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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
April 25 2013 20:40 GMT
#53261
Holy shit guys. Holy shit. Who was saying that SOTG was getting the short end of the stick due to Artosis' Meta?

Well, well done JP. SO fucking excited. Holy shhhhiiiitttttt.

This is what I always envisioned SOTG to be. Oh man I hope this continues. Oh man.

djWHEAT and TB! Holy crap this is going to be awesome! (And a Blizzard rep - you've really outdone yourself JP).
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 21:03:30
April 25 2013 20:42 GMT
#53262
On April 26 2013 05:09 Klipsys wrote:
I hope TB really grills the blizzard guy and gets some answers for us.


I just hope people don't expect TB and the crew to be rude to Cloaken or harass him for answers. Everyone on the show is a professional and there will be questions that Cloaken cannot answer. I am sure Cloaken is going to come prepared and wants to answer their questions and TB isn't going to take fluff answers, but he isn't going an ass-hole.

After all that drama, I am hoping for some professional discussion of the issues and maybe some fun. We should all be looking to get back to enjoying SC2 again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
April 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#53263
On April 26 2013 05:34 MCXD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 04:40 MaestroSC wrote:
On April 26 2013 04:07 yoyobags wrote:
hoping this wont be a complete ripoff of meta



i like how SotG... which has been around since the Beta... gets called a "ripoff" of other SC2 shows lol...

Like when Idra was on Inside the Game and said JP was "stealing their content and ideas"....while talking on DjWheat's own ripoff of State of the Game.


THIS JUST IN, State of the Game is the ORIGINAL show of all these spinoffs and clones that people are making now...are ripping off... even outside of SC2... like... fucking State of the League, where they literally stole the concept of the show and didnt even bother changing anything but one word of the show title... (that and SotL is TERRIBLE since their host is awkward as fuck, i tried to watch it when i was playing LoL cause i was such a fan of SotG)

I love how some newbie with 7 posts in his expansive history with esports would come to the SotG thread and act like its stealing any idea from ANY other show based around SC2, because without Jp and SotG, all these terrible shows that noone watches, wouldnt even exist.

Seriously it was itmeJP and then it was MrBitter and now we have countless other people trying to cash in on other peoples' idea... and some of their fans have the audacity to call their predecessors "ripoffs"

wow... this is why im losing faith in humanity... fml



You do realize the post you were getting mad about is actually sarcastic and a joke? lol...


even if it was sarcastic and a joke i still mean what I said because its not the first time some ignorant asshole said something about JP Stealing other shows' content... while there are literally dozens of esports shows that are stealing his content/ideas...

you even get people on these shows who call out SotG as "stealing content" and I guess it was just a dam building up and that sarcastic remark opened the flood gates.
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
April 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#53264
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?

If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying

Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always...
FlubberMan
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden13 Posts
April 25 2013 20:45 GMT
#53265
I reallllly hope they talk and discuss group B in Code S, probably the sickest ever. Would've been really fun to hear players discuss it like incontrol catz and also artosis.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 25 2013 20:46 GMT
#53266
On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?

If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying

Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always...

What a dumb overreaction. I haven't watched it, but this seems completely unfair to JP.
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PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:56:12
April 25 2013 20:48 GMT
#53267
On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?

If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying

Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always...


It's not a dick move, but it could be a response to Meta. It's called changing the show, otherwise we'd have two of the same shows. He's adapting on what the focus is and I am looking forward to it. But if you want to be cynical before the episode airs with your negative attitude go right ahead.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 25 2013 20:50 GMT
#53268
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused.
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
shaldengeki
Profile Joined May 2009
United States104 Posts
April 25 2013 20:53 GMT
#53269
AFAIK Artosis has stated his desire to move away from what he sees as "fluff" and more towards analysis of the game. There was also reportedly a bit of a falling-out between JP and Artosis over compensation. I'm not sure what else you're looking for in terms of a "statement or whatever on why Meta exists"?

I'm not sure why everyone is pretending that there's some crazy drama here. Shouldn't we all just enjoy shows for what they are instead of getting emotionally worked-up over supposed slights?
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 25 2013 20:54 GMT
#53270
On April 26 2013 05:50 Schelim wrote:
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused.

Artosis made a small statement at the end of Meta, he said he wasn't happy with the direction that SoTG was heading in and wanted a show more focussed on the game itself.
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 25 2013 20:55 GMT
#53271
On April 26 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 05:09 Klipsys wrote:
I hope TB really grills the blizzard guy and gets some answers for us.


I just hope people don't expect TB and the crew to be rude to Croaken or harass him for answers. Everyone on the show is a professional and there will be questions that Croaken cannot answer. I am sure Croaken is going to come prepared and wants to answer their questions and TB isn't going to take fluff answers, but he isn't going an ass-hole.

