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On August 14 2010 01:24 floor exercise wrote:
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining
So it would just be Idra silently looking at the camera for 6 minutes. Artosis' first foray into art house
Now that was funny!
I hope Bratok beats Idra with bio, that would be so funny. Have they ever played each other?
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On August 14 2010 01:36 Snowfield wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:34 FaiHt wrote:
Every single person in this thread bashing idrA and Artosis for whining are being BM themselves. A respectable player would just say "idrA has his opinion and I have mine, and they just don't line up." Not that "idras a fucking baby". Idra very clearly knows what he believes and ppl hating on him for that are the whiners. A bunch of immature brats screaming on the forums is not gonna change idra as a person.
In my opinion (which clearly won't matter cause I'm a shitastic diamond player like everyone else) if you folks can't respect idra's view on the IEM groups, when the topic of the thread is "IDRA ON IEM" ....don't fucking watch the video. Or if you think you can do a better job, move to Korea... earn enough rep and get idrA to be on your show, since that's apparently no big deal.
As for imbalances... I believe most zerg just find it extremely hard to defend all of the possible things that Terran could do. They spend alot of resources early making sure their ass is cover and then simply get out produced by stronger units. As the game evolves new options will open up. But hey that's just my opinion. Now who wants to be badmannered and bash me for having an opinion? If you feel so compelled to run me down about my views... don't fucking read my post, cause I guarantee I won't give 2 shits about any of your responses. And i don't care if you don't care about my response, im still going to respond. Your entire post would be good if IdrA actually explained himself and talked some sense instead of just "bullshit terran you suck at this game your mother raised you wrong go kill yoruself"
ive explained why zvt is imbalanced in detail multiple times in public. a short video interview about a tournament is not the place to do it again.
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On August 14 2010 01:39 EppE wrote:
Because 1 game in a best of 5 totally means nothing is wrong...
It proves it's doable with very little effort if you play well and that the "overpowered" argument is just for scrubs who can't take advantage of the strenghts of their race.
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On August 13 2010 22:57 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 13 2010 21:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 13 2010 21:01 AzoriuS wrote:
I don't understand how people here can cheering Idra and writing "thanks for interview" for this video. Especially after his comment about group C. "Hasuobs doesnt matter" and he even doesnt know what race play Sarens? Of course he knows his race if he's preparing for IEM tourney so that comment was unnecessary. Idra is Idra but I see lot of guys here who likes his style of being. IMO thats pathethic.
btw Idra: You are one of the best players in Starcraft 2. I can't argue with that but you never won't be Top1 if you don't change your manners and show some respect to other players. You have to show some class outside the game and give some example for other players especially young players so they can know how to behave like the best progamer.
I was unaware good manners made #1 attainable whereas BM limits you to 2nd. The reason I like Idra is the same reason I dislike Korean interviews of the winners. Boring, bland, preplanned answers don't do anybody any good. However, speaking the truth about issues instead of sugar coating answers and being honest in an interview is always welcome. It isn't truth, it's bias and a complete embarrassment to e-sports. If we actually want e-sports to take off, we can't have the best American player in the world act like such a child. CJ obviously doesn't give a fuck about how Idra presents himself in these artosis videos, its a laid back interview with a friend, of course the BM is going to surface  He's always more mannered in other interviews.
CJ Entus is sponsored by a big company, and is representing its image.
If Idra had had any success and had been a little big in Korea, I really really doubt that his team would have let him behave like a trash in Korean TV/medias.
Idra's behavior doesn't matter at all because he can at worse harm himself. If someone like ForGG was doing half of the quarter of what he does in Korean medias, I am absolutely sure that he wowuld get into troubles.
The worst we have seen from Korean players is the group ceremonies with people like FBH trashtalking Savior, or offensive ceremonies which, by the way, have been banned. Difference is that group ceremonies are designed for trash talk and cocky statements to please the fans.
It doesn't matter at the end. If Idra or whoever become really good one day and receive a salary from a team sponsored by a company, there won't be childish behavior anymore, because plaayers will have to behave like professional.
At the moment, the whole scene is amateur (no regular big leagues/no pro-status/no teams etc...), so the whole scene behave like amateur, which is logical and normal.
