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J7S
Profile Joined March 2009
Brazil179 Posts
December 09 2010 16:48 GMT
#6961
Totally agree with bringing Tasteless to the podcast!
"Mein Führer, I can walk!" - Dr. Strangelove
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
December 09 2010 16:49 GMT
#6962
Okay, I could have swore I heard Tyler say on the cast that it was the latter. Well if it is the "loser has to win 2 BO3s to win" interpretation, then that doesn't solve the "unfairness" aspect of the extended series. If A wins 2-0 against B. Then later they meet up again, B wins 2-1 in the first BO3. Their total historical record now is A: 3-2 win-loss and B: 2-3 win-loss. B wins the final BO3 with another 2-1, so their final total historical record is 4-4 win-loss for both of them but B still gets to move on.
hackmed
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom74 Posts
December 09 2010 16:52 GMT
#6963
On December 10 2010 01:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
FUCK extended series is like a virus.

STOP talking about it please



On December 10 2010 01:49 djcube wrote:
Okay, I could have swore I heard Tyler say on the cast that it was the latter. Well if it is the "loser has to win 2 BO3s to win" interpretation, then that doesn't solve the "unfairness" aspect of the extended series. If A wins 2-0 against B. Then later they meet up again, B wins 2-1 in the first BO3. Their total historical record now is A: 3-2 win-loss and B: 2-3 win-loss. B wins the final BO3 with another 2-1, so their final total historical record is 4-4 win-loss for both of them but B still gets to move on.


Hahahaha, poor incontrol
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 09 2010 16:53 GMT
#6964
Didn't we talk this extended series stuff out, like, 30 pages ago?

I've sworn we've gone through this twice already.

Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 16:56:27
December 09 2010 16:55 GMT
#6965
Edit:nevermind:+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2010 01:49 djcube wrote:
Okay, I could have swore I heard Tyler say on the cast that it was the latter. Well if it is the "loser has to win 2 BO3s to win" interpretation, then that doesn't solve the "unfairness" aspect of the extended series. If A wins 2-0 against B. Then later they meet up again, B wins 2-1 in the first BO3. Their total historical record now is A: 3-2 win-loss and B: 2-3 win-loss. B wins the final BO3 with another 2-1, so their final total historical record is 4-4 win-loss for both of them but B still gets to move on.

Please stop discussing this rule in this thread, it's been kicked like a dead horse for weeks.
(wow, and incontrol literally just said to stop...bans come next, he asked nicely)+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2010 01:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
FUCK extended series is like a virus.

STOP talking about it please


Side note: Thanks again for doing a show this week, it helps maintain sanity during finals time Are the preshows recorded, btw?
SlipperySnake
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
248 Posts
December 09 2010 17:01 GMT
#6966
Hate to beat on this topic, but can someone clarify this for me? Does extended series rule mean that the disadvantaged player has to win two actual Bo3s or does it mean what the name itself suggests that the when the two players meet again, their previous score (e.g 2:1) is maintained and it's as if the series is "extended" to a Bo4 with the advantaged player being up 2-1 in a Bo4 series? I'm hearing both interpretations, which vastly changes the arguments for or against the rule.


It means if two player meet the continue their previous series. So if in the first match Player1 lost to Player2 2-0 and they met again in the loser bracket the series would pick up at 2-0 and Player1 would have to win 4 games to knock out Player2.
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
December 09 2010 17:04 GMT
#6967
if you guys don't stop talking about extended series incontrol is going to extend his foot in your ass!
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 09 2010 17:06 GMT
#6968
On December 10 2010 00:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2010 17:15 MrCon wrote:
On December 09 2010 09:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more boring... there was a CB discussion -________-

bleh
We talked about this because you talked about this (but without elaborating). Don't you have any comment to do about this ? (besides "it's boring lol" I mean) And perhaps it is boring but it's still the first interresting discussion in like 200 pages of trolling and flaming...

Anyway, thanx Tyller for sharing your thoughts

edit : ok, so this topic is for flame only, this is so disapointing at so much levels.


would love to see this one closed(or renamed to "troll sotg here!") and a new clean one reopened . the amount stupidity hurts me so bad evrytime im lookin for a alternative dl link.




