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TheOGBlitzKrieg
United States346 Posts
i use the naga keys as my control groups as follows 1-3 Ground army/scout 4-6 Air army 7-9 Production buildings and Nexus/Hatch/CC 10-12 not used too hard to hit i find it SOOOO easy to manage control groups this way if anyone is having troubles with their control groups i highly reccommend the Naga mouse for SC2 | ||
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futoM4ki
Germany73 Posts
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Infestion
United States1 Post
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
Hope you never plan to enter tournaments with that thing. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On August 21 2010 23:13 NuKedUFirst wrote: Cheaters gonna cheat Hope you never plan to enter tournaments with that thing. i think there was a blue post about it , saying its only cheating if you bind more than one action ( like a macro ) to one button. 1-1 bindings seems legal | ||
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
-It's not a very good distribution of left/right hand usage. -The mouse itself is quite big and heavy. Too big and too heavy for an RTS imo. | ||
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Teqi
Norway1 Post
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Therick
Norway324 Posts
1-3 army 4 production buildings 5 command center 6 Engineering bay/armory 7-8 command center 9-12 nothing else needed  On August 21 2010 23:17 Melt wrote: -I think you can't accurately move your mouse if you press buttons on its side. -It's not a very good distribution of left/right hand usage. -The mouse itself is quite big and heavy. Too big and too heavy for an RTS imo. 1. You can, i have used it for 6 months or so, and when you are used it to, you can use it with high presicion 2. Agreed, but again, you get used to it 3. Personal taste | ||
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brn4meplz
Canada98 Posts
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Therick
Norway324 Posts
On August 21 2010 23:30 brn4meplz wrote: If it feels good use it. I'm actually in the market for a Mouse but I won't buy anything until i can feel it and hold it, regardless of what it is. This thing looks too uncomfortable for me. with the way I hold my mouse I'd be hitting 3/6/9/12 all the time by mistake The first couple of days i had problems myself selecting the correct buttons, but with the mouse you get some rubber/plastic stickers (Trainers), which you stick to the buttons and it will help make you used to the positions of the buttons very easy! I was used to the mouse after like, prolly 3-4 days The trainers + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://strangera.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/razer-naga-grid-trainer.jpg) | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 21 2010 23:13 NuKedUFirst wrote: Cheaters gonna cheat Hope you never plan to enter tournaments with that thing. how is that cheating it will always be inferior to keyboard. | ||
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Teken
United Kingdom35 Posts
imagin this im using the 10 for my comonad center and i make svc any time i want even doing some reaper macros is just so much better that doing something like 1s 2s 3s 4s at least for me a new sc player HIGHLY recomended and lol NAGA is big ? what about logitech or steeseries... | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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berimbau
Australia22 Posts
I have trained myself using this mouse to help me access control groups 6-0 and if I see any evidence that this mouse could be banned from lans I want to start practicing without it right now. Does anyone know if there's an official policy on these? Not just speculation, but know for a fact it is banned or has been banned in any lan tournaments. NB: this is not about a macro mouse. This is about remapping the number keys on to your mouse for easier access. I have no macros set up. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
Unless there's specific rules banning its use you should be perfectly fine. | ||
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limonovich
England226 Posts
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
It's cheating. And people got banned for using similar things (keyboards/mouse or whatnot). There were gazillion posts on their official forums because people that came from WoW didn't know this was illegal. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4419 Posts
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 03 2010 21:42 Gotmog wrote: There is. It's cheating. And people got banned for using similar things (keyboards/mouse or whatnot). There were gazillion posts on their official forums because people that came from WoW didn't know this was illegal. Provide a source for your statement, I can't find anything. | ||
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Quetz
United Kingdom28 Posts
On November 03 2010 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: it is cheating because you have to remap the mouse buttons every time you go on to a new computer No you don't, those buttons on the side by default work exactly the same as the number keys on your keyboard. Just because something has a ton of buttons doesn't automatically mean they have complicated macro functions on them. They are as much cheating as pressing the number keys on your keyboard is...which is not at all. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