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On August 14 2010 01:41 Kigari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:39 EppE wrote:
Because 1 game in a best of 5 totally means nothing is wrong... It proves it's doable with very little effort if you play well and that the "overpowered" argument is just for scrubs who can't take advantage of the strenghts of their race.
You're fucking high. One game doesn't prove a damn thing. It's people that think, zomg Zerg won a game see T isn't OP that kept the MMM build so strong in early beta.
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On August 14 2010 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 22:57 Senx wrote:On August 13 2010 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 13 2010 21:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 13 2010 21:01 AzoriuS wrote:
I don't understand how people here can cheering Idra and writing "thanks for interview" for this video. Especially after his comment about group C. "Hasuobs doesnt matter" and he even doesnt know what race play Sarens? Of course he knows his race if he's preparing for IEM tourney so that comment was unnecessary. Idra is Idra but I see lot of guys here who likes his style of being. IMO thats pathethic.
btw Idra: You are one of the best players in Starcraft 2. I can't argue with that but you never won't be Top1 if you don't change your manners and show some respect to other players. You have to show some class outside the game and give some example for other players especially young players so they can know how to behave like the best progamer.
I was unaware good manners made #1 attainable whereas BM limits you to 2nd. The reason I like Idra is the same reason I dislike Korean interviews of the winners. Boring, bland, preplanned answers don't do anybody any good. However, speaking the truth about issues instead of sugar coating answers and being honest in an interview is always welcome. It isn't truth, it's bias and a complete embarrassment to e-sports. If we actually want e-sports to take off, we can't have the best American player in the world act like such a child. CJ obviously doesn't give a fuck about how Idra presents himself in these artosis videos, its a laid back interview with a friend, of course the BM is going to surface He's always more mannered in other interviews. CJ Entus is sponsored by a big company, and is representing its image. If Idra had had any success and had been a little big in Korea, I really really doubt that his team would have let him behave like a trash in Korean TV/medias. Idra's behavior doesn't matter at all because he can at worse harm himself. If someone like ForGG was doing half of the quarter of what he does in Korean medias, I am absolutely sure that he wowuld get into troubles. The worst we have seen from Korean players is the group ceremonies with people like FBH trashtalking Savior, or offensive ceremonies which, by the way, have been banned. Difference is that group ceremonies are designed for trash talk and cocky statements to please the fans. It doesn't matter at the end. If Idra or whoever become really good one day and receive a salary from a team sponsored by a company, there won't be childish behavior anymore, because plaayers will have to behave like professional. At the moment, the whole scene is amateur (no regular big leagues/no pro-status/no teams etc...), so the whole scene behave like amateur, which is logical and normal.
dude, when has idra behaved "like trash"
god some of you blow things out of proportion so much and just act like total idiots. idra's never personally insulted anyone as far as i can remember, and personally i respect anyone who speaks their mind. bullshit is bullshit even if it's coated in sugar.
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On August 14 2010 01:44 EppE wrote:
You're fucking high. One game doesn't prove a damn thing. It's people that think, zomg Zerg won a game see T isn't OP that kept the MMM build so strong in early beta.
Oh please... My main race is terran but I can't count the number of times I've beaten a terran using zergs...
You don't see half of the zerg arsenal being used in ANY game, even top level.
Nydus ? Never.
Burrow ? Never.
Tunneling claws ? Never.
Infested terran drops ? Never.
Most of these stupid zergs just figure they can take a terran head-on and win by mind-controlling 2 thors... Give me a break.
You know what works GREAT vs terran ? Mass infestors. Fungi to immobilize his slow-ass army then drop a few infested terran eggs on the wounded marines/marauders and the tanks splash damage will decimate their own troops. Just that strategy won me pretty much every game where it didn't escalate into tier 3...
With all the vision a zerg has, if you let a terran tediously walk to your front door and take position there, you deserved to get raped and it's not due to them being overpowered, it's because you're a noob-ass camper...
