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I think it sucks 
First, there are too many achievements against AI
People expected to get different achievement from "players level" not the "AI level"
Repeating all the same achievement with different AI level doesn't sound fun to me.
Second, some of the achievement, like 20 kills with yamato cannon, 30 kills with infested terran, cannot happen when the same level players play "normally"
To make it happen, one of the player must be ridiculously bad or good. or both players agree to give each other achievements...
I would say they should count those achievements over all games, not one game.
woo sorry about my awful english there, so what I'm trying to say is, instead of making it "20 yamato kills in 1 game", make it "50 yamato kills with your account." you get it??
so whenever you shoot the yamato cannon, it records on your account and you get the achievement when you shoot 50 of them that is more realistic and more like "achievement"
Third, why all the achievements are 10 points or 20 points????? give 30, or 50 points for more difficult one!!!!!!!
what you guys think?? :p
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who cares about achievements?
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I wish I could turn off achievements. I couldn't give a rat's ass about points and icons. The midgame pop-up notices just annoy me.
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On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements?
I do.
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It's annoying getting them in the middle of a game, that's my only opinion on achievements
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I think it's more of an Achievement to kill 30 in 1 game, than killing 50 over the next 12 years.
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I think achievements are fairly pointless but hey, if people are whining about achievements the game itself gotta be freaking awesome at this point. Good sign imo.
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I really think that while some players will go into a game trying to get a specific achievement, the majority of the better players will play the game as normal and get an "Oh Cool!" feeling when something unlocks. There are a lot of things that will eventually happen in your games (Since you have to WIN 1k for certain portraits.)
I think that is a good thing making the achievements more of a long term goal.
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On July 09 2010 04:49 Senx wrote:
I think achievements are fairly pointless but hey, if people are whining about achievements the game itself gotta be freaking awesome at this point. Good sign imo.
Why do you think like that, achievement is one part of the game, and i'm saying it sucks.
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I think they are good to have for the people that enjoy getting them. For people don't care so much, it doesn't effect them. So it all works out.
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I think they're pretty fun. I got some for like macroing really well after 20 minutes and I think one for keeping my queen mana below 100 after 20 as well.
Idk where to find them though lol
edit nvm i found them.
The queen one was actually "create 100 larvae with one queen."
And the macro one was to have 21 zerg units morph at the same time.
Oh and I also got one for have an attack last for 20 seconds without a single counterattack.
I'm interested in knowing how it decides whether you've achieved some of these.
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I think everyone should aim for getting the 1000 wins for each race by the end of the beta
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annoying as hell... every 2 seconds in a game i see something like psyonic death 10 achievement points!!!!
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On July 09 2010 04:49 floor exercise wrote:
It's annoying getting them in the middle of a game, that's my only opinion on achievements
yup, i don't get why they think it's a good idea to have a huge message show up in the middle of the screen
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On July 09 2010 04:46 caseeker wrote:
many achievements against AI
I'm actually all for that. I can't stand the achievements that need to be done in ranked and league matches. That's complete BS, because then you need to specifically try for some of them which possibly involves throwing games in the name of lolzer points.
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Achievements are more for the younger generation, I could care less...
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my thoughts on achievements is to either remove them completely or give me an option to disable them.
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Achievements is something you do when you're bored and don't want to work but none of your friends are on to play so you can't go back to work instead you find a lame excuse to tell yourself as you drain 10 hours of your working time away.
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i agree and like your opinion on how to fix it. with that said i'm more interested in just doing well in my ladder rather than unlocking everything
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Well screw it I think they're an alright idea.
Yes they're gonna piss us all off as we get the achievement "Purchase Starcraft 2" or some crap, but in time they'll add something to do when bored and some targets to achieve. Whether you care about them or not, as I don't, I don't see how they really have a negative impact.
Also I don't see how you can say how little you care about achievements, and then demand moar points per achievement. It's no e-penis or a huge one?
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i used to be an achivment whore but now i just dont care. its fun thing when it happend but im not going to try to get them
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On July 09 2010 04:59 Tone_ wrote:
. It's no e-penis or a huge one?
IT IS E-PENIS FOR KOREANS
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personally, im kinda amused by the tf2 references in the achievements.
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If I recall correctly, the X number of kill achievements are under melee. Does this mean they can be unlocked playing against AI?
On July 09 2010 04:49 floor exercise wrote:
It's annoying getting them in the middle of a game, that's my only opinion on achievements
Has this been changed since beta phase 1? In phase 1 I recall I was notified of an achievement at the end of the match. Then again, most of the achievements were for winning a match and none of these in game activities. Achievements should definitely be saved for the score screen...
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Russian Federation114 Posts
I would have more fun if we did not know what to do to complete the achievements, seeing them pop out of nowhere during epic games could be pretty awesome.
But there is nothing fun about forcing yourself to do something in order to get an achievement.
So don't look at the list and enjoy when you randomly achieve something
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Achievements are cool and all, but for the next week or two, all I am going to see on the right side of my screen is a blur of achievement events 
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First off, if you complete an achievement against insane AI, you get it for every other difficulty. Also, I used to think the same about the league achievements, but then I realised 4v4s are usually retarded and you can get them there. So I kind of like the achievements, gives you something to do on the side if you're feeling bored.
