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arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
August 13 2010 15:18 GMT
#241
On August 14 2010 00:15 kajeus wrote:
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On August 13 2010 21:34 infinity2k9 wrote:
Why is artosis even invited to this

Because Artosis beat a bunch of people in the qualifiers and finished in the top 4? That's what I thought, anyway. Unless I'm getting my tournaments mixed up.

If this is that tournament, where is Silver?


It's not that tournament.
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 15:26:04
August 13 2010 15:25 GMT
#242
On August 14 2010 00:18 arctics86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:15 kajeus wrote:
On August 13 2010 21:34 infinity2k9 wrote:
Why is artosis even invited to this

Because Artosis beat a bunch of people in the qualifiers and finished in the top 4? That's what I thought, anyway. Unless I'm getting my tournaments mixed up.

If this is that tournament, where is Silver?


It's not that tournament.

Yeah, that was the American leg.

Pardon me... There's an IEM World and an IEM America. They have different participants... though sometimes the same participants!!
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
August 13 2010 15:33 GMT
#243
The balance question cannot ever be argued because the "top" zergs have this weird two-fold argument where if there are a majority of terrans in a tournament, or in the top of a ladder, it is evidence of how imbalaned terran is. However when there is not a majority of terrans dominating, then it is because those terrans playing are actually bad.

IdrA and Artosis sadly does it all the time, it is a shame for their careers because if they are so good that they manage to do well against all these mediocre OP terrans, then imagine if they would just go for it and switch to terran. IdrA would be 500 wins to 0 losses in the ladders and win every single tournament.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
August 13 2010 15:35 GMT
#244
normally i would want idra to win, but if that happens, blizzard will never nerf terran.
decemberTV
gospelwut
Profile Joined April 2010
United States52 Posts
August 13 2010 15:38 GMT
#245
One has to at least respect IdrA's honesty.
Pertan
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden33 Posts
August 13 2010 15:50 GMT
#246
Awsum to see two swedes in the tournament, and really hoping that madfrog can polish his play and surprise his group. Ty IdrA and Artosis for opinions.
"It's not that he's dumb, he's just neural parasited by a retarded infestor"
Kigari
Profile Joined August 2010
Bahrain134 Posts
August 13 2010 15:52 GMT
#247
On August 13 2010 23:40 Arcticc wrote:
Well, you have to understand that he has devoted much MUCH more time to the Starcraft games than most of these top players. It would be frustrating to you to see someone come into your 'field' and use cheap tricks to get ahead. Maybe terran imbalanced isn't affecting a lot of levels of play, but the level it would have most affect on is Idra's. Thus, why he makes complaints about it. Because that imbalance could me a shot at earning some money.


Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.

Do you see them rage, not salute opponents or admit a good game by shaking hands even if they lose ? Oh, right, they get kicked off tournaments if they don't because they're taught respect, unlike brats with an ego problem thinking shitting on everyone else because "OP" is perfectly fine.

And anyways, nobody here would even be able to define what part of terran is "op".

In a sense it's "am losing to terran more so they're OP". Then following the casualtrain blizzard will nerf terrans making them effectively UNDERpowered. As a result terran players will legitimately switch to another race, start blasting your ass with it then you'll see threads "PROTOSS OP" or "ZERG OP" pop all around this place again...
Arcticc
Profile Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
August 13 2010 16:11 GMT
#248
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:

Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.

Do you see them rage, not salute opponents or admit a good game by shaking hands even if they lose ? Oh, right, they get kicked off tournaments if they don't because they're taught respect, unlike brats with an ego problem thinking shitting on everyone else because "OP" is perfectly fine.


This is really your argument? Lmao. Please don't pollute this thread with your 'well thought out' comparisons.

On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
And anyways, nobody here would even be able to define what part of terran is "op".

In a sense it's "am losing to terran more so they're OP". Then following the casualtrain blizzard will nerf terrans making them effectively UNDERpowered. As a result terran players will legitimately switch to another race, start blasting your ass with it then you'll see threads "PROTOSS OP" or "ZERG OP" pop all around this place again...


So basically you don't actually read the threads complaining about terran. You just hear that zergs are complaining and because you play Terran, you immediately bash them. Good representation right there.
CrAzEdBaDgEr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada166 Posts
August 13 2010 16:14 GMT
#249
On August 14 2010 01:11 Arcticc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:

Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.

Do you see them rage, not salute opponents or admit a good game by shaking hands even if they lose ? Oh, right, they get kicked off tournaments if they don't because they're taught respect, unlike brats with an ego problem thinking shitting on everyone else because "OP" is perfectly fine.


This is really your argument? Lmao. Please don't pollute this thread with your 'well thought out' comparisons.