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On August 14 2010 01:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 13 2010 22:57 Senx wrote:On August 13 2010 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 13 2010 21:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 13 2010 21:01 AzoriuS wrote:
I don't understand how people here can cheering Idra and writing "thanks for interview" for this video. Especially after his comment about group C. "Hasuobs doesnt matter" and he even doesnt know what race play Sarens? Of course he knows his race if he's preparing for IEM tourney so that comment was unnecessary. Idra is Idra but I see lot of guys here who likes his style of being. IMO thats pathethic.
btw Idra: You are one of the best players in Starcraft 2. I can't argue with that but you never won't be Top1 if you don't change your manners and show some respect to other players. You have to show some class outside the game and give some example for other players especially young players so they can know how to behave like the best progamer.
I was unaware good manners made #1 attainable whereas BM limits you to 2nd. The reason I like Idra is the same reason I dislike Korean interviews of the winners. Boring, bland, preplanned answers don't do anybody any good. However, speaking the truth about issues instead of sugar coating answers and being honest in an interview is always welcome. It isn't truth, it's bias and a complete embarrassment to e-sports. If we actually want e-sports to take off, we can't have the best American player in the world act like such a child. CJ obviously doesn't give a fuck about how Idra presents himself in these artosis videos, its a laid back interview with a friend, of course the BM is going to surface He's always more mannered in other interviews. CJ Entus is sponsored by a big company, and is representing its image. If Idra had had any success and had been a little big in Korea, I really really doubt that his team would have let him behave like a trash in Korean TV/medias. Idra's behavior doesn't matter at all because he can at worse harm himself. If someone like ForGG was doing half of the quarter of what he does in Korean medias, I am absolutely sure that he wowuld get into troubles. The worst we have seen from Korean players is the group ceremonies with people like FBH trashtalking Savior, or offensive ceremonies which, by the way, have been banned. Difference is that group ceremonies are designed for trash talk and cocky statements to please the fans. It doesn't matter at the end. If Idra or whoever become really good one day and receive a salary from a team sponsored by a company, there won't be childish behavior anymore, because plaayers will have to behave like professional. At the moment, the whole scene is amateur (no regular big leagues/no pro-status/no teams etc...), so the whole scene behave like amateur, which is logical and normal. dude, when has idra behaved "like trash" god some of you blow things out of proportion so much and just act like total idiots. idra's never personally insulted anyone as far as i can remember, and personally i respect anyone who speaks their mind. bullshit is bullshit even if it's coated in sugar.
I was answering the dude, without having in mind this precise video but it seems to me that Idra has insulted more or less everybody both in the BW and SC2 top players.
About this video, what I really don't understand is that Idra complained constantly about imbalance in BW and now does the same in SC2. And both time he was playing the weak race. That just doesn't make any sense: if I thought a race was weak and wanted to do my carreer as a gamer, I don't really think I would chose it.
I wonder if the game will rebalance itself once player start to really master it or if Blizzard will have to patch it massively again.
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On August 14 2010 01:40 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:36 Snowfield wrote:On August 14 2010 01:34 FaiHt wrote:
Every single person in this thread bashing idrA and Artosis for whining are being BM themselves. A respectable player would just say "idrA has his opinion and I have mine, and they just don't line up." Not that "idras a fucking baby". Idra very clearly knows what he believes and ppl hating on him for that are the whiners. A bunch of immature brats screaming on the forums is not gonna change idra as a person.
In my opinion (which clearly won't matter cause I'm a shitastic diamond player like everyone else) if you folks can't respect idra's view on the IEM groups, when the topic of the thread is "IDRA ON IEM" ....don't fucking watch the video. Or if you think you can do a better job, move to Korea... earn enough rep and get idrA to be on your show, since that's apparently no big deal.
As for imbalances... I believe most zerg just find it extremely hard to defend all of the possible things that Terran could do. They spend alot of resources early making sure their ass is cover and then simply get out produced by stronger units. As the game evolves new options will open up. But hey that's just my opinion. Now who wants to be badmannered and bash me for having an opinion? If you feel so compelled to run me down about my views... don't fucking read my post, cause I guarantee I won't give 2 shits about any of your responses. And i don't care if you don't care about my response, im still going to respond. Your entire post would be good if IdrA actually explained himself and talked some sense instead of just "bullshit terran you suck at this game your mother raised you wrong go kill yoruself" ive explained why zvt is imbalanced in detail multiple times in public. a short video interview about a tournament is not the place to do it again.
