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On June 02 2011 05:28 Diglett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:20 DystopiaX wrote:On June 02 2011 05:17 Creep wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
Have you ever listened to rap music? Just because a lot of rap musicians use the word doesn't make it acceptable. Widespread casual use of a word doesn't suddenly make it ok. the point, at least what i got, was that if nigger is a derogatory term used to humiliate blacks, then it's trollololol because in some rap music, which many blacks participate in, the word is used frequently.
But black rappers also aren't known for being upstanding citizens, and I know in certain areas where you live if you use nigger and are not of African American decent you will get beaten up. The point is that it's still offensive to a large number of people, so even if parts of that ethnic community find it acceptable a greater majority don't.
It's like saying that BM was ok to most of the SCII community because IdrA does it (or used to do it) alot.
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On June 02 2011 05:26 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:20 DystopiaX wrote:On June 02 2011 05:17 Creep wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
Have you ever listened to rap music? Just because a lot of rap musicians use the word doesn't make it acceptable. Widespread casual use of a word doesn't suddenly make it ok. Umm, actually, yes it can. Fuck is a casual term now, my boss says it, politicians say it, etc. fuck is a perfectly acceptable word in modern culture.
Wow. It's perfectly acceptable? What world do you live in? Just because your boss says it doesn't make it acceptable nor does it make it a casual term. If your boss was a racist would that make racism acceptable in modern culture? Politicians may say it under their breath, but they do no say it in normal conversation or speeches. I don't know where you live or what surroundings you have that would make you think that. But just because all your teenage buddies think it's ok to say "fuck" doesn't make it so.
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On June 02 2011 05:26 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:20 DystopiaX wrote:On June 02 2011 05:17 Creep wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
Have you ever listened to rap music? Just because a lot of rap musicians use the word doesn't make it acceptable. Widespread casual use of a word doesn't suddenly make it ok. Umm, actually, yes it can. Fuck is a casual term now, my boss says it, politicians say it, etc. fuck is a perfectly acceptable word in modern culture.
Sure, Fuck, Shit, Asshole, Damn are all fighting words and all but they aren't blatantly discriminatory. Are we going to get to the point when we are calling everyone at work the N- word because we allow it???
That's pretty scary, because then we'd be allowing our words to have every meaning and no meaning at all. How would anyone know how you feel when you try to express those feelings with words that mean everything...
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On June 02 2011 05:28 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Haha so when you guys use it you mean that you love everyone right? Thats ridiculous. Go to a train station, bring a bull horn. Yell that word and see what kind of reaction you get... See if people come and give you a hug... The word has a definite meaning and its not a very useful word and shouldn't have any application at all in the gaming world.
I got an idea, ill go to a friend of mine, ill call him a dumbass cracker bitch, we will laugh, and then we will play video games.
to the person above me, context.
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On June 02 2011 05:19 DystopiaX wrote:
For example, I had no idea that Destiny frequently uses rough language on his stream until this cast because I never watch his stream.
I totally disagree with Destiny's philosophical point of view on this issue (though on SOTG he seemed to acknowledge that there were valid reasons to control one's own use of potentially offensive language based on the audience).
That said, I have watched his stream quite a bit and his language isn't usually as colorful as one might imagine based on this discussion -- he tends to use sarcasm to hassle his opponents instead.
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On June 02 2011 05:34 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:28 R3demption wrote:On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Haha so when you guys use it you mean that you love everyone right? Thats ridiculous. Go to a train station, bring a bull horn. Yell that word and see what kind of reaction you get... See if people come and give you a hug... The word has a definite meaning and its not a very useful word and shouldn't have any application at all in the gaming world. I got an idea, ill go to a friend of mine, ill call him a dumbass cracker bitch, we will laugh, and then we will play video games.
Grow up.
