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On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf
No one is a dick, just watch both shows or watch one show and quit bitching about nothing for god sake.
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Yeah this meta idea is really a bad idea by Artosis.
I am not sure if it is meant as "dick" move but it sure looks like one from an outside perspective, seems to be bad for most people involved imo.
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On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf and i didnt say he committed a crime... just saying it was a scumbag move and is screwing over his "friend"
did you mean to respond to the person i responded to? or were you agreeing with me in a confusing manner...
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On April 26 2013 05:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf No one is a dick, just watch both shows or watch one show and quit bitching about nothing for god sake.
this was not a dick move by Artosis?
Even when he invited everybody that is running on SotG lately?
I dont know man. I would be pretty mad.
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On April 26 2013 06:00 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf and i didnt say he committed a crime... just saying it was a scumbag move and is screwing over his "friend" did you mean to respond to the person i responded to? or were you agreeing with me in a confusing manner...
wanted to echo ur sentiment and add my own. am def not disagreeing with you lol i realized my quote'ing was bassackwards but dont feel the need to change it as i liked what you wrote.
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On April 26 2013 05:57 crms wrote:
Should be a good show.
I'm hoping we get a response from TB about the ShoutCraft America event. While this is a great event, I find it odd he's getting universal praise. It seems as though hes playing both sides of the fence. After all, the lions share of the Koreans participating in the NA WCS were from western teams like Axiom and EG. So, he's outraged over the rule set that allows KR to play in NA WCS, yet sends all his players to play in NA WCS.... It makes sense as the qualifier should be easier but seems weak to participate in this 'exploit' yourself while demonizing it all at once.
All of this is followed by hosting an NA only tournament as if you're a savior to the NA scene and a sympathizer of it's plight after just pillaging it for yourself the week before.
TB nor Gen sent any of their players anywhere, they picked where they wanted to compete
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On April 26 2013 05:58 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf No one is a dick, just watch both shows or watch one show and quit bitching about nothing for god sake.
if i call someone a scumbag...how is that bitching?
Im not complaining that he stole JP's idea. Im not complaining that he is a scumbag...
im stating my opinion that it was a scumbag move.
and JP SHOULD be pissed and ranting and raving because this is how he pays his goddamn bills, and for someone to essentially shit on everything you have built, by quitting, copying, and recreating YOUR idea for money...
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On April 26 2013 05:55 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:On April 26 2013 05:09 Klipsys wrote:
I hope TB really grills the blizzard guy and gets some answers for us. I just hope people don't expect TB and the crew to be rude to Croaken or harass him for answers. Everyone on the show is a professional and there will be questions that Croaken cannot answer. I am sure Croaken is going to come prepared and wants to answer their questions and TB isn't going to take fluff answers, but he isn't going an ass-hole. After all that drama, I am hoping for some professional discussion of the issues and maybe some fun. We should all be looking to get back to enjoying SC2 again. You know that his name is Cloaken, not Croaken, right?
Fuck auto correct, why did it do that. Damn it. I will edit the first post.
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Suddenly, it's TB and djWheat now on Rollplay.
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What is it that makes it unacceptable for artosis to make his own show? Let's imagine for a moment that him and jp are on good terms and artosis just decides he wants to try to make his own show. Why would it not be ok for him to do that? It seems silly to be like "there's already a show, you aren't allowed to make another one".
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ahhhhhh start it i want answeres!!! can't wait should be great!
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On April 26 2013 06:01 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:57 crms wrote:
Should be a good show.
I'm hoping we get a response from TB about the ShoutCraft America event. While this is a great event, I find it odd he's getting universal praise. It seems as though hes playing both sides of the fence. After all, the lions share of the Koreans participating in the NA WCS were from western teams like Axiom and EG. So, he's outraged over the rule set that allows KR to play in NA WCS, yet sends all his players to play in NA WCS.... It makes sense as the qualifier should be easier but seems weak to participate in this 'exploit' yourself while demonizing it all at once.
All of this is followed by hosting an NA only tournament as if you're a savior to the NA scene and a sympathizer of it's plight after just pillaging it for yourself the week before.
TB nor Gen sent any of their players anywhere, they picked where they wanted to compete
And TB was what I remembered never against kr participating?
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On April 26 2013 06:02 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:58 Dodgin wrote:On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf No one is a dick, just watch both shows or watch one show and quit bitching about nothing for god sake. if i call someone a scumbag...how is that bitching? Im not complaining that he stole JP's idea. Im not complaining that he is a scumbag... im stating my opinion that it was a scumbag move.
You should write a blog about your feelings
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On April 26 2013 06:01 Slider954 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:57 crms wrote:
Should be a good show.
I'm hoping we get a response from TB about the ShoutCraft America event. While this is a great event, I find it odd he's getting universal praise. It seems as though hes playing both sides of the fence. After all, the lions share of the Koreans participating in the NA WCS were from western teams like Axiom and EG. So, he's outraged over the rule set that allows KR to play in NA WCS, yet sends all his players to play in NA WCS.... It makes sense as the qualifier should be easier but seems weak to participate in this 'exploit' yourself while demonizing it all at once.
