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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:17 Fyodor wrote: sure, but it's your work since you brought it up. You're the one being lazy. Just because there's not a quote in my post doesn't mean I wasn't responding to folks. And frankly, I've got nothing invested in that statement and I intend to keep it that way. This isn't science or maths. It's the internet, and I'm not required to show my work. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
If it was a mean or potentially harmful comment, we might hold him to a higher standard. | ||
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Account252508
3454 Posts
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itmeJP
United States1101 Posts
Sorry for the lack of updates -- been busy with ESPORTS and this crazy ass end-of-year-extravaganza; and Thanksgiving! We probably won't be able to do a show this upcoming week either due to IPL5 occurring and I fly out Monday morning at 7AM. Will try and do a show the following week! Thanks! | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:13 itmeJP wrote: Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of updates -- been busy with ESPORTS and this crazy ass end-of-year-extravaganza; and Thanksgiving! We probably won't be able to do a show this upcoming week either due to IPL5 occurring and I fly out Monday morning at 7AM. Will try and do a show the following week! Thanks! No worries, JP. Thanks for checking in. GLHF at IPL! | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On November 26 2012 10:28 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Just because there's not a quote in my post doesn't mean I wasn't responding to folks. And frankly, I've got nothing invested in that statement and I intend to keep it that way. This isn't science or maths. It's the internet, and I'm not required to show my work. This is teamliquid, where posters in general are expect to maintain certain standards. That means backing up a claim with abit of evidence. If people could post whatever they're thinking without some proof behind it, well this site would be as bad as reddit, which it isn't, because people here engage in more intellectual discussions. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:23 sharky246 wrote: This is teamliquid, where posters in general are expect to maintain certain standards. That means backing up a claim with abit of evidence. If people could post whatever they're thinking without some proof behind it, well this site would be as bad as reddit, which it isn't, because people here engage in more intellectual discussions. This entire discussion has been nothing but a series of short posts, started by a fairly simple and obtuse characterization of Inside the Game. There aren't any groundbreaking moments here. There are some attempts to read meaning into other people's words, if you're interested in those. Other than that, there's really nothing backing anything at all up. One guy thinks it's bad that a player says things about another player. Another guy doesn't. And that's really all there is to see. If someone is interested enough in the statistical probability of that one guy's assertions being truthful to ask for an analysis, he should pick up Matlab and do it himself. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:23 sharky246 wrote: This is teamliquid, where posters in general are expect to maintain certain standards. That means backing up a claim with abit of evidence. If people could post whatever they're thinking without some proof behind it, well this site would be as bad as reddit, which it isn't, because people here engage in more intellectual discussions. when was this rule implemented? bc i dont think most of the users got the memo. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:35 LuckoftheIrish wrote: This entire discussion has been nothing but a series of short posts, started by a fairly simple and obtuse characterization of Inside the Game. There aren't any groundbreaking moments here. There are some attempts to read meaning into other people's words, if you're interested in those. Other than that, there's really nothing backing anything at all up. One guy thinks it's bad that a player says things about another player. Another guy doesn't. And that's really all there is to see. If someone is interested enough in the statistical probability of that one guy's assertions being truthful to ask for an analysis, he should pick up Matlab and do it himself. It's funny that an endless amount of unsupported claims can be made without anybody caring until someone makes a claim which has an obvious line of investigation and then all of the sudden that investigation must be done or else that claim ought to be thrown out and the author ought to be ashamed. Claims that are investigatable ought to be respected more even if the investigation hasn't been done yet. Most of the things I read on TL.net, I can only respond "yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man." If someone really cares about what they're discussing, they should be happy to discover an investigation they can do to benefit the discussion. Calling out someone else for not having done it yet is only discouraging people with good ideas (but not enough time to support them) from saying anything at all. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:14 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's funny that an endless amount of unsupported claims can be made without anybody caring until someone makes a claim which has an obvious line of investigation and then all of the sudden that investigation must be done or else that claim ought to be thrown out and the author ought to be ashamed. Claims that are investigatable ought to be respected more even if the investigation hasn't been done yet. Most of the things I read on TL.net, I can only respond "yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man." If someone really cares about what they're discussing, they should be happy to discover an investigation they can do to benefit the discussion. Calling out someone else for not having done it yet is only discouraging people with good ideas (but not enough time to support them) from saying anything at all. What's even better is the fact that unsupported "factual" statements are uttered all the time, and people accept them as truth on here until there's a mod edit or Nazgul comes in and shits on everyone for blindly joining the bandwagon. I love TL, and I the team, but to say that we hold ourselves to a "higher standard of posting" when we fall victim to nearly as much witch-hunting and sponsor-emailing as Reddit is in and of itself a "factual" statement that is patently wrong. And no, I won't back up my facts with links to threads. If someone seriously wants proof, and can't think of any examples of a TL witchhunt themselves, then they're not being honest with themselves. | ||
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:13 itmeJP wrote: Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of updates -- been busy with ESPORTS and this crazy ass end-of-year-extravaganza; and Thanksgiving! We probably won't be able to do a show this upcoming week either due to IPL5 occurring and I fly out Monday morning at 7AM. Will try and do a show the following week! Thanks! No this is BS you must put out content or else my sad pathetic life will have no meaning. I mean like whats the point I'm just gonna go kill myself now using a weasel tied to a stick. .... .... .... .... Now that I have earned the Ire of everyone here, Have fun JP and when this year end stuff is over take a vacation. People burn themselves out too fast by burning the candle at both ends. | ||