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On June 02 2011 05:35 Lysenko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:19 DystopiaX wrote:
For example, I had no idea that Destiny frequently uses rough language on his stream until this cast because I never watch his stream. I totally disagree with Destiny's philosophical point of view on this issue (though on SOTG he seemed to acknowledge that there were valid reasons to control one's own use of potentially offensive language based on the audience). That said, I have watched his stream quite a bit and his language isn't usually as colorful as one might imagine based on this discussion -- he tends to use sarcasm to hassle his opponents instead.
Yeah, I also disagree with his view that changing his language would be "selling out"- there's a difference between changing your personality and content and toning down your language to be less offensive. I think that at some point you have do have to change your language to kind of fit society because you are negatively affecting people with your language- you're making the use of the term rape more casual, you're possibly upsetting people who have been sexually assaulted, and at that point I think you're looking at "well, I can either continue using rape because that's who I am, and screw whoever actually has a negative reaction to that, or I can stop using it and maybe not cause negative reactions or flashbacks to people who have personal experiences with that".
it's why I take offense to rape in particular because to me, by using the term in such a casual context you're almost disregarding the actual crime of rape, or making it seem like it's not a big of a deal as it is BECAUSE you are able to mention it in such a casual, lighthearted manner to describe an aspect of entertainment.
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On June 02 2011 05:36 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:34 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:28 R3demption wrote:On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Haha so when you guys use it you mean that you love everyone right? Thats ridiculous. Go to a train station, bring a bull horn. Yell that word and see what kind of reaction you get... See if people come and give you a hug... The word has a definite meaning and its not a very useful word and shouldn't have any application at all in the gaming world. I got an idea, ill go to a friend of mine, ill call him a dumbass cracker bitch, we will laugh, and then we will play video games. Grow up.
are you saying that i lied about what people used the word for? you have heard it i assume, are they wrong in doing that? or do they need to grow up also because they happen to use nigger casually.
Yes i know that if I yell nigger in a god damn train station i will get my ass beat. But that's because without context that word is harmful, I'm glad you understand that. As is the word rape, as is the word genocide.
but contextually a word can be anything, if your too stupid to realize that, then you have never heard a good rape joke 
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I got seeded into the top 16 because I spent 3 MLG's beating people of / higher level than what you listed for Moonan
Lets see who you beat...
MLG Raleigh
Won
Machine
captain (OH SHIT)
NonY
LzGamer
Lost
Painuser
Socke
didn't make top 8 (only 25 players)
MLG DC
Didn't make top 16
MLG Dallas 2010
Didn't make top 16
lost to drewbie in loser bracket
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On June 02 2011 05:41 DystopiaX wrote:it's why I take offense to rape in particular because to me, by using the term in such a casual context you're almost disregarding the actual crime of rape, or making it seem like it's not a big of a deal as it is BECAUSE you are able to mention it in such a casual, lighthearted manner to describe an aspect of entertainment.
This is so horrendously wrong. I feel incredibly sad for anyone who thinks like this.
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On June 02 2011 05:52 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:41 DystopiaX wrote:it's why I take offense to rape in particular because to me, by using the term in such a casual context you're almost disregarding the actual crime of rape, or making it seem like it's not a big of a deal as it is BECAUSE you are able to mention it in such a casual, lighthearted manner to describe an aspect of entertainment. This is so horrendously wrong. I feel incredibly sad for anyone who thinks like this.
Actually, it's not wholly wrong. By using the word "rape" in a casual fashion, as in gaming, you are giving a meaning to the word which does not indicate the act of rape, thus removing the power of the word "rape" in our culture. Society's perception of an act and of the word used to describe that act cannot possibly be unrelated.
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As far as I'm aware wasn't iNcontrol seeded into Championship bracket because Artosis forfeited his spot, or am I completely wrong? Please correct me if so.
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On June 02 2011 04:53 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:02 Azide wrote:On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:On June 02 2011 01:11 iNcontroL wrote:
FXO has literally 0 team accomplishments except losing to EG in ESEA and taking I think 4th.
