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On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
He is complaining but still working hard. He has obviously not given up, but is understandably disappointed.
Yes Korea worked hard, but BW had some things going for it like no LOL or Dota competitor, widespread popularity in PC bangs and a very small geographical area. It still took them many years to get to this point. In addition at the start they didn't have to take shit about being bad compared to region X and people not wanting to watch them because they were not the best, they were still the best and therefore the focus.
NA could still probably get to that point as it also has some things going for it (like much more sponsor interest, feasible internet streaming and some support for Blizzard). If we could boost the development in NA down from 10 years to 3 years, why not? Yes Korea struggled and worked hard, but that is no reason to force current pros to do the same if we can help them out a bit. I'm not saying Americans shouldn't work hard, they should, but why not help provide them an infrastructure in which it is easier to focus solely on SC2 and get some help in how to do it (yes you need some coaching and peer support to work as hard as Koreans).
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On April 12 2013 12:41 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:40 tshi wrote:On April 12 2013 12:39 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 12:21 ThomasR wrote:
catz's english...cringe his english is fine. da da da you know, da yea i forgot about that i'm sure his written english is fine, but spoken english is something else I live in Southern California, so I'm very used to hearing people South-of-San Diego speak EN. I wanna say it's fine; he's well-spoken and the accent doesn't bother me i'm not talking about the accent..i have no problem with the accent i'm talking about the constant stuttering and the inability to speak coherently
i would bet a fair amount of money that you couldn't speak even 10% as well as that in a foreign language.
when will usa people stop thinking they're the center of the universe, jeez.
catz has like the best english of the non native english foreigners in sc2
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On April 12 2013 12:43 Enchanted wrote:
I wish someone would counter what Artosis is saying by saying what if a bunch of other code b koreans that are in team houses and kespa b players come over and rape all of the challenger league.
Tweet all four of them. I wish Moonglade and JP would talk more.
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On April 12 2013 12:29 Canucklehead wrote:
Ok catz bringing up the bullshit clg manager talk again now. It means nothing if clg said they were going to invest in sc2, if they never actually do. Anyone can talk like that. Now saying he reversed his decision due to koreans because there's no longer free money in the scene for them means nothing. It just shows that they had 0 commitment to the scene in the first place. Any manager of any team could have said the same thing. It's just fluff talk until action is taken.
Certainly would agree whether or not what someone might think on the overall issue. I strongly have to doubt that there has been some serious plan going by what I read there.
Anyways I wouldn't really know how to fix the issue anyways. I personally and no offense would find it unfair to have again so many true na players qualifying for the world championship.
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I don't see how WCS can be the infrastructure that Catz wants. It's just a tournament. Infrastructure could come from actually having more Koreans living here (Blizzard's hope, and for what it's worth, I hope they're right), but gaming isn't going to be accepted in NA any time soon compared to Korea.
Artosis I'm sure it takes years for the vast majority to become a pro gamer, but Scarlett does seem to have come out of nowhere. I wonder if they'll talk about that, though they'll probably say that it's clearly an exception.
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On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them
You have no idea what you are talking about. He is not whining in the slightest because he actually brings up valid points. Try listening and understanding what he is trying to get across instead of being an asshole
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On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them
exactly
artsosis is such a nice guy. he knows what's up. Artosis trying to show catz what it really is but in such a nice way.
catz has no idea how hard the koreans have worked to get where they are. Catz literally just wants it handed to him.
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Wow, CatZ whines all day and never concedes, jesus. If NA was only NA players I personally wouldn't watch. Koreans will bring viewers.
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On April 12 2013 12:49 Shelke14 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them You have no idea what you are talking about. He is not whining in the slightest because he actually brings up valid points. Try listening and understanding what he is trying to get across instead of being an asshole
actually no he's right. catz is a whiner pure and simple. listen to artosis and really listen to what he's saying.
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On April 12 2013 12:46 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:41 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:40 tshi wrote:On April 12 2013 12:39 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 12:21 ThomasR wrote:
catz's english...cringe his english is fine. da da da you know, da yea i forgot about that i'm sure his written english is fine, but spoken english is something else I live in Southern California, so I'm very used to hearing people South-of-San Diego speak EN. I wanna say it's fine; he's well-spoken and the accent doesn't bother me i'm not talking about the accent..i have no problem with the accent i'm talking about the constant stuttering and the inability to speak coherently i would bet a fair amount of money that you couldn't speak even 10% well as that in a foreign language. when will usa people stop thinking they're the center of the universe, jeez. catz has like the best english of the non native english foreigners in sc2
I speak Mandarin and French fluently, sup? Cash would be fine.
It seems that you're the one who truly believes that USA is the center of the universe, as you automatically assume that I'm American......jeez?
lol k
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Moonglade is awesome. I really like this guy.
