EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1791
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
I love Tyler, but i think it was a bit arrogant of him to say it's not as important as other issues, even though this issue has sprouted 4 threads which have dominated the forum his team runs for the past week. They've literally been the top 4 most read and replied to threads everyday. How can this be overlooked? And to anyone saying that the facts aren't clear let me give you an example. YoonYJ qualified for the tournament. This can be verified by looking at the tournament results. Gus promised him flights to the event. This can be verified by the contract posted on SC2SEA.com and the facebook messages posted directly from Gus's facebook. http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699 Gus told him the ticket puchase is being delayed due to sponsors being late with funds. This can be verified once again through the face book messages. http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2699 IPL released a statement saying that there were no such delays from them (i.e. Gus was lying). This can be verified on their Message to the community thread on TL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283544 YoonYJ wasn't sent to the tourney he qualified for. This can be verified from the absence of YoonYJ in the PPSL brackets. I don't see how this is not 100% irrefutable evidence of severe mishandling of an event at a bare minimum, and even if it turns out not to be Gus defrauding the community. Cluster fucks like this need to be talked about. | ||
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benefluence
United States158 Posts
However, They didn't dismiss the whole thing as 'internet gossip' either. The conclusion was, essentially, 'It's evident Gus fucked up, hopefully everything gets resolved. The internet shitstorm is overblown and melodramatic,' which is a pretty standard reaction to any internet shitstorm. Both Husky and Artosis were saying 'let's wait and see what actually happened before passing judgement.' The fact that most of the accusations were fairly well substantiated, and many of the details are already public knowledge was something they probably weren't well aware of because they weren't paying attention. On November 12 2011 10:07 Defacer wrote: Although, it's pretty unfair for JP to criticize the reporting of the PPSL controversy as 'sensationalized' when very credible sources have been updating us with information, on TL and shows like 'FUCK Slasher.' And then for the panel to make a blanket statement that the community that is acting like TMZ, or being melodramatic, is pretty condescending. Personally, I'm not that bothered by how they handled the topic, as much as I'm disappointed -- particularly in Artosis' apolitical, neutral position. To be pretend to be non-partisan about a botched tournament that he casted for can be interpreted as a cop-out, or willful ignorance of all the people that work behind-the-scenes to make his job possible. What people wanted to hear was Artosis say, "I'm not sure if all these rumors are true, but if they are, I'm never working with or for Gus again." I agree with this criticism. While it's kinda par for the course to be dismissive of internet hype, you run the risk of shooting yourself in the foot if you're not well informed. I think Husky was as bad as JP was in this respect, personally. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
That's too bad. He really makes the show fun and makes it much easier to watch  | ||
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chrissummers
243 Posts
I am SOOOO dissappointed by how ALL of them just did not know what was going on ( especially artosis, although he was there, says quite a lot about his interest in other people, rachel and torch knew everything, but he does not even know about the 12k dollar? ) But not knowing what is up is only one thing. But not really caring is another thing. And Tyler's comments really made me angry. "We don't need to comment on that, someone else will". YEAH just close your eyes and everything will go away. Don't care about others???? Sorry, but I am really pissed. I hope next time they will apologize. And I hope incontrol will be back, he seems to be the last remaining real spokesperson. | ||
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ekaj
United States174 Posts
On November 12 2011 11:36 chrissummers wrote: "We don't need to comment on that, someone else will". turn into On November 12 2011 11:36 chrissummers wrote: YEAH just close your eyes and everything will go away. Don't care about others???? | ||
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chrissummers
243 Posts
he did not at all. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
I'd also like to see more discussion about the meta game/new build trends/tricks, it IS ''state'' of the game, right ? :D EDIT: also thanks for thr speedy upload of the VOD! | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
Yea it sucks but did we REALLY need these guys to talk about a topic that has been talked to death already? 4+ threads on TL appeared within 2 days of each other and you STILL need some clarification? | ||
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simbot
Australia95 Posts
On November 12 2011 10:07 Defacer wrote: And then for the panel to make a blanket statement that the community that is acting like TMZ, or being melodramatic, is pretty condescending. If everyone settled down and took a step back they might realise it's actually a pretty reasonable statement. The number of people getting all the hyped and just bandwagoning on the drama of the week is absurds, compared to the number of people directly involved. But this is the internet, where every Tom, Dick and Joe weighs in with their opinion regardless | ||
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