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i loved the very first achievement.. 1 win. it's called "I win" i had that one shown off in all of my achievement slots
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On July 09 2010 05:07 Kantutan wrote:
First off, if you complete an achievement against insane AI, you get it for every other difficulty
Didn't know that!!! thank you
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I really don't like achievements. They just feel like another silly set of arbitrary things for people to obsess over instead of actually playing the damn game.
I guess they're not awful if they're stuff like: "Keep your macro energy low", "Win x number of games" or "Don't leave workers idle", but when they start making the player have to deviate from how they would normally play then they get stupid. Like: "Make x of y in z seconds" or, as the OP mentioned stuff like killing units with Yamato Cannons and Infested Terrans, stuff that is not currently used. And even if using infested terrans was a valid play, there's no guarantee that it will be in the future, where these achievements will no doubt still be the same.
Also, how the alert you that you've earned an achievements is just silly. Clogging up your UI in-game is just not a good idea; you can tell the guy who designed XBox Live had his hands on this.
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I like the achievements idea, something to brag about. But therefore the achievements should be hard, since if achievements are make 5 marines in a game anyone can do it. But if it's get 20 kills with yamato or infested terrans it forces you to try new strategies.
Plus a diamond player should be able to get 20 kills with yamato in gold very easy, if you want to get the achievements really easy just drop your placement matches and get it done with if you hate them that much. Just my two cents.
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I never thought the starcraft franchise would jump on the achievement bandwagon with the rest of online games nowadays... kinda sad that now it is considered necessary to have them in games.
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I also like the achievements. It's nice to have little goals as motivation when binging on Starcraft
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Achievements don't harm the game other than having a larger file size, but they don't do anything to improve the game either. None of the achievements are accomplishments at all. You get them automatically from playing. If there are achievements, they should be something like "Won a game in under 5 minutes (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)" or "200 EAPM in a game (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)"
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i would like the option just to not see anythink about achivements in game not even see achivements tab not see ppl get achivements as if they didnt exist to me
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The achievment messages could be less disturbing during gameplay (preferably nonexistant, it sucks when you play an important match and suddenly you or one of your friends unlocked some random achievement...), but other than that I have no issues with them.
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On July 09 2010 05:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
Achievements don't harm the game other than having a larger file size, but they don't do anything to improve the game either. None of the achievements are accomplishments at all. You get them automatically from playing. If there are achievements, they should be something like "Won a game in under 5 minutes (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)" or "200 EAPM in a game (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)"
You have some good points besides unrealistic figures, 200 EAPM is at S class progamer level but besides that, all achievements have to been in custom games so it isn't easy to agree on such things. But they achieve something, they FORCE you to try new builds, and some you might be suprised that are effective. You might improve your skill with using infestors which otherwise you wouldn't use. Youre forced to try out nukes etc etc. It doesn't mean they wont be effective.
And you guys are all sounding like idiots saying achievements are the end of the world. There is no harm in adding them. Since most players here are Plat/Diamond I'm pretty sure the people that want the achievements will get them pretty fast and then there will be the same old standard games again.
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There should be an achievement once you reach a year of playtime within the game. The avatar would be like a no smoking sign except instead of a cigarette there would be a vagina.
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On July 09 2010 05:13 Chairman Ray wrote:
Achievements don't harm the game other than having a larger file size, but they don't do anything to improve the game either. None of the achievements are accomplishments at all. You get them automatically from playing. If there are achievements, they should be something like "Won a game in under 5 minutes (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)" or "200 EAPM in a game (Requirement: 1500 ELO or higher)"
The casual player is not being considered in this scenario
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I think the "Zerglot" achievement is going to be really hard to get with Neural Parasite only lasting 12 seconds...
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do you get anything from the achievements or is it just for shits and giggles?
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Oh boy! I can get an achievement for watching a replay!
I can't wait to get it. I'm going to be a beautiful and unique snowflake.
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If they take the notification offtthe screen mid game no one would notice they were even there if they didn't want to
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They're fun and something to do when you're bored of laddering.
Exactly what achievements should be.
I like them. :D
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the only acheivements I find stupid is the ones that says:
Win X games with this races...
and than you have the acheivement that says....
WIN 1000 games as random, zerg, terran, protoss......
Seriously? how many players will get this acheivement? I mean most of the time you'll take once race and stick with it.... 1000 won games as random?
Not saying it's not doable... just saying it would take QUITE a long time
besides that... I don't think we really care about acheivements... it's a steam/wow thing
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I think achievements are fine.
The people that care about them can work to get them and enjoy them. The people that don't care can just ignore them and it makes no difference.
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On July 09 2010 05:28 Konsume wrote:
Seriously? how many players will get this acheivement? I mean most of the time you'll take once race and stick with it.... 1000 won games as random?
many people stick with random.
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On July 09 2010 05:23 alphafuzard wrote:
do you get anything from the achievements or is it just for shits and giggles?
You get points which have the same value as they do in "Who's Line is it Anyway?". They aren't redeemable for anything, their values are meaningless, and if you're keeping track of the score I pity you.
