EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 337
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nialo
United States11 Posts
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delo
United States333 Posts
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SlipperySnake
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Tone_
United Kingdom554 Posts
On December 07 2010 07:54 SlipperySnake wrote: I don't understand why anyone is talking about how bad Incontrol's argument was because he was pretty much being gangbanged by two of the most baised zerg players out there. For each time Incontrol said something Idra and Artosis got two responses. It was in no way a fair fight and just saying that Incontrol isn't on your level is pretty arrogant and ignorant. The stupid zerg and korean bias gets so old even in GSL. Artosis still sucks every zerg's dick and even started to talk about how great scrap station was for terran in tvz. It seems the joke about people like you on the TL forum every week in SoTG is beyond you. Keep your useless comments to yourself unless you're going to say something remotely useful or logical and not just 4 year old dribble about dick sucking. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 07 2010 07:56 Tone_ wrote: It seems the joke about people like you on the TL forum every week in SoTG is beyond you. Keep your useless comments to yourself unless you're going to say something remotely useful or logical and not just 4 year old dribble about dick sucking. +1 | ||
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JMDj
United States454 Posts
You can really tell how Incontrol starts to get frustrated when he's losing a debate and he just starts attacking the other person (ie: calling Artosis and Idra fucking idiots and bitches). On this week's episode Artosis and Idra were making some valid points and Incontrol just resorted to saying whatever he could to make himself look less stupid. I think Artosis did the smart thing in just suggesting to move on to the next subject because he knew Incontrol had no real argument. Edit: This isn't meant to bash Incontrol, I think he's the shit, I just think someone else should maybe take his place in protoss debates. | ||
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StarStruck
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Arch00
United States233 Posts
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DoubleLariat
Canada190 Posts
Lol normally I'm not the hugest fan of inControl's ability to argue a point - but I really think that this time he was doing a good job. When he spoke from his experience, Idra was the one deriding him saying he wasn't on the Korean server. But notice that was his trump point to shut down all other argumentation? inControl's very valid points about North American servers and the way that it's played here are valid ways to keep the argumentation honest and on point - so as to make idra and artosis articulate their arguments better. They basically said we have troubles with phoenix in Korea so stfu. How is that argument really all that much better than inControl's "we don't have that problem in NA." I also wanted to comment about what inControl said about the live chat telling him to shut the fuck up. Live chat is meant to create an interactive experience... and if douchebags like that means that we lose that interactive experience... maybe you're the ones that need to shut the fuck up and let the man talk. Be constructive and useful (like the guy posting pictures of the pylon block) or just be quiet. Self-censoring is golden and a good social lubricant that keeps good things good. You could see that inControl wanted to keep talking (especially on the fungal point) but just stopped. Did the live chat stop a strong healthy debate from continuing? That's a bad thing. On another point, this needed more Nony. =P | ||
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Streltsy
Canada98 Posts
On December 07 2010 08:53 Xde wrote: Incontrol is my favorite person on the podcast, but I really don't think he should be debating. You can really tell how Incontrol starts to get frustrated when he's losing a debate and he just starts attacking the other person (ie: calling Artosis and Idra fucking idiots and bitches). On this week's episode Artosis and Idra were making some valid points and Incontrol just resorted to saying whatever he could to make himself look less stupid. I think Artosis did the smart thing in just suggesting to move on to the next subject because he knew Incontrol had no real argument. Edit: This isn't meant to bash Incontrol, I think he's the shit, I just think someone else should maybe take his place in protoss debates. Pretty much this, the guy is funny and I love him when he casts, he's also obviously intelligent. But I'm not gonna walk around it, he argues from the heart first and head second, that is, from emotion and that isn't really good when debating things. With these type of people, it'll usually end in two ways: 1. A shouting match, 2. The emotional guy getting all sad people don't respect his baseless opinion and, in dejection, says "fine, you're right, w/e" and sulks, while the others will try to console him. InControl is not unique in this way, but you can tell the difference between him and Nony for example, the latter stays pretty chill and level-headed even if you deliberately throw little quips and barbs at him. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
Artosis and IdrA's argument basically boiled down to their experience the past two weeks on the Korean server with a new build. They might have more experience than InControl with it, but barely. JP made the right call by ending the argument, because it's all theorycraft until these guys actually try these builds on the PTR. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