All of this is followed by hosting an NA only tournament as if you're a savior to the NA scene and a sympathizer of it's plight after just pillaging it for yourself the week before.
TB nor Gen sent any of their players anywhere, they picked where they wanted to compete
you're not arguing, just semantics.
Their KR players competed in the NA WCS, which is the entire point. I'm sorry I used the word 'send' do you have anything to actually say about the topic?
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On April 26 2013 06:01 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:00 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf and i didnt say he committed a crime... just saying it was a scumbag move and is screwing over his "friend" did you mean to respond to the person i responded to? or were you agreeing with me in a confusing manner... wanted to echo ur sentiment and add my own. am def not disagreeing with you lol i realized my quote'ing was bassackwards but dont feel the need to change it as i liked what you wrote.
thats nice 
its sad people would even disagree considering...
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everyone was just sitting there looking awkward lol
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On April 26 2013 06:02 Mohdoo wrote:
What is it that makes it unacceptable for artosis to make his own show? Let's imagine for a moment that him and jp are on good terms and artosis just decides he wants to try to make his own show. Why would it not be ok for him to do that? It seems silly to be like "there's already a show, you aren't allowed to make another one".
For one he took the same exact hosts that have been on SOTG lately, didn't even try to change the format at all.
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On April 26 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:02 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:58 Dodgin wrote:On April 26 2013 05:58 MaestroSC wrote:On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?
If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying
Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always... what are you talking about none of that made any sense. JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.) what did JP do that makes him a dick? put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>? Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host... and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf No one is a dick, just watch both shows or watch one show and quit bitching about nothing for god sake. if i call someone a scumbag...how is that bitching? Im not complaining that he stole JP's idea. Im not complaining that he is a scumbag... im stating my opinion that it was a scumbag move. You should write a blog about your feelings
Or I should you know...
post in a relevant thread created for purposes of discussing things involving and surrounding the show...
mindblowing right?
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On April 26 2013 06:03 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:01 Slider954 wrote:On April 26 2013 05:57 crms wrote:
Should be a good show.
I'm hoping we get a response from TB about the ShoutCraft America event. While this is a great event, I find it odd he's getting universal praise. It seems as though hes playing both sides of the fence. After all, the lions share of the Koreans participating in the NA WCS were from western teams like Axiom and EG. So, he's outraged over the rule set that allows KR to play in NA WCS, yet sends all his players to play in NA WCS.... It makes sense as the qualifier should be easier but seems weak to participate in this 'exploit' yourself while demonizing it all at once.
All of this is followed by hosting an NA only tournament as if you're a savior to the NA scene and a sympathizer of it's plight after just pillaging it for yourself the week before.
TB nor Gen sent any of their players anywhere, they picked where they wanted to compete you're not arguing, just semantics. Their KR players competed in the NA WCS, which is the entire point. I'm sorry I used the word 'send' do you have anything to actually say about the topic?
I blame Blizzard's system over the team managers, it would be silly to not take advantage of the potential monetary gain from WCS NA, have you seen the GSL ro16? Axiom players outside Ryung aren't on that level, this is what they have to do to stay relevant.
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On April 26 2013 05:55 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:50 Schelim wrote:
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused. cause whenever JP has a good idea people steal it in order to make money for themselves instead ? basic capitalism lol sad but true... idk what any1 elses opinion is... but i think its a fucking atrocity that Artosis is essentially saying, "Hey, i have this awesome idea for a show... I'll create SotG, without JP, and I'll steal his co-hosts. That way I dont have to worry about establishing a name/following for it... since SotG has been around for like 3 years already." like literally SotG started in the beta as a show about the meta game, the tournament scene, and the top news stories and now how many clones/copies do we have of SotG now? idk i just find it disgusting to be on a show for 3 years and then "well im making my own version of the show without the guy that invited me onto his show 3 years ago"
Well, a couple of things.
The money that Artosis is going to earn from this show is absolutely negligible compared to the amount of money he already makes. I don't buy the argument that Artosis is primarily motivated by financial reasons at all.
Let's step back for a second here. Artosis is making another show that's different from SotG; he's stated that he wants to focus on different things himself. That's why he's making another show! And the concept of a stream where you invite guests to talk about a game on a regular basis is by no means property of SotG; people have been doing this for a long time. So Artosis isn't "copying" or "stealing" SotG; in fact, his show broadcasted at a time when SotG wasn't even on, so he's not even stealing people away from SotG. It's not as if people are limited to being on one stream a week.
And even if he was directly copying the show and stealing the guests, which he isn't, I'd hardly consider that "a fucking atrocity". I mean, c'mon, man. This is a talk show about SC2. Let's not devalue the word here; it should be reserved for things that are actually terrible.
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