On November 12 2011 12:43 emc wrote: it's not the faults of these guys to not know what happened, and honestly I don't blame them. Artosis had no beef, he was treated fairly because gus treated him like a celebrity, how would artosis know that? If he did he would've mentioned it. Husky isn't a player, this doesn't really effect him much like artosis. Tyler and Idra are doing their own thing, they are more concerned with practice and improving over e-drama that happened half way across the world. Yea it sucks but did we REALLY need these guys to talk about a topic that has been talked to death already? 4+ threads on TL appeared within 2 days of each other and you STILL need some clarification? That's all well and good, but then don't go and say the issue is unimportant. They have the ability to read, so therefore they could have been up to date. The fact that they weren't doesn't bother me, I have a life outside of SC2 as well. But to then go and say that it doesn't matter. That it's all TMZ style hype. They should have left it at "no comment". | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On November 12 2011 11:36 chrissummers wrote: What the hell... I just watched yesterday's show... I am SOOOO dissappointed by how ALL of them just did not know what was going on ( especially artosis, although he was there, says quite a lot about his interest in other people, rachel and torch knew everything, but he does not even know about the 12k dollar? ) But not knowing what is up is only one thing. But not really caring is another thing. And Tyler's comments really made me angry. "We don't need to comment on that, someone else will". YEAH just close your eyes and everything will go away. Don't care about others???? Sorry, but I am really pissed. I hope next time they will apologize. And I hope incontrol will be back, he seems to be the last remaining real spokesperson. Apologise for deciding on what should be on the show or not? What? Would you like the four of them to bring out the pitchforks too, because that might actually mean something to you? They'll probably rehash the "yeah gus fucked up big time" line for 5 minutes and that's it. It's not like we aren't up to date on that. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 12 2011 11:36 chrissummers wrote: What the hell... I just watched yesterday's show... I am SOOOO dissappointed by how ALL of them just did not know what was going on ( especially artosis, although he was there, says quite a lot about his interest in other people, rachel and torch knew everything, but he does not even know about the 12k dollar? ) But not knowing what is up is only one thing. But not really caring is another thing. And Tyler's comments really made me angry. "We don't need to comment on that, someone else will". YEAH just close your eyes and everything will go away. Don't care about others???? Sorry, but I am really pissed. I hope next time they will apologize. And I hope incontrol will be back, he seems to be the last remaining real spokesperson. I'm sure they're writing their apologies now. + Show Spoiler + Seriously though, your post is ridiculous, you must be real sensitive or something to be 'really pissed' that the hosts of a talk show about a game didn't want to give their opinions on something that they don't have all the details on. | ||
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Qibla
Australia343 Posts
On November 12 2011 11:36 chrissummers wrote: What the hell... I just watched yesterday's show... I am SOOOO dissappointed by how ALL of them just did not know what was going on ( especially artosis, although he was there, says quite a lot about his interest in other people, rachel and torch knew everything, but he does not even know about the 12k dollar? ) But not knowing what is up is only one thing. But not really caring is another thing. And Tyler's comments really made me angry. "We don't need to comment on that, someone else will". YEAH just close your eyes and everything will go away. Don't care about others???? Sorry, but I am really pissed. I hope next time they will apologize. And I hope incontrol will be back, he seems to be the last remaining real spokesperson. Hmm. I think an apology is a bit extreme. They didn't do anything that bad. They're not Gus lol. | ||
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NoobStyles
Australia257 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
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NuclearJudas
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On November 12 2011 10:39 Qibla wrote: I love Tyler, but i think it was a bit arrogant of him to say it's not as important as other issues, even though this issue has sprouted 4 threads which have dominated the forum his team runs for the past week. They've literally been the top 4 most read and replied to threads everyday. How can this be overlooked? tyler never said it wasnt important, what tyler waid was that it has no place to be talked about on SOTG especially since everyone else has already covered it to death, there is nothing they can even add so why bother talking about it | ||
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
Lets go on for 45 minutes talking about an issue and not exactly even say anything about it....... Lets spend 2 minutes discussing the latest patch release. This SOTG episode really achieved nothing. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On November 12 2011 01:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's not important at all. Some guy fucked up running an event... why does that matter? What are we gonna say about it that desperately needs to be said? Perhaps when more information is released, instead of talking about the PPSL directly, a topic that could be discussed in the future legalities or policy dealings for major tournaments. As "e-sports" grows, a more universal set of assurances and obligations needs to be founded to prevent similar events from taking place. Not just between Organizers and sponsors, but with players as well. Travel expenses are too high to this sort of thing to occur. I really think the community in general needs to be organized a bit more formally to protect mutual interests between all three parties, and the PPSL could be a text book learning example for everyone. Obviously a guy screwed up, but what happened, and how it could be avoided across the board its something I think important to the "state of the game". While most big tournaments more or less have their shit together, using the prize pool thread as an example, even they have some issues. I think a dialogue on organizational policy, legal rights, and managing would be an interesting discussion to have from the players perspective (you and everyone but JP) and from people who work major tournaments (JP). Perhaps even a special guest or two in the form of Sundance, Carmac, Chae, or someone else prominent in the tournament scene could comment. I know SoTG is not investigative news and this isn't directly tied to the metagame or balance, but I feel it is relevant to the future of the state of the game. And I am sure a lot of people are interested in learning and listening about your guys opinions and insights in the more business side of progaming. | ||
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