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Astro-Penguin
554 Posts
On November 26 2012 15:12 B_Type13X2 wrote: No this is BS you must put out content or else my sad pathetic life will have no meaning. I mean like whats the point I'm just gonna go kill myself now using a weasel tied to a stick. .... .... .... .... Now that I have earned the Ire of everyone here, Have fun JP and when this year end stuff is over take a vacation. People burn themselves out too fast by burning the candle at both ends. SOTG makes nerds feel like they have friends (Myself included), with that being said each of us have gone plenty of years without having friends so what's another week of loneliness!  | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:14 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's funny that an endless amount of unsupported claims can be made without anybody caring until someone makes a claim which has an obvious line of investigation and then all of the sudden that investigation must be done or else that claim ought to be thrown out and the author ought to be ashamed. Claims that are investigatable ought to be respected more even if the investigation hasn't been done yet. Most of the things I read on TL.net, I can only respond "yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man." If someone really cares about what they're discussing, they should be happy to discover an investigation they can do to benefit the discussion. Calling out someone else for not having done it yet is only discouraging people with good ideas (but not enough time to support them) from saying anything at all. Maybe because saying that IdrA is right in his predictions goes 1) against what most people think 2) is a comment that is easily attributed to a biased pro IdrA TLer, which makes his claim even less interesting. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:13 itmeJP wrote: Well, i'm looking forward to it, have fun at ipl! Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of updates -- been busy with ESPORTS and this crazy ass end-of-year-extravaganza; and Thanksgiving! We probably won't be able to do a show this upcoming week either due to IPL5 occurring and I fly out Monday morning at 7AM. Will try and do a show the following week! Thanks! | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On November 26 2012 13:32 Mauldo wrote: What's even better is the fact that unsupported "factual" statements are uttered all the time, and people accept them as truth on here until there's a mod edit or Nazgul comes in and shits on everyone for blindly joining the bandwagon. I love TL, and I the team, but to say that we hold ourselves to a "higher standard of posting" when we fall victim to nearly as much witch-hunting and sponsor-emailing as Reddit is in and of itself a "factual" statement that is patently wrong. And no, I won't back up my facts with links to threads. If someone seriously wants proof, and can't think of any examples of a TL witchhunt themselves, then they're not being honest with themselves. To be fair, the bar is set pretty low for having high standards when all we have to compare ourselves to is Reddit. I love TL, but there are way too many people on this website for it to be possible to prevent all shitposts. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
In any case, my reply was mostly intended to suggest I don't necessarily believe his statement to be true and wanted some kind of clarification of how he could make such a claim. I could have put it in a less snarky way I admit. Moving on. | ||
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Box Score Brian
12 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
On November 26 2012 11:13 itmeJP wrote: Hey guys! Sorry for the lack of updates -- been busy with ESPORTS and this crazy ass end-of-year-extravaganza; and Thanksgiving! We probably won't be able to do a show this upcoming week either due to IPL5 occurring and I fly out Monday morning at 7AM. Will try and do a show the following week! Thanks! thanks for the update | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
On November 26 2012 12:14 Liquid`NonY wrote: It's funny that an endless amount of unsupported claims can be made without anybody caring until someone makes a claim which has an obvious line of investigation and then all of the sudden that investigation must be done or else that claim ought to be thrown out and the author ought to be ashamed. Claims that are investigatable ought to be respected more even if the investigation hasn't been done yet. Most of the things I read on TL.net, I can only respond "yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man." If someone really cares about what they're discussing, they should be happy to discover an investigation they can do to benefit the discussion. Calling out someone else for not having done it yet is only discouraging people with good ideas (but not enough time to support them) from saying anything at all. Hmm, it is interesting that you look at it this way. I think it is much worse to present an opinion as something that is based on false/non-existent/biased facts than to present your opinion just as it is, an opinion. It is also something that politicians like to abuse to get horrible things done. The poster presented his opinion as something based on facts, yet it was damn clear that it was his opinion clearly based on...nothing. Claims like his have nothing to do with falsifiablitity, and have no value at all. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 30 2012 21:49 Domus wrote: Hmm, it is interesting that you look at it this way. I think it is much worse to present an opinion as something that is based on false/non-existent/biased facts than to present your opinion just as it is, an opinion. It is also something that politicians like to abuse to get horrible things done. The poster presented his opinion as something based on facts, yet it was damn clear that it was his opinion clearly based on...nothing. Claims like his have nothing to do with falsifiablitity, and have no value at all. It's based on his knowledge and memory and ability to see patterns. It is reasonable for us to not put much value in that because we have no way to judge how valuable those skills of his are. But it's also reasonable for him to not investigate further if he himself is comfortable and confident with his judgment. If his life was on the line, I'm sure he'd investigate and present everything he found but his life isn't on the line and he's allowed to commit however little he wants to as long as he isn't hurting anyone. His post still has value because, like I said, it can spark an investigation if someone deems it a hypothesis worth the time and it can also spark readers to reference their own knowledge and memory and make their own judgment. That is, instead of experimenting and researching, you could search your feelings and know it to be true! Or not. But still it's a valuable contribution and I'm laughing at the fact that this particular type of contribution, even though it's valuable, is scorned because it's not valuable enough, while other types of posts are less valuable and do not rile anyone. | ||
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