IdrA on IEM Cologne groups - Page 18

On August 14 2010 05:10 Deadlyfish wrote:
IdrA doesnt seem very likeable. TLO, Madfrog or Whitera seem like cool guys and IdrA keeps making excuses for his losses. Just face it IdrA, you are not the best non Korean sc2 player, sorry to break it to ya.

Why are people here fighting over the definition of cheese? You're trying to define a video game term that doesnt even exist in real language, sounds kinda silly

There is no solid definition, anyone can have their own definition of it.

On August 14 2010 05:09 EppE wrote:
I totally disagree with you. I think Idra laid out pretty well and unbiased why the TvZ/P isn't nessecarly fair atm. He also cites alot of tournaments as source. Most people don't put half the thought into balance that those Idra quotes have.

On August 14 2010 05:04 Sky.Technique wrote:


amongst the high tier players, aka people like veteran sc players, high diamonds, etc, the defintion of cheese is only truly lost with noobs like you guys who dont know what cheese is. they hear someone cry cheese when they lose to something, so they immediately throw the word around without knowing what it is, and that is what causes confusion. if people like you had any education at all and realize its extremly ignorant to throw words around you don't know

cheese is exactly what (day9) and i said it was. when idra loses to something does he say it was cheese? no, he doesnt (unless it actually was cheese). he says what he lost to and doesnt use the word cheese.

ur skill level? i dont need to go ask for your ID to know that your ignorance of sc2 in general points me to that you are either near gold/silver level, or your higher but have only got there with something retardedly stupid like mass marines with stim (yes you can get to diamond like that, my older brother has, and he still doesnt think its a bad build)

*sigh*

On August 14 2010 05:10 Deadlyfish wrote: Just face it IdrA, you are not the best non Korean sc2 player, sorry to break it to ya.

On August 14 2010 05:12 EppE wrote:


You realize he isn't just making excuses for his loses, he is also saying this is why WhiteRa isn't as dominant as he should be... or that MadFrog isn't as dominate as he should be.

And if you want to argue Cheese on TL.net use the TL.net definiton. We have one.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Cheese

On August 14 2010 05:22 Deadlyfish wrote:


I DONT want to argue over definitions of a silly made up word lol

It would actually be the same if we started arguing over what "heavy" meant. There is no 100% meaning, it can be used in different contexts and there are different degrees of "heavy".

I personally dont like IdrA, the only times he actually laughs is when he jokes around with "haha 7 terrans gonna be in finals this tourney" .........

Yea Terran might be a little good vs Zerg, deal with it. Do you hear race car drivers complain about their car everytime they lose? No, because that would be silly, and people wouldnt take them seriously. If "e-sports" are trying to become a legit sport then drop the complaining and discussing useless things and just start playing

On August 14 2010 05:27 EppE wrote:


Wow you couldn't have picked a worse analogy.

First off most racing organizations have rules set up to specifically make the cars equal. You can measure every aspect of a race car to ensure its equality to another. We can’t have those exact comparisons with three different races that each perform in different ways.

Race car manufacturers pay the drivers. They aren't going to shit talk the hand that feeds them. Zerg doesn’t pay Idra, CJ Entus does.

On August 14 2010 05:32 Deadlyfish wrote:



What is with people just picking at everything that people say. "No that's not what cheese means" "No no no, that's not how racing works" and on and on. Just understand the point and stop nagging on every little detail

On August 14 2010 05:27 EppE wrote:


Wow you couldn't have picked a worse analogy.

First off most racing organizations have rules set up to specifically make the cars equal. You can measure every aspect of a race car to ensure its equality to another. We can’t have those exact comparisons with three different races that each perform in different ways.

Race car manufacturers pay the drivers. They aren't going to shit talk the hand that feeds them. Zerg doesn’t pay Idra, CJ Entus does.

On August 14 2010 05:38 EppE wrote:
Idra presents why he feels T is more powerful than Z/P very well. He cites many tournaments and explains why he feels the people winning with T are winning due to the race and not their skill. Use tournaments and pro gamers gaming history to back up your argument. Don’t compare SC2 to something completely unrelated.

In the real world it's simply called being a SORE LOSER.

On August 14 2010 05:14 Kigari wrote:


He cites tournaments and then goes on talking trash about the players who advanced/won them "because it's obvious terran is op".

It never even occurred to him that they simply could be good players.

Just because your starcraft god proclaims "that they're all bad noobs" doesn't make it true. If Terran was so overpowered then he should SWITCH to terran and proceed to win every tournament to demonstrate it.

The sad fact is, he's incapable of doing so because he's a scrub desperately hanging to his beloved zergs, crying about OP every time his lame-ass strategies fail.

Fast expand mass roaches or mutas is literally all I've seen him do when he's not cheesing. Don't you think people would know that by now ? Don't you think they'd prepare accordingly ?

He should get creative instead of crying overpower when people raze his only 2 strategies...

On August 14 2010 06:32 Kigari wrote:
I play random so you can forget the terran argument.

Second, I manage to down a good number of high level terrans in the top diamond, especially with zergs.

Not my fault people don't use zerg abilities and then cry OP. All I know is that when you play zergs the way they should (run around everywhere, harass, burrow, etc), you can make short work of terrans.

The only minor inconveniences would be early hellion & viking harass. Past that point all you have to do is use your infestors correctly and forbid the terran from putting his tanks in siege mode.

Burrow at his expansions to make him waste scans, fungal growth his workers by sneaking an infestor, use corruption on his structures etc.... DO SOMETHING. With just 3 overseers you can cripple a terran's ability to make units for basically as long as you want to.

On August 14 2010 06:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Well, clearly you know something all of the other zerg don't. When you win the next open tournament make sure to give a boring, bland interview with no emotion and talk about how zerg is just fine then.