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On July 09 2010 04:51 QueueQueue wrote:
I think they are good to have for the people that enjoy getting them. For people don't care so much, it doesn't effect them. So it all works out.
It would be cool if it was right.
But i wont like to play silly ladder games just because my opponent is trying to get an awesome useless achievement.
So, Blizzard should stick to A.I/solo achievements, challenge modes achievements and out of game achievements (number of wins, race etc...)
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I keep track. But that's more of a competition thing between me and the people I know LOL
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Just some unnecessary features of the game. If they don't interfere with the game, I don't really care.
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You get achievements so easily now, I got one for canceling a building....another for having ...a high enough APM I guess? (Zerg macro master) ....I just think it is annoying to get them so easily, and they don't really have any purpose in an E-Sports point of view at the moment.
Also, as someone said, they shouldn't come up in game..that is really annoying.
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With Blizzard achievements, you aren't meant to get all of them. In WarCraft III I've seen people only play one specific thing in ladder for achievements, such as 4v4 random for the 1000 wins portrait. Just play whatever race/mode you want, and let the achievement come to you for bragging rights and an awesome portrait (Although the panda marine portrait is so amazing for something so easy to get).
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In my first game of phase 2 I got seven of them. The sheer number of them I saw that game amused me for a brief period. In general? who cares? They don't add much of anything, but they don't make the game worse.
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Just have to disable in game notices and it should be good. I like having some achievements that are hard to get like 1000 wins, but 3 in a row? Work,Work or denied achievements are stupid. I also like to unlock portraits just because its a different look to urself when you load the game. This stuff doesn't affect the game, but it makes it a little different.
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I got the meatgrinder achievement in my second game, thought it was kinda cool. (Destroy 50 supply in 20 seconds (i'm not sure on the exact number))
That's the kind of achievement you want to appear as it happens, cause then you're like "HAH owned."
A lot of the achievements are things that good players are going to be doing anyways. It's a good way to almost teach the game to casual players and tell them what they should be trying. (I'm thinking of the fast expand, warp in x army units in x seconds type achievements here)
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i love them, i think they are motivation for newbs to try and become better players. Finally everyone will know what macro and micro means. As far as the in game pop ups go. Thats something that i could do without, they are pretty annoying.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Tell me how to stop it from opening in the middle of the screen and I'll be happy.
I have turned off toast notifications but it still comes. Fucking annoying.
On the plus side, it did keep TLO from seeing a turret I was building in his base so I guess yay achievments!
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I wish they gave you achievements AFTER the game. The pop-ups are so anoying.
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On July 09 2010 06:03 Lysdexia wrote:
I wish they gave you achievements AFTER the game. The pop-ups are so anoying.
Apparently it tells all of your friends about it too when it happens
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On July 09 2010 04:49 floor exercise wrote:
It's annoying getting them in the middle of a game, that's my only opinion on achievements
Yea I feel the same way. I wish we can somehow turn off those notifications or at least show all the achievements you unlocked on the score screen or something. I'm sure if enough people complained about it Blizzard would add an option to remove the notifications.
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On July 09 2010 04:48 whoopadeedoo wrote:
I wish I could turn off achievements. I couldn't give a rat's ass about points and icons. The midgame pop-up notices just annoy me.
Agreed.
Some achievements might be fun (specially for its name) but IMHO is more of a "OMG I am good at this game" bonus for some new players, but since I'm old aged and bitter I give a damn if I have an icon saying "you killed a nexus while it was being warped", is way more enjoyable to win a little well played battle without any notification than having stupid pop-ups freaking me out.
In wow (also full of stupid achievements) I only enjoyed the hard achievements to get (like some of the pvp ones, or the ones bound to raid hardmodes). Not that I think it was important but it was fun to kill 20 players in a bg without being killed 
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I think the achievments are excessive and pretty pointless, but it's not like they bother me. I don't see why they should piss anyone off or anything.
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Imagine you are at wcg finals 2011 for SC2 and you have to use a different account for that tourney and at the final win/lose battle you get all those achievement pop ups -.-
That is just unacceptable imo..
But knowing blizzard i am sure they will keep that in mind.
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Damn, people complaining achievements are too hard now? What the heck. Aren't achievements supposed to be hard? So you feel like you accomplished something? I don't really care about achievements but asking for it to be easier seems so dumb.
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On July 09 2010 06:42 Clow wrote:
Damn, people complaining achievements are too hard now? What the heck. Aren't achievements supposed to be hard? So you feel like you accomplished something? I don't really care about achievements but asking for it to be easier seems so dumb.
Nah man, achievements are supposed to be for GIANT things, like, turning the program on, or selecting your first match on a bnet server.
Achievements have just become something for people too lazy to try to get to make them feel good. Damn communists
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I like the achievements, I'm glad I have something to work towards as far as icons go.
The GAME is looking good.
BNet2.0 still sucks.
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I don't really care. They are their but I play normally and sometime, you see a reward
It's just like in CS:S, they just added achievement but I could care less of them, I just play my normal game.
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Lol i cant even call some of them achievements, but id rather have them pop up after the game, its a bit distracting to have it come out when ur mid game macroing/microing.
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On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements?
This.