Where the HELL do people get it in their mind that they are a better team? It absolutely cannot be through results. Arbitrary considerations with players? Qxc hasn't been his former self since MLG of last year when he still placed lower than several EG players. Moonan? No accomplishments. Slog? Filthy? Tgun or w/e... all lower level than Machine, Strifecro and Lz. Sheth is great. But still has fewer / less accomplishments than I do in big tourneys (MLG). Then we compare super-stars.. IdrA vs Moonglade. Need I say more? And all this without mentioning Axslav who won MVP for crota invitational going undefeated against players like Jinro and the other top players from top teams.
Emphasis on the bolded part... I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy. Moonan has no accomplishments but you do? At MLG Dallas, you were seeded into pool play. You took fourth place by: In group play: beating TLO, Mihai, and slush Losing to painuser In the championship bracket: You beat TLO in an extended series You lost to Select 0-2 You lost to Kiwikaki 0-2 You won two best of threes and one best of five. You lost three best of threes. That got you fourth place.At MLG Dallas, Moonan took 8th. He started in the open bracket. Got knocked into the losers bracket by huk and did not make group play, but proceeded to the championship bracket by beating Naama. In the championship bracket he beat spades, painuser, mihai, machine, slush, and eventually lost to socke.
Moonan won 11 best of threes, and lost two best of threes. That got him 8th place. If you'll notice, three of the players he beat were the ones that were in your pool (essentially the same players you beat to secure your fourth place spot, minus TLO).In summary: Incontrol : Wins: 2 bo3's, 1 bo5. Losses: 3 bo3's 4th place Moonan: Wins: 11 bo3's Losses: 2 bo3's 8th place The catch is that Moonan played almost literally the same players that you did, plus naama, spades, machine, and a number of lesser known players. Saying Moonan has zero accomplishments and you have more accomplishments than him or sheth seems kind of moronic. You benefited from a very skewed seeding system. That is all fine and good in itself. I'm happy for your success. But don't go waving your dick around saying you have more accomplishments than other people who arguably performed just as well if not better than you. I want to be clear that i'm not saying you didn't do well. I'm saying that arguably Moonan did better and you're sitting on your 4th place "accomplishment" and saying Moonan has zero accomplishments. It seems silly. well said I got seeded into the top 16 because I spent 3 MLG's beating people of / higher level than what you listed for Moonan.
You're right, you attended all 3 2010 MLG's to earn 18th seed and got bumped into the top 16 when others couldn't attend. Moonan and many others did not attend all three and never had the chance to earn the same amount of points as you. Not sure who you beat that's of a higher level than naama, slush, or machine. I'm also not sure how that's relevant anyway.
Saying he did well in open play and then placed lower in the same bracket I placed higher in as some kind of "he did better" is stupid.
I explained in good detail why his results at MLG are no worse than yours, despite him ranking lower. Perhaps you should read my post again. I'm saying it's ludicrous for you to say Moonan has no accomplishments when it is clear that your only 'accomplishment' is no greater of a performance than his.
I have NO IDEA why so many people hate on slush / TLO it really is a shame.. they are fucking good. Mihai came from the same open stage btw as Moonan and he too lost 0-2 to me.
I am not belittling slush or TLO or saying you beat scrubs. I am probably one of slush's biggest fans actually.
I don't know what beating MIhai has to do with anything... I listed both of you as having beaten him in my original post.
It sucks cause I have to defend my 4th place finish which comes off as "wow he thinks it was so amazing" but I am only doing that in response to the idiots that go "his 4th place finish was vs scrubs lololol"
If you think I'm criticizing you for over inflating your success, you don't understand my original post. I'm criticizing you for deflating the success of moonan.
Let me try to explain this again:
You said the guy has zero accomplishments yet it seems absolutely undeniable that at the very worst, he performed at the same level as you at dallas. He beat the players you beat, he beat the players you lost to (painuser), and he beat players you didn't get to play. He lost less matches than you as well. Are you really going to sit and say that you have an accomplishment and he doesn't because you benefited from an arguably flawed seeding system? You got 18th seed by having consistent mediocre performances at 3 MLG's. You then won three matches (one being extended) and lost three matches, and it got you 4th.