I agree. It's seems that whenever someone comes on this thread with an honest question or criticism, they get flamed for being "a troll" or "boring" or "a whiner" by TL and sometimes the hosts themselves.

This thread is actually starting to turn me off of the show, to be honest. Part of the fun of listening to the show is being able to discuss it on the boards afterwards with other listeners.

Now it seems impossible to have a normal-ass conversation.

SlipperySnake
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
248 Posts
December 09 2010 17:09 GMT
#6969
Extended series is simply better at statistically determining the best player. People can argue all they want about whether or not they think it is fair or exciting for fans or whatever other factors but in the end the real justification is in the math and I can prove it on another thread or you can look at other proofs if you want but that is basically all.

MLG uses the extended series because it has a significant impact on increasing the odds that the best player will win the tournament while also not adding many games. All the same arguments that can be made about extended series can be made about seeding or even double elimination so before arguing take into account the statistical logic.
gods_basement
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
December 09 2010 17:14 GMT
#6970
On December 10 2010 02:09 SlipperySnake wrote:
Extended series is simply better at statistically determining the best player. People can argue all they want about whether or not they think it is fair or exciting for fans or whatever other factors but in the end the real justification is in the math and I can prove it on another thread or you can look at other proofs if you want but that is basically all.

MLG uses the extended series because it has a significant impact on increasing the odds that the best player will win the tournament while also not adding many games. All the same arguments that can be made about extended series can be made about seeding or even double elimination so before arguing take into account the statistical logic.


i dont want to spark another extended series debate, but i feel that you characterize the discussion incorrectly. The basis of the argument is whether you feel that a tournament is to find the empirically best starcraft player among the group, or whether it is to find the best starcraft tournament player of that day (a la poker). If it is the latter, then treating regames as individual events instead of an extended series is favorable.

i'm not arguing for either side, but thats what the discussion is mostly about.
(TT~TT)
Wiccolo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1 Post
December 09 2010 17:32 GMT
#6971
From the site:

"State of the Game features four of the most well-known personalities from the Starcraft 2 eSports scene: JP 'itmeJP' McDaniel, Sean 'Day[9]' Plott, Geoff 'iNcontrol' Robinson, and Tyler 'TLAF-LiquidTyler' Wasieleski. Each week the four hosts and sometimes a fifth guest recap what they've been up to in SC2, discuss the latest news and announcements, break down patch notes, break open build orders and strategies, and answer user submitted questions."

What the stickler inside me would suggest:

"... Each week the four hosts and an occasional fifth guest recap what they've been up to in SC2, discuss the latest news and announcements, break down patch notes, break open build orders and strategies, and answer user submitted questions."
Basic
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada288 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 18:14:36
December 09 2010 18:13 GMT
#6972
Man InControl is hilarious. Has to be my new favorite commentary in regards to StarCraft; very articulate as well.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 09 2010 18:17 GMT
#6973
On December 10 2010 02:04 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
if you guys don't stop talking about extended series incontrol is going to extend his foot in your ass!



HAHA!

I swear, there are at least 500+ posts about this topic and the SOTG host had a mind-melting 1 hour + conversation with MLG Lee himself about this.

Those were dark times, my friend.

It always turns into a clusterfuck of people having a circular, unresolvable dead-end conversation regarding "what is fair".

As an aside, next time SOTG gets a chance to talk to MLG, they should argue that it's bad for the sport and there business. That's an argument MLG should understand and respect.

craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
December 09 2010 19:16 GMT
#6974
"he probably thought Huk was his son"

I lol'd
Hello World!
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
December 09 2010 20:48 GMT
#6975
Alright well then my initial point was proven. People don't know exactly what extended series is and continue arguing about it. Okay, I'm out.
Crichton
Profile Joined September 2010
Japan196 Posts
December 09 2010 22:03 GMT
#6976
On December 10 2010 02:06 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 00:43 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On December 09 2010 17:15 MrCon wrote:
On December 09 2010 09:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more boring... there was a CB discussion -________-

bleh
We talked about this because you talked about this (but without elaborating). Don't you have any comment to do about this ? (besides "it's boring lol" I mean) And perhaps it is boring but it's still the first interresting discussion in like 200 pages of trolling and flaming...