If you lose to Ensnare, will you BM him?
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On August 14 2010 01:48 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 01:41 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 13 2010 22:57 Senx wrote:On August 13 2010 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 13 2010 21:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 13 2010 21:01 AzoriuS wrote:
I don't understand how people here can cheering Idra and writing "thanks for interview" for this video. Especially after his comment about group C. "Hasuobs doesnt matter" and he even doesnt know what race play Sarens? Of course he knows his race if he's preparing for IEM tourney so that comment was unnecessary. Idra is Idra but I see lot of guys here who likes his style of being. IMO thats pathethic.
btw Idra: You are one of the best players in Starcraft 2. I can't argue with that but you never won't be Top1 if you don't change your manners and show some respect to other players. You have to show some class outside the game and give some example for other players especially young players so they can know how to behave like the best progamer.
I was unaware good manners made #1 attainable whereas BM limits you to 2nd. The reason I like Idra is the same reason I dislike Korean interviews of the winners. Boring, bland, preplanned answers don't do anybody any good. However, speaking the truth about issues instead of sugar coating answers and being honest in an interview is always welcome. It isn't truth, it's bias and a complete embarrassment to e-sports. If we actually want e-sports to take off, we can't have the best American player in the world act like such a child. CJ obviously doesn't give a fuck about how Idra presents himself in these artosis videos, its a laid back interview with a friend, of course the BM is going to surface He's always more mannered in other interviews. CJ Entus is sponsored by a big company, and is representing its image. If Idra had had any success and had been a little big in Korea, I really really doubt that his team would have let him behave like a trash in Korean TV/medias. Idra's behavior doesn't matter at all because he can at worse harm himself. If someone like ForGG was doing half of the quarter of what he does in Korean medias, I am absolutely sure that he wowuld get into troubles. The worst we have seen from Korean players is the group ceremonies with people like FBH trashtalking Savior, or offensive ceremonies which, by the way, have been banned. Difference is that group ceremonies are designed for trash talk and cocky statements to please the fans. It doesn't matter at the end. If Idra or whoever become really good one day and receive a salary from a team sponsored by a company, there won't be childish behavior anymore, because plaayers will have to behave like professional. At the moment, the whole scene is amateur (no regular big leagues/no pro-status/no teams etc...), so the whole scene behave like amateur, which is logical and normal. dude, when has idra behaved "like trash" god some of you blow things out of proportion so much and just act like total idiots. idra's never personally insulted anyone as far as i can remember, and personally i respect anyone who speaks their mind. bullshit is bullshit even if it's coated in sugar.
What? He bashed the shit out of Silver, he bashed Nony before the TSL match, he bashed the hell out of Drewbie, and thats just off the top of my head.
Dude has anger issues and acts like a manchild.
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On August 14 2010 01:20 Snowfield wrote:
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining
Also IdrA, Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Well said
(btw that has been my sig ever since I joined TL)
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On August 13 2010 22:57 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On August 13 2010 21:19 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On August 13 2010 21:01 AzoriuS wrote:
I don't understand how people here can cheering Idra and writing "thanks for interview" for this video. Especially after his comment about group C. "Hasuobs doesnt matter" and he even doesnt know what race play Sarens? Of course he knows his race if he's preparing for IEM tourney so that comment was unnecessary. Idra is Idra but I see lot of guys here who likes his style of being. IMO thats pathethic.
btw Idra: You are one of the best players in Starcraft 2. I can't argue with that but you never won't be Top1 if you don't change your manners and show some respect to other players. You have to show some class outside the game and give some example for other players especially young players so they can know how to behave like the best progamer.
I was unaware good manners made #1 attainable whereas BM limits you to 2nd. The reason I like Idra is the same reason I dislike Korean interviews of the winners. Boring, bland, preplanned answers don't do anybody any good. However, speaking the truth about issues instead of sugar coating answers and being honest in an interview is always welcome. It isn't truth, it's bias and a complete embarrassment to e-sports. If we actually want e-sports to take off, we can't have the best American player in the world act like such a child. CJ obviously doesn't give a fuck about how Idra presents himself in these artosis videos, its a laid back interview with a friend, of course the BM is going to surface He's always more mannered in other interviews.