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
And anyways, nobody here would even be able to define what part of terran is "op".

In a sense it's "am losing to terran more so they're OP". Then following the casualtrain blizzard will nerf terrans making them effectively UNDERpowered. As a result terran players will legitimately switch to another race, start blasting your ass with it then you'll see threads "PROTOSS OP" or "ZERG OP" pop all around this place again...


So basically you don't actually read the threads complaining about terran. You just hear that zergs are complaining and because you play Terran, you immediately bash them. Good representation right there.


His post made a lot more sense than yours did. You can't just take a very resasonable argument and say "That's your argument? Pffftttt" and go on as if you've actually countered it. You're the one polluting the thread.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:23:56
August 13 2010 16:20 GMT
#250
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining

Also IdrA, Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 13 2010 16:23 GMT
#251
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 23:40 Arcticc wrote:
Well, you have to understand that he has devoted much MUCH more time to the Starcraft games than most of these top players. It would be frustrating to you to see someone come into your 'field' and use cheap tricks to get ahead. Maybe terran imbalanced isn't affecting a lot of levels of play, but the level it would have most affect on is Idra's. Thus, why he makes complaints about it. Because that imbalance could me a shot at earning some money.


Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.


that probably depends on the sport but for at least the period in which the progamer is playing i suspect this often isn't true

some pro gamers spend like 10h a day training
I doubt there are many if any olympic events in which the althletes train 10h a day or even very close to it
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 13 2010 16:24 GMT
#252
On August 14 2010 01:20 Snowfield wrote:
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining

So it would just be Idra silently looking at the camera for 6 minutes. Artosis' first foray into art house
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:25:42
August 13 2010 16:25 GMT
#253
On August 14 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
On August 13 2010 23:40 Arcticc wrote:
Well, you have to understand that he has devoted much MUCH more time to the Starcraft games than most of these top players. It would be frustrating to you to see someone come into your 'field' and use cheap tricks to get ahead. Maybe terran imbalanced isn't affecting a lot of levels of play, but the level it would have most affect on is Idra's. Thus, why he makes complaints about it. Because that imbalance could me a shot at earning some money.


Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.


that probably depends on the sport but for at least the period in which the progamer is playing i suspect this often isn't true

some pro gamers spend like 10h a day training
I doubt there are many if any olympic events in which the althletes train 10h a day or even very close to it


Are you trying to troll us all? Athletes "train" the entire day, their whole life is set up to become teh best at what they do. Everything they do is to maximize their capabilities

On August 14 2010 01:24 floor exercise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 01:20 Snowfield wrote:
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining

So it would just be Idra silently looking at the camera for 6 minutes. Artosis' first foray into art house


Made me laugh
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:34:28
August 13 2010 16:32 GMT
#254
On August 14 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
On August 13 2010 23:40 Arcticc wrote:
Well, you have to understand that he has devoted much MUCH more time to the Starcraft games than most of these top players. It would be frustrating to you to see someone come into your 'field' and use cheap tricks to get ahead. Maybe terran imbalanced isn't affecting a lot of levels of play, but the level it would have most affect on is Idra's. Thus, why he makes complaints about it. Because that imbalance could me a shot at earning some money.


Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.


that probably depends on the sport but for at least the period in which the progamer is playing i suspect this often isn't true

some pro gamers spend like 10h a day training
I doubt there are many if any olympic events in which the althletes train 10h a day or even very close to it

10h/day Starcraft doesn't quite compare to sports that require great physical conditioning. Yes, Starcraft is mentally taxing but eh.. that comparison doesn't work. I could play chess for 10h without a problem, I'd get tired and probably be awful at the last few hours but at least I could keep doing it. I couldn't lift/run/exercise for 10h straight.

Not to mention nutrition and all the fun weight cutting etc. athletes have to worry about.
FaiHt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:35:58
August 13 2010 16:34 GMT
#255
Every single person in this thread bashing idrA and Artosis for whining are being BM themselves. A respectable player would just say "idrA has his opinion and I have mine, and they just don't line up." Not that "idras a fucking baby". Idra very clearly knows what he believes and ppl hating on him for that are the whiners. A bunch of immature brats screaming on the forums is not gonna change idra as a person.

In my opinion (which clearly won't matter cause I'm a shitastic diamond player like everyone else) if you folks can't respect idra's view on the IEM groups, when the topic of the thread is "IDRA ON IEM" ....don't fucking watch the video. Or if you think you can do a better job, move to Korea... earn enough rep and get idrA to be on your show, since that's apparently no big deal.

