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On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick.
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On April 08 2012 01:07 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
Erm, PAX lasts all weekend long... Does anyone have any idea when exactly will SotG be on air? God forbid I'm critical of the free show but surely if they're making a show, we should be able to find out when to tune in. Agreed  It would be nice to have an idea of what day at least.
The actual show is being held at 10:30am EST. Not sure if the broadcast will be live or delayed however...
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On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick.
actually its equal.
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On April 08 2012 01:11 Nate5911 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:07 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
Erm, PAX lasts all weekend long... Does anyone have any idea when exactly will SotG be on air? God forbid I'm critical of the free show but surely if they're making a show, we should be able to find out when to tune in. Agreed It would be nice to have an idea of what day at least. The actual show is being held at 10:30am EST. Not sure if the broadcast will be live or delayed however...
Thanks !
Today? Tomorrow?
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On April 08 2012 01:21 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:11 Nate5911 wrote:On April 08 2012 01:07 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
Erm, PAX lasts all weekend long... Does anyone have any idea when exactly will SotG be on air? God forbid I'm critical of the free show but surely if they're making a show, we should be able to find out when to tune in. Agreed It would be nice to have an idea of what day at least. The actual show is being held at 10:30am EST. Not sure if the broadcast will be live or delayed however... Thanks ! Today? Tomorrow?
Oops originally said today but got it mixed up with the bombcast, yeah its tomorrow ;-;
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On April 08 2012 01:21 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:11 Nate5911 wrote:On April 08 2012 01:07 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
Erm, PAX lasts all weekend long... Does anyone have any idea when exactly will SotG be on air? God forbid I'm critical of the free show but surely if they're making a show, we should be able to find out when to tune in. Agreed It would be nice to have an idea of what day at least. The actual show is being held at 10:30am EST. Not sure if the broadcast will be live or delayed however... Thanks ! Today? Tomorrow?
Its tomorrow (sunday) at 10:30 AM
http://east.paxsite.com/schedule/panel/state-of-the-game-pax-edition
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On April 08 2012 01:26 KarlKaliente wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:21 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:11 Nate5911 wrote:On April 08 2012 01:07 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:01 xtfftc wrote:
Erm, PAX lasts all weekend long... Does anyone have any idea when exactly will SotG be on air? God forbid I'm critical of the free show but surely if they're making a show, we should be able to find out when to tune in. Agreed It would be nice to have an idea of what day at least. The actual show is being held at 10:30am EST. Not sure if the broadcast will be live or delayed however... Thanks ! Today? Tomorrow? Its tomorrow (sunday) at 10:30 AM http://east.paxsite.com/schedule/panel/state-of-the-game-pax-edition
You know, I read AM as PM :/ My fault, obviously not today. Either way Thanks a lot
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On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed
"All I ask is for people to be respectful and refer to me as 'she'."
Seriously? She asks for one thing, and you're gonna be a complete asshole and "fix" the posts of people who actually behave respectfully? Be a dick yourself if you want to, but basically trashing people who arent.. That's.. Just really really low
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On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal.
sex is physical. gender is psychological
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On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:
sex is physical. gender is psychological
Awesome to see a respected community figure not afraid to put their foot down against all this transphobic bullshit
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On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological
Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion.
http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf
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On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf
Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?.
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On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?.
I agree, couldn't care less. Having her on just because of that is dumb imho, so I dunno - I'd rather have Huk, Idra, Stephano, WhiteRa on to discuss how well the foreigners were doing vs the koreans (for the nth time), than 'new player X who surprised us' but didn't get that far.
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Will the next SOTG be on the TL calendar anytime soon? Not sure when SOTG will be in my timezone (+8GMT)
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On April 08 2012 02:14 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Will the next SOTG be on the TL calendar anytime soon? Not sure when SOTG will be in my timezone (+8GMT)
It's Sunday, Apr 08 2:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00). If you have your timezone in your TL profile and I did the tags right, that should be adjusted for your timezone.
edit: it might be an hour off because of daylight saving's, not sure.
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On April 08 2012 02:00 MarcH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf Im still confused as to why this is an issue? So she is transgender so what who really cares?.
I have no idea how you can read everything you just responded to and not realize that she cares. She directly asks people to respectfully refer to her as female.
Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER flaunt their ignorant views when they know they are disrespectful. Whether or not they are just playing dumb and acting like they don't understand the nuances does not matter when it is clear that they are purposely disrespectful. If they don't understand something then they can humbly ask for explanations. They can also make it a point to not do exactly what has been clearly stated is disrespectful.