It's pretty obvious achievements were implemented to attract casual gamers.
The real "achievements" aren't "Congratulations. You won 25 games.".
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I like them lol. Haters gonna hate.
whats wrong with them patting you on the back for doing something cool?
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Hopefully they'll make it, so you can disable them while playing.
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some of them are going to take forever to get, i mean.. just look at the win 800 free for all games?! O_O;;
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Personally i think achievements are kool, but also i think most shiny things are. However, its a nice way to bring in noobies into the game. I watched my friend play the game today, because i was over his house and we took turns playing on our own account, and he got so excited when he got like i think it was a "Denied" achievement. He loved it thought it was all awesome. He is fairly new to the game, but i think things like achievements reward noobies for playing a lot, and then they get good because they were playing a lot so im all up for them!!!!
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I don't believe that statements like "Achievements are only for casuals." are true at all. I guarantee you Blizzard will implement achievements catering to every tier of gamer, from the super casual to super hardcore. Therefore, obviously, there will be achievements that are "gimmes" and some that will be extremely difficult to complete.
I would like an option to minimize the disruptiveness of the achievement ding though!
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I don't like games having multiplayer achivements, on the other side i LOVE singleplayer achivements. In multiplayer i get carried away hunting down achivements rather than just playing my best.
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They're kind of interesting if you ask me. That said, the fact that they pop up mid-game is distracting and in the way. I'd rather they popped up after the match was over.
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4000 wins for one of these....some1 is gonna get it in the week we have
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On July 09 2010 04:46 caseeker wrote:I think it sucks First, there are too many achievements against AI People expected to get different achievement from "players level" not the "AI level" Repeating all the same achievement with different AI level doesn't sound fun to me. Second, some of the achievement, like 20 kills with yamato cannon, 30 kills with infested terran, cannot happen when the same level players play "normally" To make it happen, one of the player must be ridiculously bad or good. or both players agree to give each other achievements... I would say they should count those achievements over all games, not one game. woo sorry about my awful english there, so what I'm trying to say is, instead of making it "20 yamato kills in 1 game", make it "50 yamato kills with your account." you get it?? so whenever you shoot the yamato cannon, it records on your account and you get the achievement when you shoot 50 of them that is more realistic and more like "achievement" Third, why all the achievements are 10 points or 20 points????? give 30, or 50 points for more difficult one!!!!!!! what you guys think?? :p
Yes I agree, especially about the A.I. ones. Do they honestly want casual players to play 250 games of medium, hard, etc. lmao It's absolutely ridiculous and it's at every level except for easy. I tested all difficulties and I must say the insane A.I. is even ridiculously easy. :/
Lots of these achievements aren't even for casuals. Most of them are actually hardcore. Easy to do, just takes a ridiculous amount of time especially if you have to randomly get a matchup between ZZ, PP, PZ, TZ, TT, TP, etc. you get the idea.
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Achievements are to console lesser / younger players... (IMO).
They are pretty fun though, I sniped a guy's medivac holding a thor and got an achievement. I felt very proud :D
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People must have low concentration level if a 200 pixel wide 60 pixel tall box distracts you. I barely notice the box is there, and there's no way I could be distracted by it.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 09 2010 10:03 SichuanPanda wrote:
People must have low concentration level if a 200 pixel wide 60 pixel tall box distracts you. I barely notice the box is there, and there's no way I could be distracted by it.
Lol, you realize it BLOCKS part of the screen right?
I literally had a game today against TLO in which he got the achievment pop-up and could not target my building turret in his base - infact, he didn't even see it.
The popup is fucking huge, and extremely annoying. There is NO reason I should not be able to turn it off, and there is no reason to defend there not being an option to do so.
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On July 09 2010 10:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 10:03 SichuanPanda wrote:
People must have low concentration level if a 200 pixel wide 60 pixel tall box distracts you. I barely notice the box is there, and there's no way I could be distracted by it. Lol, you realize it BLOCKS part of the screen right? I literally had a game today against TLO in which he got the achievment pop-up and could not target my building turret in his base - infact, he didn't even see it. The popup is fucking huge, and extremely annoying. There is NO reason I should not be able to turn it off, and there is no reason to defend there not being an option to do so.
I'm not defending it, simply stating its not that annoying in my opinion, I simply move my screen if I can't click behind it. By all means there should be a way to disable the notifications, but I bet we'll see 2-3 more patches after launch before that happens.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Ah, I'm sorry then - I jumped to conclusions since there's been so many people defending the real ID switch 
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Achievement Unlocked: Stop Drop & LOL
Achievement Unlocked: Connect to the internet
Achievement Unlocked: Drop An Ally
Achievement Unlocked: Force Opponent to Rage
etc...
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I love the achievements. While there are probably too many AI achieves, it will at least occupy some free time when I don't feel like doing league games. And collecting achievement points are a pretty good psychological tactic to get the average user to continue, hehe. Now, I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to do the 1v3 AI, since it doesn't give you that option in 4 player maps...
I do think that blizzard should handle achievements popups better. There are so many different alternatives for showing achievements:
--popups at the end of a match
--miniature version of the popup banner in the corner of the screen
--option to disable popup notification (I didn't explore the game options menu, so if it's already there, then whatever)
Anyways, for no reason should a popup occur on-screen during a match, even if it's not all that bothersome. It is absolutely unacceptable.