The moment you actually work with macros, e.g. substituting multiple actions with a single click of a button, you create an unfair advantage - you cheat. And can get banned. See this thread as well: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=146760 | ||
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berimbau
Australia22 Posts
I want to be clear. I have never used macros on this mouse. I just find the positioning for the keys more comfortable and easier to use. Its just the location of the same keys. I want to know if this function ALONE is banned at LAN tournaments (not online), not the macros. @ drewbie. Would they not allow the use of this mouse at MLG? Without macros of course, just using the number keys on the side instead of your keyboard. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
Why the hell does the number key row have to be above your QWERTY? And more importantly, can anyone please point to an official source that says anything about banning this specific function, instead of talking about macros. | ||
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Agh
United States1045 Posts
On November 03 2010 21:44 drewbie.root wrote: they wont let u use this at lan's but any online tournament is probably ok, I don't think that the mouse actually helps you though, there are more important things to do with your mouse hand than binding hotkeys o-o afaik you can use this at MLG (other LANs might ban), as long as the buttons are only 1 press = 1 key/action. ----- On relation to the discussion, I used to use Steelseries' MMO mouse but eventually just opted for an old mouse. currently using a logitech click! that I bought back in like 2000, or 2002. (was one of the first mainstream optical mice) As drewbie said, some LANs may ban these mice, others wont. This was some of the reason I decided to switch. The other is comfort/percision. A thing to keep in mind is that one of the things to keep in mind with a mouse is simplicity. Another PC may not have your specific driver or version for that mouse, so any of the super 'techy' mice will always carry the liability of not allowing you to get your mouse to as close to perfect precision that you are used to. If you want to use it I'd say go for it, but if it becomes a dependency or a crutch then I would avoid something like this. Also for the record the comfort level of these types of mice are usually extremely low compared to any generic mouse. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2003/10/20/optical_mice/logitechoptical.jpg) Pic above is the mouse I use. Almost a decade old but best one I've ever had. | ||
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berimbau
Australia22 Posts
I don't feel the mouse is a crutch to me. It doesn't need any drivers installed. The number keys on the side are simply the same as the numbers on the keyboard, just in a new location. Other than that its a completely normal mouse. I am pretty dependent on it though, I've tried playing without it and I am a lot worse. That's just because I'm very used to it now after having used it for several months. My only concern is arriving at a lan tourney and having someone say "what's this mouse? you can't use that, its cheating!" People seem to have different opinions on it. The most common one I find is that 1 key - 1 action is fine. If this is the case in lan tournaments I'd rather not switch because I honestly love this mouse. I just need to be sure. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On November 03 2010 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: it is cheating because you have to remap the mouse buttons every time you go on to a new computer This isn't the case for the Genius Ergo 555 or the CM Storm Sentinel, they both have onboard processors and 64k of memory to store 5 sets of macros/keybinds/dpi settings... you name it. They have 5 extra buttons (not including LMB/RMB) so you can have a total of 25 individual macros on your mouse alone. You don't require any special drivers to be installed for those particular mice providing it has already been programmed once. I've even programmed one of my Ergo 555s and used it on my mac and it still worked fine because it was all happening in the hardware. That said I'm sure they are still (and should be) banned in tournaments because you can automate a ridiculous amount of things with them. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
Any other questions about it please feel free to msg. But all North American lans should be okay with this. | ||
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makotoisle
United States29 Posts
When my last mouse died, I tried literally every mouse out there that I could get my hands on and the Naga just fits my hand perfectly. I can't explain it.(For me anyway) It's just so comfortable to use. If they had a model with the same shape on no buttons on the side, I'd probably opt for that. | ||
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duBstar
United States57 Posts
I play with the setting at 5600DPI ever since I bought it. The buttons on the side are not hard to hit nor do they get in the way. It is not illegal to use this mouse, the 12 buttons on the side are just like the 12 buttons from 1234567890-= on the keyboard. 1 to 1 keybindings are A-OKAY by Blizzard. And that's exactly what this is. Personally I find it more useful and easier in terms of macro-ing because I'm really not that fast at hitting keys to begin with. Take it for what you will but I love this mouse and it hasn't let me down yet. | ||
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limonovich