Debate club training or experience doesn't necessarily bear on the way someone debates in all realms of the word. Debate is a very versatile word that can describe many situations. Almost all academic, political, or otherwise organized debates are, compared to the casual discussions that SotG features, intensely structured and prepared. Parties enter the debate with a case, a strategy, with contingencies and counter-arguments, all framed by a strict plan of talking points enforced by an arbiter. Just like the builds professional gamers field in their matches are wrought after lengthy practice, experimentation, and discussion, so are well-prepared debate cases backed by comprehensive research. I believe this kind of debate is in no way what SotG is aiming to host. In fact, extensive preparation is inherently opposed to the goal of cutting edge coverage of developments in the scene. Evidence about the topics discussed takes time to accrue, and research of it demands still more time. A proper, prepared, evidence-backed debate about the consequences of any patch change would only happen at the very least a month after the changes go live. What we have here is educated speculation, presented in a light-hearted manner as to be entertaining. So please don't cite Geoff's debate club experience as reason why he should argue as if he had prepared a 100 page thesis on the issue. He's not a one man think tank, and even if he were, no one can go beyond gut reaction when arguing material that appears out of thin air not a day or two prior. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
he really hasn't seen infestor play to counter phoenix? LOL. it's truly the best because hydra gets countered by coll transition and corrupter gets countered by stalker transition. i wish greg and artosis would of explained this.. since then it might of made more sense. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
damn $150USD/Hour is crazy | ||
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Jefferino
United States69 Posts
On December 07 2010 09:48 .kv wrote: LOVE this. damn $150USD/Hour is crazy I'll take the private super-trip to Dubai personally =P | ||
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ApBuLLet
United States604 Posts
On December 07 2010 05:32 MisterPuppy wrote: well with incontrol being a prick and picking on artosis the whole time even though he is wrong about everything, the entire podcast kinda needs somebody to cut the ice. Do you have any friends? If you do it is hard to believe. If you did... you would understand that iNcontroL and Artosis are FRIENDS and friends joke around. That is all they are doing, joking around with each other while having a serious debate about StarCraft. I'm pretty sure they've known each other for a very long time since they have both been at the top of the U.S. Brood War scene for many years. Not to mention iNcontroL LIVED with Artosis while he was in Korea. That is why Day[9] laughs, because he understands that they are joking and jokes are funny, not to "cut the ice". And as far as him being "wrong about everything", maybe you should get your own shit straight and figure out what you are talking about before you criticize a top 200 player. These whiner posts are getting so old, I can only imagine how frustrating and actually upsetting it is to the people on the show. Thankfully they realize there are people who DO appreciate the show so they keep doing it. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
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gutter
United States22 Posts
Then all the listeners flock to the forums and say LOL INCONTROL HAD NO POINT WOW HE MAKES HORRIBLE ARGUMENTS, or then say NO NO GUYS ARTOSIS AND IDRA MADE REAL POINTS AND INCONTROL JUST WAS ARGUING WITHOUT ANY REASONING BEHIND HIS ARGUMENTS. How about this? Idra and Artosis were saying that on the Korean server, there's a trend for Toss to open Stargate and on the Korean server many top Zergs are trying to counter that by going Infestor for Fungal Growth. Incontrol said that on the US server, Phoenix play is less common, and Infestors to COUNTER Phoenix play is less common still. This presents two perspectives, and both of them are very valuable. Incontrol can't really comment very much on the Korean server but he certainly has a great perspective on what's going on in the U.S. Idra and Artosis, instead, are presenting what's going on with the Koreans. Idra/Artosis let us know that Phoenixes may become a problem with the new patch, while Incontrol informs us that there may be other directions to go with the game where the change is less of an impact. Hey, guess what. No one lost, and no one won, the "debate". This isn't just about this particular discussion, either. You could apply it to almost any argument that takes place on the show. Sometimes insults are hurled, but the HOSTS and the GUESTS know it's all in good fun so why can't WE accept that those things are all in good fun too? I was HEAVILY involved in academic debate for four years of my life, and nothing you come across in "real life" really resembles what "true" debate really is. How about we stop trying to find winners and losers and instead take the information for what it's worth. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 07 2010 10:01 ApBuLLet wrote: These whiner posts are getting so old, I can only imagine how frustrating and actually upsetting it is to the people on the show. Thankfully they realize there are people who DO appreciate the show so they keep doing it. WORD. This thread is depressing. It seems like no one can discuss an issue without dragging a host's personality or the way-they-speak or their gaming experience blah blah blah ... I mean, do people WANT a message board that DOESN'T have players or hosts involved? Because that's what it's going to turn into if people don't start showing some respect. Shit, if I were the hosts I wouldn't go near this thread with a ten foot pole. | ||
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
Oh, and after reading a little in the thread I want to add a FRICKIN' HUGE!!!! THANK YOU for doing this, producing content like this for the community is really awesome. It saddens me that the most vocal listeners are in fact ehm... the most mentally lacking as well, but I want you to know that there are those of us who just likes to sit back and enjoy the show and get input on the game from top players. So thanks. | ||
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