g 2:1) is maintained and it's as if the series is "extended" to a Bo4 with the advantaged player being up 2-1 in a Bo4 series? I'm hearing both interpretations, which vastly changes the arguments for or against the rule. It means if two player meet the continue their previous series. So if in the first match Player1 lost to Player2 2-0 and they met again in the loser bracket the series would pick up at 2-0 and Player1 would have to win 4 games to knock out Player2. | ||
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BetterFasterStronger
United States604 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 10 2010 00:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: would love to see this one closed(or renamed to "troll sotg here!") and a new clean one reopened . the amount stupidity hurts me so bad evrytime im lookin for a alternative dl link. I agree. It's seems that whenever someone comes on this thread with an honest question or criticism, they get flamed for being "a troll" or "boring" or "a whiner" by TL and sometimes the hosts themselves. This thread is actually starting to turn me off of the show, to be honest. Part of the fun of listening to the show is being able to discuss it on the boards afterwards with other listeners. Now it seems impossible to have a normal-ass conversation. | ||
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
MLG uses the extended series because it has a significant impact on increasing the odds that the best player will win the tournament while also not adding many games. All the same arguments that can be made about extended series can be made about seeding or even double elimination so before arguing take into account the statistical logic. | ||
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gods_basement
United States305 Posts
On December 10 2010 02:09 SlipperySnake wrote: Extended series is simply better at statistically determining the best player. People can argue all they want about whether or not they think it is fair or exciting for fans or whatever other factors but in the end the real justification is in the math and I can prove it on another thread or you can look at other proofs if you want but that is basically all. MLG uses the extended series because it has a significant impact on increasing the odds that the best player will win the tournament while also not adding many games. All the same arguments that can be made about extended series can be made about seeding or even double elimination so before arguing take into account the statistical logic. i dont want to spark another extended series debate, but i feel that you characterize the discussion incorrectly. The basis of the argument is whether you feel that a tournament is to find the empirically best starcraft player among the group, or whether it is to find the best starcraft tournament player of that day (a la poker). If it is the latter, then treating regames as individual events instead of an extended series is favorable. i'm not arguing for either side, but thats what the discussion is mostly about. | ||
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Wiccolo
United States1 Post
"State of the Game features four of the most well-known personalities from the Starcraft 2 eSports scene: JP 'itmeJP' McDaniel, Sean 'Day[9]' Plott, Geoff 'iNcontrol' Robinson, and Tyler 'TLAF-LiquidTyler' Wasieleski. Each week the four hosts and sometimes a fifth guest recap what they've been up to in SC2, discuss the latest news and announcements, break down patch notes, break open build orders and strategies, and answer user submitted questions." What the stickler inside me would suggest: "... Each week the four hosts and an occasional fifth guest recap what they've been up to in SC2, discuss the latest news and announcements, break down patch notes, break open build orders and strategies, and answer user submitted questions." | ||
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Basic
Canada288 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 10 2010 02:04 BetterFasterStronger wrote: if you guys don't stop talking about extended series incontrol is going to extend his foot in your ass! HAHA! I swear, there are at least 500+ posts about this topic and the SOTG host had a mind-melting 1 hour + conversation with MLG Lee himself about this. Those were dark times, my friend. It always turns into a clusterfuck of people having a circular, unresolvable dead-end conversation regarding "what is fair". As an aside, next time SOTG gets a chance to talk to MLG, they should argue that it's bad for the sport and there business. That's an argument MLG should understand and respect. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
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Crichton
Japan196 Posts
On December 10 2010 02:06 Defacer wrote: I agree. It's seems that whenever someone comes on this thread with an honest question or criticism, they get flamed for being "a troll" or "boring" or "a whiner" by TL and sometimes the hosts themselves. This thread is actually starting to turn me off of the show, to be honest. Part of the fun of listening to the show is being able to discuss it on the boards afterwards with other listeners. Now it seems impossible to have a normal-ass conversation. I agree. Why even have a thread if you're going to threaten to ban people for talking about what's discussed on the show? | ||
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nard
Germany124 Posts
some (hopefully constructive) criticism to JP: Sometimes you seem to try too hard to get a controversial statement from the others (mostly incontrol tho). its really the only thing throwing me off. dont worry about it, they will come anyway and seem more genuine then. hope u can get my point, english is not my 1st language. keep the podcast going! | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
On December 10 2010 03:17 Defacer wrote: HAHA! I swear, there are at least 500+ posts about this topic and the SOTG host had a mind-melting 1 hour + conversation with MLG Lee himself about this. Those were dark times, my friend. It always turns into a clusterfuck of people having a circular, unresolvable dead-end conversation regarding "what is fair". As an aside, next time SOTG gets a chance to talk to MLG, they should argue that it's bad for the sport and there business. That's an argument MLG should understand and respect. It's good for MLG's business, if not for extended series we wouldn't still be talking about MLG. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 10 2010 10:39 Shakes wrote: It's good for MLG's business, if not for extended series we wouldn't still be talking about MLG. Touche. MLG's business plan = annoy fan's into perpetual, sustainable, marketable rage. New rule: Players that show up five minutes late for post-game interview with JP have to play without keyboards. Let's make this happen folks! | ||
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Firereaver
India1701 Posts
Also a limit cap on subscriptions, maybe something requiring a donation/contribution(one-time) pre-requisite. This is I feel important because only those who value their subscription and time in the forums enuff to put down some cash should be here, in reality. And I am sure that the people who don't care enuff to put down the cash SHOULD NOT be posting members. This will also decrease smurf accounts and the like! The priviledge to post here is I feel a really big one that many of us take for granted. Which is why we find people refuting pro-gamers inanely on the strat forums. IMO. | ||
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