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On July 09 2010 10:10 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Ah, I'm sorry then - I jumped to conclusions since there's been so many people defending the real ID switch
Heh its okay, I've gotten more than a little enraged at people on here the past few days when they keep saying something to the regard of 'its not that big a deal that people know your real name'. Yea sure, realistically no one can really steal my identity by knowing my real name, but that's not the reason is it.
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On July 09 2010 04:48 whoopadeedoo wrote:
I wish I could turn off achievements. I couldn't give a rat's ass about points and icons. The midgame pop-up notices just annoy me.
QFT.
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so many cool acheivements! It's so much better now! plus new player icons, like A ZERG REAVER :O and the icons are harder to get, too!
On July 09 2010 10:11 shalamadoooo wrote:
Achievement Unlocked: Stop Drop & LOL
Achievement Unlocked: Connect to the internet
Achievement Unlocked: Drop An Ally
Achievement Unlocked: Force Opponent to Rage
etc...
acheivement unlocked: get BM'd
acheivement unlocked: mess with speaker while game is starting, then fall off chair after realizing it started
acheivement unlocked: lose a game due to a glitch
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On July 09 2010 04:55 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 04:49 floor exercise wrote:
It's annoying getting them in the middle of a game, that's my only opinion on achievements yup, i don't get why they think it's a good idea to have a huge message show up in the middle of the screen
this
I really don't care too much though because it's really just for the first game or two.
I got the early zerglings, 21 morphing, centennial queen and a couple other in my first game, then the things stopped showing up.
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On the achievements and the system intrusion:
- Some of them require you to play poorly, or to modify your strategy to obtain them in a simple fashion. (Kill 30 units with Yamoto cannon in a single game?.... Okay FFA I suppose.)
- Some of them will take you a year to get to actually obtain it in a competitive atmosphere, if you don't cheese them in a game. (See Yamoto cannon spam achievement.)
- The window in the game is unnecessary. Why can't it tell you when the game is done that you have an achievement unlocked? (I was going to totally micro my window, but the game just told me I built 9 units at once and now I can't see shit.)
- A cool idea would to have the unlock for the offensive achievements show up in chat, but you would have to toggle which ones could show up and when, and which ones shouldn't. (The build x units within the first 250 seconds is not something I want broadcast in my game.)
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oh noes SC2 isn't RPG enough! any ideas
I GOT IT GUISE
LETS ADD A GRIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD
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On July 09 2010 09:53 synapse wrote:
Achievements are to console lesser / younger players... (IMO).
They are pretty fun though, I sniped a guy's medivac holding a thor and got an achievement. I felt very proud :D
I loled when I got that too
Hopefully they'll give us a way of disabling the pop-ups shortly.
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Achievements just make me mad...this is starcraft, not Halo. Go back to the console, achievement lovers.
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On July 09 2010 10:23 shammythefox wrote:
oh noes SC2 isn't RPG enough! any ideas
I GOT IT GUISE
LETS ADD A GRIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD
Ha, this made me chuckle.
The achievements look pretty good and I actually like collecting them. This said I won't be modifying my play style to seek them - unless im in a late game 4v4/FFA and think hey I have X BC's lets get a few more and try and grab the Y achievement.
I also like the idea of a mid-game popup for offensive plays though it surely can be done in a better way than covering a central portion of the screen. When I think of these outstanding issues it really makes me wonder what they playtest internally...
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Oh noes something some else enjoys, I must rail against it!
I like achievements, they are funny and rewarding. But if you want pop-ups to be disablable, that might happen if you complain enough. I mean if you want this game to be totally SRS BZNESS GUISE.
But in all seriousness I do like them, and if it gets more players into the ladder system and playing SCII longer I'm all for it.
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the queen portrait and queen of blades portrait look cool, also some of the all races ones, thats all i really want, i dont care about building a hatchery within the first 255 seconds or whatever the other achievements are
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On July 09 2010 10:35 sikyon wrote:
Oh noes something some else enjoys, I must rail against it!
I like achievements, they are funny and rewarding. But if you want pop-ups to be disablable, that might happen if you complain enough. I mean if you want this game to be totally SRS BZNESS GUISE.
But in all seriousness I do like them, and if it gets more players into the ladder system and playing SCII longer I'm all for it.
It doesn't have to go...it just needs to have some changes. You must admit, it can be intrusive in a high level game, and while they are cute, it doesn't feel like a starcraft thing, it feels like a console. But that makes sense, as Bnet 2.0 was made by the guy who made Xbox live...
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I like those achievements. I'm all for cool stuff going on and not all that much about winning many other people here seem to be, as winning is not needed at all to have fun. Ofc you start trying to win, but if you notice a game is lost anyway no harm is done if you try and sqeeze in some battle cruisers to yamato stuff or w/e. Sounds fun to me and thats why those achievements are fine. Blizzard will be smart enough allowing users to achieve most of the stuff in whatever league people want, so you dont have to be totally awesome to pull that stuff off. Its just about having a good time and thats what gaming is all about unless you want to earn money playing.