Here's the part it seems you're missing. My point is not that you didn't do well. My point is that, given context, it is mind- blowingly narrow and downright stupid to say moonan's performance does not count as an accomplishment but yours does. Either you both have an accomplishment, or neither of you do.
Sigur I understand you are a moonan fan boy and all but I'm sorry...
I am not a moonan fan boy. I barely know anything about him. I looked up the results from MLG dallas on liquipedia. I am as impartial as impartial can get. I made my post because what you said was stupid, not because i'm a fan boy. It worries me that you would even try to make that point.
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No Incontrol and IdrA in sotg anymore? Wow, that takes a lot out of the show...I mean, I love the other guys, but who's not going to miss Inc's ridiculous random tangents and IdrA's to the point cutting remarks? I don't care who's record is better than whomever's...this is a tragedy for SC2 fans.
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On June 02 2011 05:31 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:29 nvs. wrote:
Just so you can see their records side by side...
EG's top 5: IdrAAll: 112-63 (64.00%) vT: 50-26 (65.79%) vZ: 20-6 (76.92%) vP: 42-31 (57.53%) AxslavAll: 105-85 (55.26%) vT: 52-26 (66.67%) vZ: 29-17 (63.04%) vP: 24-42 (36.36%) DeMusliMAll: 79-62 (56.03%) vT: 34-24 (58.62%) vZ: 16-18 (47.06%) vP: 29-20 (59.18%) IncontrolAll: 59-85 (40.97%) vT: 23-31 (42.59%) vZ: 17-23 (42.50%) vP: 19-31 (38.00%) MachineAll: 63-72 (46.67%) vT: 32-31 (50.79%) vZ: 3-7 (30.00%) vP: 28-34 (45.16%) FXO's top 5: ShethAll: 130-81 (61.61%) vT: 54-48 (52.94%) vZ: 34-17 (66.67%) vP: 42-16 (72.41%) Moonan All: 165-109 (60.22%) vT: 82-46 (64.06%) vZ: 42-28 (60.00%) vP: 41-35 (53.95%) OpTiKzErOAll: 123-100 (55.16%) vT: 47-41 (53.41%) vZ: 34-27 (55.74%) vP: 42-32 (56.76%) mOOnGLaDeAll: 84-63 (57.14%) vT: 25-19 (56.82%) vZ: 32-14 (69.57%) vP: 27-30 (47.37%) QXCAll: 156-115 (57.56%) vT: 48-44 (52.17%) vZ: 42-30 (58.33%) vP: 66-41 (61.68%) I mean it is obvious from the data that EG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FXO. Not even comparable.
Clearly incontrol has the winning argument.
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Jesus this is sad. Steven isn't saying that you should use rape and nigger in your everyday vocabulary.
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On June 02 2011 05:44 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:36 R3demption wrote:On June 02 2011 05:34 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:28 R3demption wrote:On June 02 2011 05:22 r_con wrote:On June 02 2011 05:14 R3demption wrote:
Does anyone else find the N- Word completely offensive??? Its plain unnecessary too and you should just look up some more words in the dictionary if you can't find a good replacement for it. You guys do realize it is a derogatory term used to humiliate Blacks right? Like its part of our history, there were black slaves and people would use that term because it meant they were less than human and below everyone else in the world, the lowest of the low with no rights, you guys know this RIGHT?? Why endorse such a word then.