After all that drama, I am hoping for some professional discussion of the issues and maybe some fun. We should all be looking to get back to enjoying SC2 again.


You know that his name is Cloaken, not Croaken, right?
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:56:40
April 25 2013 20:55 GMT
#53272
On April 26 2013 05:50 Schelim wrote:
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused.


cause whenever JP has a good idea people steal it in order to make money for themselves instead ?

basic capitalism lol

sad but true... idk what any1 elses opinion is...

but i think its a fucking atrocity that Artosis is essentially saying,

"Hey, i have this awesome idea for a show... I'll create SotG, without JP, and I'll steal his co-hosts. That way I dont have to worry about establishing a name/following for it... since SotG has been around for like 3 years already."

like literally SotG started in the beta as a show about the meta game, the tournament scene, and the top news stories

and now how many clones/copies do we have of SotG now?

idk i just find it disgusting to be on a show for 3 years and then "well im making my own version of the show without the guy that invited me onto his show 3 years ago"
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:57:35
April 25 2013 20:56 GMT
#53273
On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?

If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying

Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always...

what are you talking about none of that made any sense.
JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.)
what did JP do that makes him a dick?
put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>?

EDIT: I agree with MaestroSC above me.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
itsKvP
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada11 Posts
April 25 2013 20:56 GMT
#53274
Is twitch down right now for everybody? Can't load up jps stream
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 25 2013 20:56 GMT
#53275
On April 26 2013 05:56 itsKvP wrote:
Is twitch down right now for everybody? Can't load up jps stream


It's just you
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
April 25 2013 20:57 GMT
#53276
On April 26 2013 05:54 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 05:50 Schelim wrote:
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused.

Artosis made a small statement at the end of Meta, he said he wasn't happy with the direction that SoTG was heading in and wanted a show more focussed on the game itself.

alright, thanks. also to the dude above. part of me likes that there are more shows that focus on different aspects, but another part thinks i won't be able to watch 2 shows every week
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
April 25 2013 20:57 GMT
#53277
Should be a good show.

I'm hoping we get a response from TB about the ShoutCraft America event. While this is a great event, I find it odd he's getting universal praise. It seems as though hes playing both sides of the fence. After all, the lions share of the Koreans participating in the NA WCS were from western teams like Axiom and EG. So, he's outraged over the rule set that allows KR to play in NA WCS, yet sends all his players to play in NA WCS.... It makes sense as the qualifier should be easier but seems weak to participate in this 'exploit' yourself while demonizing it all at once.

All of this is followed by hosting an NA only tournament as if you're a savior to the NA scene and a sympathizer of it's plight after just pillaging it for yourself the week before.

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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 25 2013 20:57 GMT
#53278
How dare JP bring on a good guest lineup, that's so offensive to the new show Meta which he has nothing to do with or any obligation to.

This community
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
April 25 2013 20:58 GMT
#53279
On April 26 2013 05:55 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 05:50 Schelim wrote:
has there been any official statement or whatever on why Meta exists? i'm still so confused.


cause whenever JP has a good idea people steal it in order to make money for themselves instead ?

basic capitalism lol

sad but true... idk what any1 elses opinion is...

but i think its a fucking atrocity that Artosis is essentially saying,

"Hey, i have this awesome idea for a show... I'll create SotG, without JP, and I'll steal his co-hosts. That way I dont have to worry about establishing a name/following for it... since SotG has been around for like 3 years already."

like literally SotG started in the beta as a show about the meta game, the tournament scene, and the top news stories

and now how many clones/copies do we have of SotG now?

idk i just find it disgusting to be on a show for 3 years and then "well im making my own version of the show without the guy that invited me onto his show 3 years ago"

Why do people have to sway it from one extreme to the other? Artosis hasn't committed a crime. No one screamed at MLG for stealing the idea of running a "Starcraft 2 Tournament" More content like this just leads to further competition, which in turn leads to improvements and results in a healthier scene.
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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 20:58:57
April 25 2013 20:58 GMT
#53280
On April 26 2013 05:56 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2013 05:44 MagnuMizer wrote:
Wow is this some attempt at a response to Meta?

If so it clearly sends a message, however not a positive one... Not a coincedence he suddenly pulled strings to get Blizz people on... Just saying

Stop being a dick JP, do it for the community and for your love of the game, not for competitive lame reasons or whatever grudge you have against Artosis.... Will tune in anyway, will just have to deal with you like always...

what are you talking about none of that made any sense.
JP gets great relivent guests before and after big live events since always. (i.e. sundance etc.)
what did JP do that makes him a dick?
put together an awesome show despite <whatever you want to guess happened to artosis>?



Artosis quits a show hes been a part of for 3 years, copies the idea... recreates it with himself as the host...

and somehow you think JP is a dick.... !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? fml wtf


and i didnt say he committed a crime... just saying it was a scumbag move and is screwing over his "friend"
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