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On April 12 2013 12:49 Ansinjunger wrote:
I don't see how WCS can be the infrastructure that Catz wants. It's just a tournament. Infrastructure could come from actually having more Koreans living here (Blizzard's hope, and for what it's worth, I hope they're right), but gaming isn't going to be accepted in NA any time soon compared to Korea.
Artosis I'm sure it takes years for the vast majority to become a pro gamer, but Scarlett does seem to have come out of nowhere. I wonder if they'll talk about that, though they'll probably say that it's clearly an exception.
CatZ's point is that a WCS tournament with only NA players would create an incentive for the NA players to play competitively and professionally, eventually building up to the level of Koreans in several years.
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On April 12 2013 12:50 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them exactly artsosis is such a nice guy. he knows what's up. Artosis trying to show catz what it really is but in such a nice way. catz has no idea how hard the koreans have worked to get where they are. Catz literally just wants it handed to him.
nah it's not what he wants he said it's ok if they decrease the prize money for NA
it's pretty much going to be 70% koreans in the NA code s, that's fucked up no matter how you look at it.
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Honestly living in your parents house without any job nor education playing video games isn't an option for almost 80% of the population, Just because some people had that privilege provided by their parents doesn't mean others do. Sacrifice is sacrifice however when you take into account that a guy has to work 9-10 hours a day and then has to train a minimum 5-6 hours a day there really isn't much opportunity by any means unless you luck out.
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On April 12 2013 12:51 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:46 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 12:41 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:40 tshi wrote:On April 12 2013 12:39 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 12:21 ThomasR wrote:
catz's english...cringe his english is fine. da da da you know, da yea i forgot about that i'm sure his written english is fine, but spoken english is something else I live in Southern California, so I'm very used to hearing people South-of-San Diego speak EN. I wanna say it's fine; he's well-spoken and the accent doesn't bother me i'm not talking about the accent..i have no problem with the accent i'm talking about the constant stuttering and the inability to speak coherently i would bet a fair amount of money that you couldn't speak even 10% well as that in a foreign language. when will usa people stop thinking they're the center of the universe, jeez. catz has like the best english of the non native english foreigners in sc2 I speak Mandarin and French fluently, sup? Cash would be fine. It seems that you're the one who truly believes that USA is the center of the universe, as you automatically assume that I'm American......jeez? lol k
anyone can make up something over the internet without actually proving it.
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On April 12 2013 12:51 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:46 hastur420 wrote:On April 12 2013 12:41 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:40 tshi wrote:On April 12 2013 12:39 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:31 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 12 2013 12:21 ThomasR wrote:
catz's english...cringe his english is fine. da da da you know, da yea i forgot about that i'm sure his written english is fine, but spoken english is something else I live in Southern California, so I'm very used to hearing people South-of-San Diego speak EN. I wanna say it's fine; he's well-spoken and the accent doesn't bother me i'm not talking about the accent..i have no problem with the accent i'm talking about the constant stuttering and the inability to speak coherently i would bet a fair amount of money that you couldn't speak even 10% well as that in a foreign language. when will usa people stop thinking they're the center of the universe, jeez. catz has like the best english of the non native english foreigners in sc2 I speak Mandarin and French fluently, sup? Cash would be fine. It seems that you're the one who truly believes that USA is the center of the universe, as you automatically assume that I'm American......jeez? lol k
let's put you out in the spotlight,you respond on the run to complicated matters on your 2nd or 3rd language and then have some native speakers of that criticize you because you're not speaking that language as perfectly as they do, how much of a dick move would that be?
because that's exactly what you do, you superhuman. i don't even care if that is true about you but i'm pretty sure a native speaker could laugh his ass of at your 2nd or 3rd language, so do yourself a favor and stop being such a dick.
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On April 12 2013 12:50 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:49 Shelke14 wrote:On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them You have no idea what you are talking about. He is not whining in the slightest because he actually brings up valid points. Try listening and understanding what he is trying to get across instead of being an asshole actually no he's right. catz is a whiner pure and simple. listen to artosis and really listen to what he's saying.
Right.... Catz's points of it being nearly impossible for individuals in NA to practice like koreans because there is no infrastructure is a perfectly well thought out problem that is happening here. You two have zero merit in what you are typing here because you are tossing out his points with no thought what so ever. If you are not willing to actually discuss the points then don't post here.
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On April 12 2013 12:40 ThomasR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 12:33 jj33 wrote:
root catz does nothing but whine.
he basically has given up, he wants other people to allow him to succeed.
Koreans didn't get this good by having shit given to them, they worked their asses off.
he's just a whiner who thinks NA players deserve the same prize money as koreans but refuses to practice like them
So you didn't listen when Catz explicitly said that no one thinks NA should get the same, but he thinks that what they get should go into the NA scene?
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Needs more thankfulness for what Blizzard IS doing rather than not doing (right now).
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Dude, I'm so sick of hearing people fucking complain that blizzard isn't handing them money to play their game. Either shut up practice and beat Koreans, or get a real fucking job.
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