England226 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On November 04 2010 00:37 limonovich wrote: So basically, if you're crap and can't use hotkeys properly - use this mouse. How is it not using hotkeys? Pressing a button on a mouse instead of clicking the portrait = hotkey, so what are you talking about? It's funny how some people are against this, it doesnt make any sense. I should be able to use whatever i want as long as i dont use macros. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
Then i played with the other Mice, the G9 is great actually, but for my personal Taste little bit to heavy. The Salmosa (asia edition) is good but to small imho. I sticked to the Abyssus, works well for me, small (not to small..) not heavy etc. Imho People really should learn to use the Keyboard for all stuff and the Mouse ONLY for Accurate movements etc. it made me better at the Game, more than 50 Buttons on a Mouse ever could. btw. Shame on Blizzard banning People using Makro Keyboards, forbidding it on LAN is one Point... but not allowing People to usw their Hardware at Home with a Game they also paid Money for and making the Game useless then... really a Shame, and i am disappointed too by Blizzard actually. Wonder what happens with Keyboard where you can record Macros on the fly with the Keyboarrd itself instead of with the Driver? You will get banned, too? Thats a complete joke, Blizzard sells with Razer a Keyboard... unlogical. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
as far as lan gaming, i don't think it would be outlawed by the people there. Also, the beauty of sc1 and sc2 is that each of your hands are doing lot of movement. Your right hand uses the mouse to select units, pan the screen, click and what not. your left hand issues commands to buildings and units while selecting buildings and units. Accessing the hotkeys on your right hand imo is taking out the balance between the coordination of both hands and would lean the game more to mouse control. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 04 2010 00:37 limonovich wrote: So basically, if you're crap and can't use hotkeys properly - use this mouse. Basically, if you have nothing to add to the conversation except colossal ignorance - make this post. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On November 04 2010 00:44 nodq wrote: Imho People really should learn to use the Keyboard for all stuff and the Mouse ONLY for Accurate movements etc. it made me better at the Game, more than 50 Buttons on a Mouse ever could. There Naga seems great for 8-0. If you bind noncritical things like upgrade structures to those, you can still use 1-7 for units and critical macro buildings. Using nothing but the Naga buttons for all control groups seems really imprecise and bad. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On November 04 2010 00:37 limonovich wrote: So basically, if you're crap and can't use hotkeys properly - use this mouse. The only thing a Naga can do for you is make the buttons for control groups available on the mouse instead of the keyboard. Next time, just read what the topic is about and what said hardware actually can and can't do. Regarding the Naga for SC2: I switched from my Naga to a Razer Salmosa. I initially wanted to use the Numpad buttons for control goups, but wasn't happy with the general performance of the mouse in an RTS. The Naga's problems have been mentioned before (at least some of them), and they're pretty much what I experienced as well: - the Naga is heavier than the Salmosa - working with the side buttons always moves the mouse - several buttons can't be easily accessed without hitting other buttons, this includes 3-4 of the side buttons (always hit other side buttons) and the M4/M5 buttons (often hit left mouse button) And last but not least: The Naga has an ergonomical form, which is awesome when you plan to rest your hand on your mouse for a long time. But when you're hectically moving the mouse around trying to do stuff in SC2, you often literally lose control over the mouse - it just slips away or it takes forever to reposition the fingers properly. The Naga is an awesome MMO mouse, that's for sure - I utilized the extra buttons a lot when still playing WoW, and the form of the mouse + the weight make for a comfortable experience when using it for a long period of time (e.g. a raid night). But for the precision and speed you need in SC2, I'd very much recommend a lighter and more basic mouse. | ||
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Quetz
United Kingdom28 Posts
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DeadMaus
United States3 Posts
On November 03 2010 21:45 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: it is cheating because you have to remap the mouse buttons every time you go on to a new computer Not necessarily. The buttons are automatically recognized as 0 - 9 on your top row of keys or on your number pad. Excuse my lack of terminology, but the buttons are not identified as third party "special keys". Some may worry that you might unnecessarily hit the buttons on your mouse, but I have never done so. The buttons take a good amount of pressure to activate them, but that being said, I don't feel any loss of control over my mouse when I move my thumb to press the 1-12 buttons on my mouse. The only awkward keys that I can attest to are the two keys positioned to the left on the left mouse button. Those keys (which are commonly used as "forward" and "back" on web browsers) are really hard to use, but then again, I don't use them. | ||
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