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Snowfield
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:34 travis wrote: I think too many people blow it WAY out of proportion. I find it hilarious. Why can't people just find it funny or amusing when there is nothing personal about it? You are all too serious. People trash talk all the time in various sports and competition. Lots of people love it. Lots of people love idra. It's probably actually good for e-sports but some people just love to make a big deal about stuff. And seriously, people blow it way out of proportion. In the vast majority of the games idra says nothing disrespectful. Idra GGs. But every once in a while he speaks his mind and omg he was disrespectful! How dare he just not be quiet and GG. It's such a big deal! do you know if he was talking about your character as a person, or about your sc2 abilities? (with idra i'd expect the latter). I mean if he was talking about you personally then I concede, that is personal. But I have to doubt it.. and I mean, I am sure he's made personal comments about others, most everyone has. but we are talking about in tournaments and on streams and shit. Honestly there if you'd see me going around at poker tournament calling other players shitty players or huge donkeys out loud, guess what would happen? But hey it's not personal attacks, I'm just commenting on their poker skills.... I mean seriously there, gotta show some respect | ||
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JollYRoGeR
Sweden342 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/35080 prime example | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
I think too many people blow it WAY out of proportion. I find it hilarious. Why can't people just find it funny or amusing when there is nothing personal about it? You are all too serious. People trash talk all the time in various sports and competition. Lots of people love it. Lots of people love idra. It's probably actually good for e-sports but some people just love to make a big deal about stuff. I specifically addressed this point before. It doesn't matter if other sports do it. Sure, if TO is a complete asshole in the NFL, it's fine. Some people like it. It's fine because the sport already has an established, respected scene. People see that and say, "Oh, I know most football players are well behaved and respectful, TO's just an exception." E-sports is completely different. There is no respected scene in mainstream western society. In fact, video games are seen as detrimental, a waste of time, and childish by most, even though we all know it's not true. That's why the best American player in the world acting like a child only further supports this stereotype and doesn't help us at all. Oh, and it doesn't matter if it's only once in a while. When it's that bad, it'll get around pretty easily and people will only pay attention to that. | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
"If there were no luck in poker, i would win every tournament" | ||
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Arcticc
United States203 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:41 Fayth wrote: Honestly there if you'd see me going around at poker tournament calling other players shitty players or huge donkeys out loud, guess what would happen? But hey it's not personal attacks, I'm just commenting on their poker skills.... I mean seriously there, gotta show some respect Umm, that actually happens and donkey is an insult. But questioning "noob" plays happens all the time in poker. What are you trying to get at? Have you never even heard of phil helmuth? | ||
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Snowfield
1289 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:43 Arcticc wrote: Umm, that actually happens and donkey is an insult. But questioning "noob" plays happens all the time in poker. What are you trying to get at? Have you never even heard of phil helmuth? But noone likes Phil Helmuth, he is the poker brat, and idra is the starcraft brat  | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:43 Arcticc wrote: Umm, that actually happens and donkey is an insult. But questioning "noob" plays happens all the time in poker. What are you trying to get at? Have you never even heard of phil helmuth? Yeah, thing is hellmuth isn't really good, I'm guessing he does it for exposure, also everybody hates him, literally everybody despises the way he acts, which is extremely similar to idra's | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:41 Fayth wrote: Honestly there if you'd see me going around at poker tournament calling other players shitty players or huge donkeys out loud, guess what would happen? But hey it's not personal attacks, I'm just commenting on their poker skills.... I mean seriously there, gotta show some respect that's because they're oversensitive losers, lol and tons of poker players do regularly make fun of other poker players, in fact i think that's even more common than in the sc world. maybe you play good enough on whatever site that no one makes fun of you lol, but when i played like shit and would donk out on someone they wouldn't hesitate to make fun of me (and often make it personal actually) clearly in person is different than live... i don't think you're gonna see idra talking too much shit in person, largely for the reasons you say. | ||
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Arcticc