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Assuming you play 8 hours a day, average 15 minutes on your games (game time + interface time + other stuff), and have a 50% win rate... it'll take you 2 months to unlock one of the 1000 wins portraits.
... perhaps the Kerrigan portrait could be unlocked faster by constantly 6-pooling?
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No one should be able to disable achievements completely since it devalues achievements in some way and destroys the whole idea of achievements beeing a motivation and somewhat counterpart to the blunt massgamer. However,I think we must have an option to disable the pop-ups or just show the new achievements after the game which makes it kinda final fantasy-ish (after fight: Exp-bars rising, objects popping up) only without the awesome midisound. Then again, every achievement will annoy you only once...
I have to defend achievements themselves in every way possible. It is the best way to lure casuals into the multiplayer, to teach them a certain "skill" of the game, or to just let them concentrate on an individual part i.e. using storm or macroing queens. In addition, the portraits look freaking awesome so if you are one of the more prestige-centered battle.net users and like to swing your epeen around the upcoming chatchannels, portraits are another motivation to play the game. I want the community to grow as fast as possible so I can't understand people who rage against achievements.
The popups may be annoying but at the current stage of the game and it's players i argue that they are gamechangingly annoying.
Personally I like that they are popping up directly but I would also be annoyed if they did in a tournament when theres actually something at stake. So either give us "ingame popupdisable" or a simple achievementlist after the game.
Poll: I want...to disable achievements during games. (28) 39% an achievement summary after games. (27) 38% achievements to stay as they are! (10) 14% achievements to disappear completely! (6) 8% 71 total votes Your vote: I want... (Vote): achievements to stay as they are!
(Vote): to disable achievements during games.
(Vote): an achievement summary after games.
(Vote): achievements to disappear completely!
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achievements mean nothing really.. i mean i understand if the game was a first person shooter and you get like 15 kills in a row. but in rts means little.
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Some achievements are pretty ridiculous.
Win 1000 games with each race (worth 20 points). What is this I don't even.
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The point values are probably just placeholders at the moment, it IS still in beta, lest we forget, and there are certainly going to be changes. That said, I acknowledge that achievements are enticing for less serious players (the new key demographic for activision-blizzard apparently) but they have no place in real play. If they want to put them in after the game, by all means make something else that most will ignore, but don't screw up gameplay with huge glowing banners.
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I don't care much about achievements. They are just for fun. Depending on mood I could spend some time on chasing achievements. Just another tease in the game, that's all. I think it's generally not such a bad idea to have them for the casual players, but I'm indifferent and wouldn't mind if there were no achievements in the game. On the poll above I voted that it's better to have an option to disable achievement announcements during games. That thing could be annoying and confusing.
By the way, here's a list of all the achievement icons, in case someone is interested:
+ Show Spoiler +
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I got 7 achievements in my first game. Way too damn many, but whatever.
Unfortunately, we should expect to see retarded people doing retarded shit in-game to get achievements. I can't wait for my random 2v2 partner to mass infestors and spend the entire game trying to steal a friggin' probe.
It'll happen, eventually.
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I like some of the achievements, especially the ones referring to other games. For example, "Would you kindly" -Bioshock
Some of the achievements are ridiculously far-fetched to accomplish, but hell that's what achievements are for. Only complaint from me is that some of the portraits are hard to get, especially with less than 2 weeks of beta. However, I suppose it makes it worthwhile to earn them. Also don't like the pop-up that gets in your way when you get an achievement.
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Really annoying when a bigass popup comes and it doesn't go away. :/
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I don't mind achievements and all that, but I really wish they wouldn't pop up during a game or over my score screen. If it were available, I probably would enjoy being able to turn them off all together.
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haha achievements are fun, i dont care too much about them but its a good thing ^^
oh and the boxes during the game are really small, i didnt even notice the first ones xD
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I like the achievements. Personally, I want to improve my game, so I don't even care about them, but they're good for casuals and people who are just really bored. It doesn't affect anything, so why would anyone want them removed. It is just adding some extra stuff to the game, nothing important. If anything, it will just make some games easier where people won't use a normal build just to get an achievement, and put themselves in an uncomfortable position.
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is it because wow has achievements that there's such a negative stigma around them? i really don't understand all the hate behind them. the icons look cool, the names sound funny, and they give you something to do other than burning out playing competitively 24/7. it adds to the longevity of the game and rewards you for screwing around, what's the harm?
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On July 09 2010 10:06 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 10:03 SichuanPanda wrote:
People must have low concentration level if a 200 pixel wide 60 pixel tall box distracts you. I barely notice the box is there, and there's no way I could be distracted by it. Lol, you realize it BLOCKS part of the screen right? I literally had a game today against TLO in which he got the achievment pop-up and could not target my building turret in his base - infact, he didn't even see it. The popup is fucking huge, and extremely annoying. There is NO reason I should not be able to turn it off, and there is no reason to defend there not being an option to do so.
Having actually just seen one popup mid-game on a stream (bah no beta in EU) I have to agree with SichuanPanda. I wouldn't get distracted by it one bit and I very much doubt I would miss a building in my base because of it. I mean its only there for 1-2 seconds max?