There's a huge difference between being BM in an already well-established scene and being BM in a scene that is trying to break through into popular culture in the west. It's seriously detrimental if one of the biggest representatives of the scene acts like this.
As for talks about his "biased" point of view ruining e-sports and any potential it could ever have. Did you ever consider that what he's saying may have some truth to it, or did your biased view conflict with his and so his became wrong? I'm tired of every thread becoming "zvt is imbalanced" "quit qqing every zerg player lolz". It's not even close to constructive to the subject of the thread, or even the subject of zvt. Let the shit flinging end and accept that idra has a different view than you and he's going to express it that way. Not pretend his view doesn't exist to keep everyone happy.
There's a very blatant difference between articulating your points in a mature manner and just mindlessly race-bashing and acting like a child when you lose (or even when you win).
god some of you blow things out of proportion so much and just act like total idiots. idra's never personally insulted anyone as far as i can remember, and personally i respect anyone who speaks their mind. bullshit is bullshit even if it's coated in sugar.
Have you been living under a rock?
I mean really, asking someone to apologize for playing the race they enjoy is probably one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in this community, especially when IdrA is pretty known for picking the race that he thinks is the most powerful.
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Good interview, Artosis does a good job, keeping us informed of what's going on over there, and I quite agree with his opinions, of who will advance. (not all of his opinions though).
And to put it nicely, I am not disappointed with Idra :b
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It's IdrA. He likes to stir things up, and he's earned it. He's an amazing player. Even though I don't agree with his personality, It doesn't bother me as long as he doesn't let the Terran IMBA talk effect his game.
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On August 14 2010 02:07 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
It's IdrA. He likes to stir things up, and he's earned it. He's an amazing player. Even though I don't agree with his personality, It doesn't bother me as long as he doesn't let the Terran IMBA talk effect his game.
If there is an imba, it's important that people talk about it.
Especially Idra since he is oe of the few who has a chance to be heard by Blizzard or at least to make people aware of it.
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On August 14 2010 02:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 02:07 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
It's IdrA. He likes to stir things up, and he's earned it. He's an amazing player. Even though I don't agree with his personality, It doesn't bother me as long as he doesn't let the Terran IMBA talk effect his game. If there is an imba, it's important that people talk about it. Especially Idra since he is oe of the few who has a chance to be heard by Blizzard or at least to make people aware of it.
I get that, that wasn't what I was saying. I just meant as long as he keeps playing at a high level, I don't really care how he acts. People who watch IdrA interviews should expect a little trash talk. Why complain when you know it's gonna keep happening? Lol.
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On August 14 2010 02:13 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2010 02:07 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
It's IdrA. He likes to stir things up, and he's earned it. He's an amazing player. Even though I don't agree with his personality, It doesn't bother me as long as he doesn't let the Terran IMBA talk effect his game. If there is an imba, it's important that people talk about it. Especially Idra since he is oe of the few who has a chance to be heard by Blizzard or at least to make people aware of it.
Talk about it? Yes.
Bitch about it and act like a complete child while insulting people? No. That tarnishes the attempts of e-sports to actually be respected, especially when it comes from the best American player in the world.
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On August 13 2010 08:49 Kigari wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2010 08:45 NuKedUFirst wrote:
I don't see how this is relevant. If games don't go over 5 minutes you got cheesed because your opponent wasn't good enough to play your legitly.
Which is maybe why I haven't seen a single replay of IdrA where he DOESN'T cheese ? (Ok I lied, maybe i've seen 3 or 4 on the 50 or so games I've seen from him...) Even the most unknown casters of the darkest pits of internet are starting to call it "typical IdrAge" when a scrub fails his cheese and starts to rage... so... meh.. lol ;-)
Lol. Do you know what cheese is? I've never seen a game in sc2 or sc1 where idra went all in at all.
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On August 14 2010 01:40 IdrA wrote:
ive explained why zvt is imbalanced in detail multiple times in public. a short video interview about a tournament is not the place to do it again.
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I thought it was hilarious that IdrA didnt predict Artosis to get out of his group when he was sitting right there. GL to IdrA
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