you do know the word nigger can express a multitude of different things? People(black and white) use a derivative nigga to express love and acceptance of one another Ive seen some people just use nigger to express love and acceptance. Are these people wrong, no, they are showing love or acceptance of one another Words are pretty amazing, a word can mean damn near anything if your talking to the right people. Haha so when you guys use it you mean that you love everyone right? Thats ridiculous. Go to a train station, bring a bull horn. Yell that word and see what kind of reaction you get... See if people come and give you a hug... The word has a definite meaning and its not a very useful word and shouldn't have any application at all in the gaming world. I got an idea, ill go to a friend of mine, ill call him a dumbass cracker bitch, we will laugh, and then we will play video games. Grow up. are you saying that i lied about what people used the word for? you have heard it i assume, are they wrong in doing that? or do they need to grow up also because they happen to use nigger casually. Yes i know that if I yell nigger in a god damn train station i will get my ass beat. But that's because without context that word is harmful, I'm glad you understand that. As is the word rape, as is the word genocide. but contextually a word can be anything, if your too stupid to realize that, then you have never heard a good rape joke
Why use a word, that has a discriminatory meaning, to convey love in the first place? Why not just use "love"? Love can never be misconstrued as something else and you wouldn't get your ass beat for using it. That's the heart of the issue.
You're arguing that the N- word has a special meaning in some circles. But the Internet is a global community with no special circles. You have to be conscious of this powerful fact. If you desire to use that word with people at home who are "okay" with its special meaning, fine. But you can't argue that it isn't a discriminatory word. It shouldn't be desensitized into something acceptable IMO.
I also argue that Fuck, shit, asshole, damn, rape, bitch are all fighting words in todays society. They're acceptability is debatable. Don't throw the N- word into this pot though. It is SPECIFICALLY derogatory towards one race of people... It should be clearly offensive because it alienates one kind of person which is cruel and unusual IMO.
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On June 02 2011 05:56 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 04:53 iNcontroL wrote:On June 02 2011 04:02 Azide wrote:On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:On June 02 2011 01:11 iNcontroL wrote:
FXO has literally 0 team accomplishments except losing to EG in ESEA and taking I think 4th.
Where the HELL do people get it in their mind that they are a better team? It absolutely cannot be through results. Arbitrary considerations with players? Qxc hasn't been his former self since MLG of last year when he still placed lower than several EG players. Moonan? No accomplishments. Slog? Filthy? Tgun or w/e... all lower level than Machine, Strifecro and Lz. Sheth is great. But still has fewer / less accomplishments than I do in big tourneys (MLG). Then we compare super-stars.. IdrA vs Moonglade. Need I say more? And all this without mentioning Axslav who won MVP for crota invitational going undefeated against players like Jinro and the other top players from top teams.
Emphasis on the bolded part... I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy. Moonan has no accomplishments but you do? At MLG Dallas, you were seeded into pool play. You took fourth place by: In group play: beating TLO, Mihai, and slush Losing to painuser In the championship bracket: You beat TLO in an extended series You lost to Select 0-2 You lost to Kiwikaki 0-2 You won two best of threes and one best of five. You lost three best of threes. That got you fourth place.At MLG Dallas, Moonan took 8th. He started in the open bracket. Got knocked into the losers bracket by huk and did not make group play, but proceeded to the championship bracket by beating Naama. In the championship bracket he beat spades, painuser, mihai, machine, slush, and eventually lost to socke.
Moonan won 11 best of threes, and lost two best of threes. That got him 8th place. If you'll notice, three of the players he beat were the ones that were in your pool (essentially the same players you beat to secure your fourth place spot, minus TLO).In summary: Incontrol : Wins: 2 bo3's, 1 bo5. Losses: 3 bo3's 4th place Moonan: Wins: 11 bo3's Losses: 2 bo3's 8th place The catch is that Moonan played almost literally the same players that you did, plus naama, spades, machine, and a number of lesser known players. Saying Moonan has zero accomplishments and you have more accomplishments than him or sheth seems kind of moronic. You benefited from a very skewed seeding system. That is all fine and good in itself. I'm happy for your success. But don't go waving your dick around saying you have more accomplishments than other people who arguably performed just as well if not better than you. I want to be clear that i'm