As for imbalances... I believe most zerg just find it extremely hard to defend all of the possible things that Terran could do. They spend alot of resources early making sure their ass is covered and then simply get out produced by stronger units. As the game evolves new options will open up. But hey that's just my opinion. Now who wants to be badmannered and bash me for having an opinion? If you feel so compelled to run me down about my views... don't fucking read my post, cause I guarantee I won't give 2 shits about any of your responses.
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:38:28
August 13 2010 16:36 GMT
#256
On August 14 2010 01:34 FaiHt wrote:
Every single person in this thread bashing idrA and Artosis for whining are being BM themselves. A respectable player would just say "idrA has his opinion and I have mine, and they just don't line up." Not that "idras a fucking baby". Idra very clearly knows what he believes and ppl hating on him for that are the whiners. A bunch of immature brats screaming on the forums is not gonna change idra as a person.

In my opinion (which clearly won't matter cause I'm a shitastic diamond player like everyone else) if you folks can't respect idra's view on the IEM groups, when the topic of the thread is "IDRA ON IEM" ....don't fucking watch the video. Or if you think you can do a better job, move to Korea... earn enough rep and get idrA to be on your show, since that's apparently no big deal.

As for imbalances... I believe most zerg just find it extremely hard to defend all of the possible things that Terran could do. They spend alot of resources early making sure their ass is cover and then simply get out produced by stronger units. As the game evolves new options will open up. But hey that's just my opinion. Now who wants to be badmannered and bash me for having an opinion? If you feel so compelled to run me down about my views... don't fucking read my post, cause I guarantee I won't give 2 shits about any of your responses.


We watched the video because we thought it was IdrA on IEM groups, not IdrA hating terran some more for 6 minutes

And i don't care if you don't care about my response, im still going to respond. Your entire post would be good if IdrA actually explained himself and talked some sense instead of just "bullshit terran you suck at this game your mother raised you wrong go kill yoruself"

IdrA BMs' the players, and hates everyone who plays a race in a game they like, why does he do that? What motivates him to personally insult players who beat him with a race he doesn't like? thats not his opinion, thats verbal attacks, different.
EppE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States221 Posts
August 13 2010 16:37 GMT
#257
On August 14 2010 01:25 Snowfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 01:23 travis wrote:
On August 14 2010 00:52 Kigari wrote:
On August 13 2010 23:40 Arcticc wrote:
Well, you have to understand that he has devoted much MUCH more time to the Starcraft games than most of these top players. It would be frustrating to you to see someone come into your 'field' and use cheap tricks to get ahead. Maybe terran imbalanced isn't affecting a lot of levels of play, but the level it would have most affect on is Idra's. Thus, why he makes complaints about it. Because that imbalance could me a shot at earning some money.


Olympics athletes devote their WHOLE LIVES to a sport and in many ways live on a much, much harder regime than any "progamer" ever will.


that probably depends on the sport but for at least the period in which the progamer is playing i suspect this often isn't true

some pro gamers spend like 10h a day training
I doubt there are many if any olympic events in which the althletes train 10h a day or even very close to it


Are you trying to troll us all? Athletes "train" the entire day, their whole life is set up to become teh best at what they do. Everything they do is to maximize their capabilities

Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 01:24 floor exercise wrote:
On August 14 2010 01:20 Snowfield wrote:
Would be a good video if it was not for all the bitching and whining

So it would just be Idra silently looking at the camera for 6 minutes. Artosis' first foray into art house


Made me laugh


Athletes CAN'T actively train for 10 hours a day. Their body wont take it. Their daily lives are structured around their sport but I wouldn't call eating vegetables more than the average person training. :p

To be honest though even Idra has admited that he feels SK practice TOO much. This is not an olympic event though. Comparisons and analogies are horrible to use on the internet because people will argue the analogy and not the point you are trying to make.

I think Artosis' comments are annoying. He reminds me of Donny Vermillion. I don't want his opinion of balance, I want him interviewing people who have opinions about it. Artosis looks like a very biast reporter... or caster... when he makes comments like this. Again though, I have no problem with Idra saying these things since he is the one being interviewed, it just gets old after every interview.
Kigari
Profile Joined August 2010
Bahrain134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 16:39:27
August 13 2010 16:37 GMT
#258
Terran is not OP. Proof right here:

People knowing how to play their races > noobs blaming their lack of skill on OPdness.



Notice the use of BURROW. Something zerg players NEVER use even if it's one of their fundamental strenghts.
EppE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States221 Posts
August 13 2010 16:39 GMT
#259
On August 14 2010 01:37 Kigari wrote:
Terran is not OP. Proof right here:

People knowing how to play their races > noobs blaming their lack of skill on OPdness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFNIERRREq4



Because 1 game in a best of 5 totally means nothing is wrong...
Snowfield
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1289 Posts
August 13 2010 16:39 GMT
#260
Artosis = Donny Vermillion haha, best comparison
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