Though if you were flipping from base to base, etc maybe.
Either way you should be able to turn them off of course.
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On July 09 2010 11:32 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Poll: I want...to disable achievements during games. (28) 39% an achievement summary after games. (27) 38% achievements to stay as they are! (10) 14% achievements to disappear completely! (6) 8% 71 total votes Your vote: I want... (Vote): achievements to stay as they are!
(Vote): to disable achievements during games.
(Vote): an achievement summary after games.
(Vote): achievements to disappear completely!
The poll doesn't really make sense. I want option 2 and 3 - they are not mutually exclusive choices.
Ideal situation would be options to block all types of toasts in-game and a post match achievement summary - just add another tab to the post match stats or display them modal style like the current non-combat achievements.
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It's good to see that Blizzard are so devoted in releasing a "stable" version of the game and don't bother with the not so important features like chatrooms, clans, a working custom games system, achievements... Oh, wait.
It would be awesome if we could at least disable them but Activision would rather not release the game at all.
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I love them ^^ Hopefully there will be even more.
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On July 09 2010 12:41 Malgrif wrote:it adds to the longevity of the game and rewards you for screwing around, what's the harm?
This is the harm. You have to play around idiots who are screwing off just to get achievements.
I imagine the problem will be lessened in StarCraft as opposed to some other games, but it will still be annoying to have people doing stupid BS just for an achievement.
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Hm, there is an option to disable "toasts". Perhaps this is what a lot of you are looking for?
On July 09 2010 12:41 Malgrif wrote:it adds to the longevity of the game and rewards you for screwing around, what's the harm?
The harm is that developers' time is wasted on ways to trick you into playing the game more instead of just making it better (yes, I really want chat rooms). If they introduce the achievements after several years then perhaps I would have said that it's a good idea but for now it is not. It is just a cheap trick that shouldn't really be a part of something as awesome as StarCraft.
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I really think you guys are overreacting. If achievements aren't for you then don't worry about them. I just can't really see an achievement popping up in the middle of a game as such a major annoyance. It's a minor distraction if anything at all. I'm more than willing to admit that I am not near the level where an achievement popping up on the screen for a few seconds is going to affect my game.
I do agree very much with the last comment though. I'm sure we've all seen it happen in other games where there are random people ruining the game for others in an attempt to get achievements. Instead of just playing the game to win.
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Aren't the achievements for the casual gamers to enjoy?
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LFM 3v3 fastest must have 1k achievement points!!
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i think there ok but to easy to get on comp. but i love anything that give me point like on xbox live i played just for my gmerscore.
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Some of them are fun...I don't think it's too hard to get more than half...
Right now, I already have more points than I had all phase 1 (duh, there are more achievements)
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I actually really really like the achievements. I'm 100% sure that at one point, I'l be just so bored from playing 1v1 all day, and setting these achievements for fun would be a great way to get a break from 1v1's
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Just give me all the icons. Why the hell do I need 1k wins as random in 2v2 (strong dislike for 2v2) for hybrid reaver.
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some of these better be hella hard, if im gunna be playing SC2 as long as i played BW well... yeah they need things that take 10 years of playing to complete =P
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im having a rough time wrapping my head around 1000 wins.... i was originally going to play random to get all the win achievements, then each race, then choose which i want to stick with...
but i dont think that will pan out too well with 1000 wins :O
i love achievements though :D
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lol @ getting 30 kills with infested terran in one game.
gl with that.
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When they give portrait for free, everyone will have Tassadar and Nova, thats not fun.
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I like that many of the achievements are long-term (1000 wins).
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some of the achievements are really good and help promote better micro (example: you get an achievement for using medivac to pick up a unit that's being attacked, and another achievement is obtained when you cancel a nexus/CC/hatch while it's under attack).
But some of the achievements are bad, will be hard to get if you quickly reach a high rank, or are downright silly (1000 wins against AI? WHAT).
Some are hits, some are misses.
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seems like this thread has a bunch of qq in it
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On July 09 2010 13:18 Kanil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 12:41 Malgrif wrote:it adds to the longevity of the game and rewards you for screwing around, what's the harm? This is the harm. You have to play around idiots who are screwing off just to get achievements. I imagine the problem will be lessened in StarCraft as opposed to some other games, but it will still be annoying to have people doing stupid BS just for an achievement. uh... i don't see how trying to gain achievements makes someone an idiot... that's pretty uncalled for. and if you havn't tried it yet, it's actually quite fun, and a nice break from playing the game seriously.
PS. trying to gain achievements doesn't make you a bad player, just wanted to clear that out of the way. =)
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theyre simply there to add a little more fun and something different to sc1.. its sc2 blizz are bound to put new things even if some ppl dont like it, THERE ARE SOME THAT DO - the ones that like it will appreciate it from blizzard and the ones that dont will learn to ignore it and get the fuk over it after time..
but yes, it is annoying - there should be an option to disable IN GAME NOTIFICATIONS FOR NEW ACHIEVEMENTS, and rather it would show after you quit the game (maybe in a new tab or something listing new achievements)
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Yeah, we get that a lot of people "couldn't care less" about achievements. You don't need to write it out to let the world know that you're too cool to care about them. The OP obviously cares about achievements and wanted some sort of productive dialogue to come up with ways that they could potentially be improved.