Not only were they disrespectful to Scarlett, they're disrespectful to everyone else and to the mods. One said we're in denial and the other said mods are petty for banning someone for speaking the truth (when in fact it was not the truth but ignorance and deliberate disrespect).
Gamegene is nice enough to give them a hint that can start them on their own research if they really want to but also calls them out on the fact that they're purposely being dicks.
Lennoxito contradicts him.
I'm nice enough to explain the basic difference in 6 words.
And then aebriol swoops down from the Ivory Tower and gives us a study on how academics have increasingly used gender synonymously with sex. However the study isn't relevant because it's over a decade old and it isn't arguing that there aren't nuances when talking about a person like Scarlett or discussing gender issues. It is merely showing how prevalent it was to ignore the possibilities of such nuances whenever possible. In other words, the natural scientists who were using gender synonymously with sex were not denying the existence of the issues that caused gender and sex to be used differently in the first place. Their usage wasn't indicative of their ideology. Some feminists had begun to merge the concepts of gender and sex as both social constructs but again that is not denying the nuances of a person like Scarlett. The whole idea of aebriol linking this study is absurd anyway because he's just trying to point out why some people might be confused but anyone with an ounce of common sense who has read the exchanges between Lennoxito and truthbombDROPPER and everyone else could see that they're not just confused by the notion that gender and sex are not synonyms. As if the reason why Lennoxito straight up contradicts Gamegene is because a bunch of natural scientists began to prefer to use 'gender' in place of 'sex' just as feminists began to strongly emphasize the difference between the two...
Yeah, SOTG thread.
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damn get em tyler. also i don't understand how people get so hung up over the most trivial subjects. it's fine to discuss something but jesus christ some things can just be dropped
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On April 08 2012 01:47 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 01:41 Liquid`NonY wrote:On April 08 2012 01:14 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 01:09 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 01:06 Lennoxito wrote:On April 08 2012 00:46 Gamegene wrote:On April 08 2012 00:38 Lennoxito wrote:On April 07 2012 17:45 MarcH wrote:On April 07 2012 17:42 seiferoth10 wrote:
Scarlett beat Terious, Ddoro, and Demuslim.
vileIllusion beat JPeg, Zenio, Kiwikaki, Ryung, and Oz.
Why is Scarlett the story of the day again? Because Scarlettt is an unknown and this is her first big tournament. Illusion however is not an unknown and has been to a lot of big tournaments in the past. While his performance here is perhaps better than he has managed previously its not a massive leap up from the unknown and is a continuation of past results but slightly better. so from now on sotg will invite every guy who is able to beat any korean? people are talking about scarlet, she's interesting. one: she's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: she has no team three: she's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion one: he's transgendered and like it or not that makes people raise their eyebrows a bit. two: he has no team three: he's a girl and four: no one cares about illusion fixed On April 07 2012 11:44 Gamegene wrote:On April 07 2012 11:02 archides wrote:On April 07 2012 06:35 truthbombDROPPER wrote:
Sorry but scarlett quite clearly used to be or still is male
I'm not sure why everyone is in denial
User was banned for this post. You serious? These mods act so petty. Banning people for something that is clearly true. Scarlett himself said he's born a male. People aren't even throwing insults at him, just asking common questions. 1. Sex =/= Gender 2. Way to be a dick. actually its equal. sex is physical. gender is psychological Well, while true, it's like racism and racial discrimination - used to be two distinct concepts, but then people started to use one (gender / racism) to refer to both, and voila - confusion. http://www.oeb.harvard.edu/faculty/haig/publications_files/04inexorablerise.pdf
This paper says that the use of the word gender as a separate concept from sex only started in the 1970s to suit the political purposes of feminists, and apparently it did not catch on for long and never entered mainstream parlance.
The most important factor was the adoption of gender in the 1970s by feminist scholars as a way of distinguishing “socially constructed” aspects of male–female differences (gender) from “biologically determined” aspects (sex). This distinction is now only fitfully respected, and gender is often used as a simple synonym of sex.
Merriam Webster says the word gender dates back to the 14th century, and defines it as synonymous with sex.
1gen·der noun \ˈjen-dər\ 2 a : sex <the feminine gender> Middle English gendre, from Anglo-French genre, gendre, from Latin gener-, genus birth, race, kind, gender — more at kin First Known Use: 14th century http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender
So it seems incorrect to claim that sex and gender used to be different. Rather, the concept that the two are different is a modern redefinition done for political purposes.
Interestingly it shares a common root with the word genus, a word that refers to biology.
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