not saying you didn't do well. I'm saying that arguably Moonan did better and you're sitting on your 4th place "accomplishment" and saying Moonan has zero accomplishments. It seems silly. well said I got seeded into the top 16 because I spent 3 MLG's beating people of / higher level than what you listed for Moonan. You're right, you attended all 3 2010 MLG's to earn 18th seed and got bumped into the top 16 when others couldn't attend. Moonan and many others did not attend all three and never had the chance to earn the same amount of points as you. Not sure who you beat that's of a higher level than naama, slush, or machine. I'm also not sure how that's relevant anyway. Show nested quote +Saying he did well in open play and then placed lower in the same bracket I placed higher in as some kind of "he did better" is stupid. I explained in good detail why his results at MLG are no worse than yours, despite him ranking lower. Perhaps you should read my post again. I'm saying it's ludicrous for you to say Moonan has no accomplishments when it is clear that your only 'accomplishment' is no greater of a performance than his. Show nested quote +I have NO IDEA why so many people hate on slush / TLO it really is a shame.. they are fucking good. Mihai came from the same open stage btw as Moonan and he too lost 0-2 to me. I am not belittling slush or TLO or saying you beat scrubs. I am probably one of slush's biggest fans actually. I don't know what beating MIhai has to do with anything... I listed both of you as having beaten him in my original post. Show nested quote +It sucks cause I have to defend my 4th place finish which comes off as "wow he thinks it was so amazing" but I am only doing that in response to the idiots that go "his 4th place finish was vs scrubs lololol" If you think I'm criticizing you for over inflating your success, you don't understand my original post. I'm criticizing you for deflating the success of moonan. Let me try to explain this again: You said the guy has zero accomplishments yet it seems absolutely undeniable that at the very worst, he performed at the same level as you at dallas. He beat the players you beat, he beat the players you lost to (painuser), and he beat players you didn't get to play. He lost less matches than you as well. Are you really going to sit and say that you have an accomplishment and he doesn't because you benefited from an arguably flawed seeding system? You got 18th seed by having consistent mediocre performances at 3 MLG's. You then won three matches (one being extended) and lost three matches, and it got you 4th. Here's the part it seems you're missing. My point is not that you didn't do well. My point is that, given context, it is mind- blowingly narrow and downright stupid to say moonan's performance does not count as an accomplishment but yours does. Either you both have an accomplishment, or neither of you do. I am not a moonan fan boy. I barely know anything about him. I looked up the results from MLG dallas up on liquipedia. I am as impartial as impartial can get. I made my post because what you said was stupid, not because i'm a fan boy. It worries me that you would even try to make that point.
Should be interesting to hear incontrol's response to this. Well put.
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On June 02 2011 06:01 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 05:56 SiguR wrote:On June 02 2011 04:53 iNcontroL wrote:On June 02 2011 04:02 Azide wrote:On June 02 2011 03:56 SiguR wrote:On June 02 2011 01:11 iNcontroL wrote:
FXO has literally 0 team accomplishments except losing to EG in ESEA and taking I think 4th.
Where the HELL do people get it in their mind that they are a better team? It absolutely cannot be through results. Arbitrary considerations with players? Qxc hasn't been his former self since MLG of last year when he still placed lower than several EG players. Moonan? No accomplishments. Slog? Filthy? Tgun or w/e... all lower level than Machine, Strifecro and Lz. Sheth is great. But still has fewer / less accomplishments than I do in big tourneys (MLG). Then we compare super-stars.. IdrA vs Moonglade. Need I say more? And all this without mentioning Axslav who won MVP for crota invitational going undefeated against players like Jinro and the other top players from top teams.
Emphasis on the bolded part... I don't care for the argument that's taking place here on which team is better, but blatant falsehoods tickle my fancy. Moonan has no accomplishments but you do? At MLG Dallas, you were seeded into pool play. You took fourth place by: In group play: beating TLO, Mihai, and slush Losing to painuser In the championship bracket: You beat TLO in an extended series You lost to Select 0-2 You lost to Kiwikaki 0-2 You won two best of threes and one best of five. You lost three best of threes. That got you fourth place.At MLG Dallas, Moonan took 8th. He started in the open bracket. Got knocked into the losers bracket by huk and did not make group play, but proceeded to the championship bracket by beating Naama. In the championship bracket he beat spades, painuser, mihai, machine, slush, and eventually lost to socke.