United States203 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:45 Fayth wrote: Yeah, thing is hellmuth isn't really good, I'm guessing he does it for exposure, also everybody hates him, literally everybody despises the way he acts, which is extremely similar to idra's If you're going to try and state "facts" about a subject, please actually know something about it. P.S. Phil Helmuth currently holds the most WSOP bracelets. He's not really good though. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:47 Arcticc wrote: If you're going to try and state "facts" about a subject, please actually know something about it. P.S. Phil Helmuth currently holds the most WSOP bracelets. He's not really good though. are u suggesting that fayth doesn't know something about poker / hellmuth? that's pretty funny, it's actually you that's ignorant here and doesn't know who he is talking to (hellmuth may be a good tourney player esp against fish but almost all top players seem to agree that he sucks vs good opponents, esp in cash) | ||
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Arcticc
United States203 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:52 travis wrote: are u suggesting that fayth doesn't know something about poker / hellmuth? that's pretty funny, it's actually you that's ignorant here and doesn't know who he is talking to Sorry, I didn't actually realize it's Fayth, but, still, winning some money in the WSOP doesn't put you above Hellmuth. He's still statistically one of the best poker players and is actually well respected in the community. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
idra is prob more respected in the sc community than hellmuth is lol, both are despised by a fairly large portion though which could change only if their attitude was better over losing games | ||
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
On August 14 2010 02:20 Stropheum wrote: Lol. Do you know what cheese is? I've never seen a game in sc2 or sc1 where idra went all in at all. wow. do YOU even know what cheese is? seriously all you sc2 noobs dont know what the difference between cheese and all-in is and its making me rage hardcore, especially when playing games all-in is when a player does an all in'ish attack that the player has no plans for a follow-up. if the attack fails then he fails cheese is when a player does a strategy that relies on almost entirely on secrecy, if scouted then the strategy becomes immensely easier to counter and win PLEASE LEARN THE FKIN DIFFERENCE IF YOUR GOING TO USE THOSE TERMS FOR EXAPMLE, A V RAY RUSH IS NOT CHEESY OR ALL-IN. THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRANSITIONS OUT OF A VOIDRAY RUSH. -_- | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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kajeus
United States679 Posts
On August 14 2010 03:41 JollYRoGeR wrote: i play terran, but i do agree with idra.. http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/35080 prime example I play zerg and I think IdrA sucked hard that game, once ultras came out. That was the end of his plan and he had no clue what to do next. So he made more and more and more ultras and crammed them into chokes, slamming his ball into drewbie's ball over and over again. Meanwhile, there were about 5 points in the game when (e.g.) a quick switch to hitting T instead of U would have won him the game. Once drewbie has only marauders and thors, exclusively ultras is also a Bad Decision. Hydras were far and away the best choice then. That was IdrA play at its worse. The guy burns out or something. | ||
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HubertFelix
France631 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:06 Sky.Technique wrote: wow. do YOU even know what cheese is? [bla bla bla] PLEASE LEARN THE FKIN DIFFERENCE IF YOUR GOING TO USE THOSE TERMS FOR EXAPMLE, A V RAY RUSH IS NOT CHEESY OR ALL-IN. THERE ARE PLENTY OF TRANSITIONS OUT OF A VOIDRAY RUSH. -_- Seriously, who cares? Maybe you should grow up and stop raging like this behind your computer. The ITW was fun, I like this lame attitude with terrans. | ||
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:07 Fayth wrote: proxy void ray is cheese though YES, you are correct, because the player is relying on secrecy of not being scouted so the zerg dooesnt do the counter (generally) proxy tech (for any race, but zerg.....is less implied here) is generally cheesey | ||
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Arcticc
United States203 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:02 Fayth wrote: he's not respected in the poker community, at all, what you see on tv is most likely skewed, he's really not as good as he makes it sounds like or as media makes it sound like, he hasn't won much at all in the past few years, online players with gaming backround are doing far far better than hellmuth, trust me on that, he did well back when everybody was casual and sucked... idra is prob more respected in the sc community than hellmuth is lol, both are despised by a fairly large portion though which could change only if their attitude was better over losing games You have to respect his accomplishments regardless of people's opinions of him. http://www.pokerpages.com/player-profile/phil-hellmuth.htm His numbers for 2010 are pretty consistent with other years. (minus any abnormally large wins) But, I don't think it's right to just talk about Phil here. There are a lot of players who just tilt and make comments about plays. Yeh, it's bad mannered but it happens. And let's not talk about what these players do away from the table (which is actually more relevant to this thread and not specifically about the in game BM) | ||
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
On August 14 2010 04:12 HubertFelix wrote: Seriously, who cares? Maybe you should grow up and stop raging like this behind your computer. The ITW was fun, I like this lame attitude with terrans. you kids , especially you newbie sc2 people just go oh he did "blahblah", he only won cuz cheese. OP!!@221111 if you kids are gonna cry about cheese, learn what it is | ||
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