Anyway, thanx Tyller for sharing your thoughts

edit : ok, so this topic is for flame only, this is so disapointing at so much levels.


would love to see this one closed(or renamed to "troll sotg here!") and a new clean one reopened . the amount stupidity hurts me so bad evrytime im lookin for a alternative dl link.




I agree. It's seems that whenever someone comes on this thread with an honest question or criticism, they get flamed for being "a troll" or "boring" or "a whiner" by TL and sometimes the hosts themselves.

This thread is actually starting to turn me off of the show, to be honest. Part of the fun of listening to the show is being able to discuss it on the boards afterwards with other listeners.

Now it seems impossible to have a normal-ass conversation.



I agree. Why even have a thread if you're going to threaten to ban people for talking about what's discussed on the show?
Protoss is the easy race, but I'm sticking with it.
nard
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany124 Posts
December 10 2010 01:37 GMT
#6977
love the show, this podcast is one of the few ways i can keep slightly updated on the sc2 scene being in a developing country atm.
some (hopefully constructive) criticism to JP: Sometimes you seem to try too hard to get a controversial statement from the others (mostly incontrol tho). its really the only thing throwing me off. dont worry about it, they will come anyway and seem more genuine then.
hope u can get my point, english is not my 1st language.

keep the podcast going!


Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
December 10 2010 01:39 GMT
#6978
On December 10 2010 03:17 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 02:04 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
if you guys don't stop talking about extended series incontrol is going to extend his foot in your ass!



HAHA!

I swear, there are at least 500+ posts about this topic and the SOTG host had a mind-melting 1 hour + conversation with MLG Lee himself about this.

Those were dark times, my friend.

It always turns into a clusterfuck of people having a circular, unresolvable dead-end conversation regarding "what is fair".

As an aside, next time SOTG gets a chance to talk to MLG, they should argue that it's bad for the sport and there business. That's an argument MLG should understand and respect.



It's good for MLG's business, if not for extended series we wouldn't still be talking about MLG.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
December 10 2010 01:46 GMT
#6979
On December 10 2010 10:39 Shakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 03:17 Defacer wrote:
On December 10 2010 02:04 BetterFasterStronger wrote:
if you guys don't stop talking about extended series incontrol is going to extend his foot in your ass!



HAHA!

I swear, there are at least 500+ posts about this topic and the SOTG host had a mind-melting 1 hour + conversation with MLG Lee himself about this.

Those were dark times, my friend.

It always turns into a clusterfuck of people having a circular, unresolvable dead-end conversation regarding "what is fair".

As an aside, next time SOTG gets a chance to talk to MLG, they should argue that it's bad for the sport and there business. That's an argument MLG should understand and respect.



It's good for MLG's business, if not for extended series we wouldn't still be talking about MLG.


Touche.

MLG's business plan = annoy fan's into perpetual, sustainable, marketable rage.

New rule: Players that show up five minutes late for post-game interview with JP have to play without keyboards. Let's make this happen folks!
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
December 10 2010 02:56 GMT
#6980
I think Teamliquid needs a complete re-boot!! Just shut-down and restart with everyone on equal posts and MUCH stricter rules. A separate pro-only strat forum where doubts can only be PM-ed and only the pro decides what questions he decides to choose from the PM!
Also a limit cap on subscriptions, maybe something requiring a donation/contribution(one-time) pre-requisite. This is I feel important because only those who value their subscription and time in the forums enuff to put down some cash should be here, in reality.
And I am sure that the people who don't care enuff to put down the cash SHOULD NOT be posting members. This will also decrease smurf accounts and the like! The priviledge to post here is I feel a really big one that many of us take for granted. Which is why we find people refuting pro-gamers inanely on the strat forums.
IMO.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
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