Moonan won 11 best of threes, and lost two best of threes. That got him 8th place. If you'll notice, three of the players he beat were the ones that were in your pool (essentially the same players you beat to secure your fourth place spot, minus TLO).In summary: Incontrol : Wins: 2 bo3's, 1 bo5. Losses: 3 bo3's 4th place Moonan: Wins: 11 bo3's Losses: 2 bo3's 8th place The catch is that Moonan played almost literally the same players that you did, plus naama, spades, machine, and a number of lesser known players. Saying Moonan has zero accomplishments and you have more accomplishments than him or sheth seems kind of moronic. You benefited from a very skewed seeding system. That is all fine and good in itself. I'm happy for your success. But don't go waving your dick around saying you have more accomplishments than other people who arguably performed just as well if not better than you. I want to be clear that i'm not saying you didn't do well. I'm saying that arguably Moonan did better and you're sitting on your 4th place "accomplishment" and saying Moonan has zero accomplishments. It seems silly. well said I got seeded into the top 16 because I spent 3 MLG's beating people of / higher level than what you listed for Moonan. You're right, you attended all 3 2010 MLG's to earn 18th seed and got bumped into the top 16 when others couldn't attend. Moonan and many others did not attend all three and never had the chance to earn the same amount of points as you. Not sure who you beat that's of a higher level than naama, slush, or machine. I'm also not sure how that's relevant anyway. Saying he did well in open play and then placed lower in the same bracket I placed higher in as some kind of "he did better" is stupid. I explained in good detail why his results at MLG are no worse than yours, despite him ranking lower. Perhaps you should read my post again. I'm saying it's ludicrous for you to say Moonan has no accomplishments when it is clear that your only 'accomplishment' is no greater of a performance than his. I have NO IDEA why so many people hate on slush / TLO it really is a shame.. they are fucking good. Mihai came from the same open stage btw as Moonan and he too lost 0-2 to me. I am not belittling slush or TLO or saying you beat scrubs. I am probably one of slush's biggest fans actually. I don't know what beating MIhai has to do with anything... I listed both of you as having beaten him in my original post. It sucks cause I have to defend my 4th place finish which comes off as "wow he thinks it was so amazing" but I am only doing that in response to the idiots that go "his 4th place finish was vs scrubs lololol" If you think I'm criticizing you for over inflating your success, you don't understand my original post. I'm criticizing you for deflating the success of moonan. Let me try to explain this again: You said the guy has zero accomplishments yet it seems absolutely undeniable that at the very worst, he performed at the same level as you at dallas. He beat the players you beat, he beat the players you lost to (painuser), and he beat players you didn't get to play. He lost less matches than you as well. Are you really going to sit and say that you have an accomplishment and he doesn't because you benefited from an arguably flawed seeding system? You got 18th seed by having consistent mediocre performances at 3 MLG's. You then won three matches (one being extended) and lost three matches, and it got you 4th. Here's the part it seems you're missing. My point is not that you didn't do well. My point is that, given context, it is mind- blowingly narrow and downright stupid to say moonan's performance does not count as an accomplishment but yours does. Either you both have an accomplishment, or neither of you do. Sigur I understand you are a moonan fan boy and all but I'm sorry... I am not a moonan fan boy. I barely know anything about him. I looked up the results from MLG dallas up on liquipedia. I am as impartial as impartial can get. I made my post because what you said was stupid, not because i'm a fan boy. It worries me that you would even try to make that point. Should be interesting to hear incontrol's response to this. Well put.
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On June 02 2011 05:41 DystopiaX wrote:
it's why I take offense to rape in particular because to me, by using the term in such a casual context you're almost disregarding the actual crime of rape, or making it seem like it's not a big of a deal as it is BECAUSE you are able to mention it in such a casual, lighthearted manner to describe an aspect of entertainment.
errr ... just ... no
i could kinda see where you're coming from if he was moderating fucking "sc for kids" shows but this is a private person streaming for the sake of ... streaming
if you're offended go fucking turn it off watch something else ffs
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