I don't understand what the big deal against achievements are. If you don't care about them, that's completely fine. Just ignore them. Why would you want to take away a feature that someone else might enjoy? Particularly if it's something that doesn't affect you either way... It's not like they're going to be popping up in the middle of your screen every single game or something either.
It seems to me that a lot of the achievement are actually a bit strange and many of them would never occur in a normal game. These kinds of achievements really bother me as I feel that you shouldn't have to rig a game for the specific purpose of getting those achievements. I feel that achievements, if they are implemented, should always be things that could practically be done in a perfectly normal game and certainly more points should be given as the difficulty goes up. Achievements against the AI seems pretty lame and a waste of time for the most part. I do hope they could add some achievements that might be more meaningful to the competitive gaming community, despite the fact that so many of them are against it.
I certainly think achievements for win streaks in ladder matches (random matchmaking) is a great idea and it could help encourage people to improve their play and strive harder to do better. These achievements certainly would be much harder to rig since you can't decide on your opponent beforehand. They could also add some achievements for attaining and maintaining certain ELO ratings in randomly matched games.
I am personally of the belief that achievements can certainly be a fun and meaningful addition to the game when implemented correctly. Obviously when you have achievements that require you to play in a certain way just to get them, it makes them much less relevant, but so long as you create achievements that are organic in that one will naturally achieve them one by one while playing normally and improving their play, it can become a great way to encourage people and reward them in a small way for their dedication and effort. That having been said, I do believe we need more achievements of this variety, that will enhance the competitive community.
And yes, Achievement notifications should show up AFTER a game when you're in the lobby or something...
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On July 09 2010 07:05 ffz wrote:
I like them lol. Haters gonna hate.
whats wrong with them patting you on the back for doing something cool?
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On July 09 2010 13:27 xtfftc wrote:Hm, there is an option to disable "toasts". Perhaps this is what a lot of you are looking for? Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 12:41 Malgrif wrote:it adds to the longevity of the game and rewards you for screwing around, what's the harm? The harm is that developers' time is wasted on ways to trick you into playing the game more instead of just making it better (yes, I really want chat rooms). If they introduce the achievements after several years then perhaps I would have said that it's a good idea but for now it is not. It is just a cheap trick that shouldn't really be a part of something as awesome as StarCraft. again, with the achievement stigma that it's some kind of trick and defiles the game. why is this lol, it's like you guys are the fun police or something.
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On July 09 2010 04:48 caseeker wrote:I do.
See how easy it is to influence kids these days.
Put a colorful badge saying good job and they will be thinking about it the entire week.
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On July 09 2010 15:14 virgozero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 04:48 caseeker wrote:On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements? I do. See how easy it is to influence kids these days. Put a colorful badge saying good job and they will be thinking about it the entire week.
Hasn't that been the case for most of humanity for most of history?
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Any other Protoss players get a chuckle out of getting the "Counter-Proof" achievement while probe harassing a Terran?
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On July 09 2010 15:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Any other Protoss players get a chuckle out of getting the "Counter-Proof" achievement while probe harassing a Terran?
this totally proves imba!
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i totally dont care about achievements
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On July 09 2010 15:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Any other Protoss players get a chuckle out of getting the "Counter-Proof" achievement while probe harassing a Terran?
I got a chuckle from getting counter-proof by DT rushing. I got a win too.
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who cares what you're portrait is if you played 1000 custom games against a friend who was afk? it has nothing to do with skill, or anything else..just seems like fluff to put us off about the real problems (cough cough chatrooms, LAN, cross regional support cough cough)
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On July 09 2010 15:56 silencesc wrote:
who cares what you're portrait is if you played 1000 custom games against a friend who was afk? it has nothing to do with skill, or anything else..just seems like fluff to put us off about the real problems (cough cough chatrooms, LAN, cross regional support cough cough)
if the match-making service puts you up against your friend 1000 times in a row like would have to happen to get that portrait and achievement then you'd be lucky not skillful i agree.
also they are a step closer to LAN by adding the verification to the map editor.
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Yeah, some of them are completely unrealistic. I don't really care about achievements though. If I get one it's like "oh cool." But that's it. You might have some crazy completionists that absolutely MUST do them all.
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Bnet invented achievments. They're called ranks.
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i haven't read the whole topic, but you guys do know you can turn off the pop ups right? I don't know where the option is exactly but it has to do with toast, lol.
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On July 09 2010 18:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
i haven't read the whole topic, but you guys do know you can turn off the pop ups right? I don't know where the option is exactly but it has to do with toast, lol.
lol. In the options, under bnet. There is a slider for Toast duration, and although i havne't tested it, I have a feeling it controls the time that "Friend has appeared online" messages appear for and not achievement bubbles.
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Anyone notice the AI got a lot harder today on insane and very hard? LOL
Finally AI that provides some sort of challenge. Was owning it up the other day and now me and my friend are getting consecutive losses to the AI and we're plat/diamond players lol.
You guys should try it out now on co-op if you haven't given it ago!
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On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements?
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If you get an achievement against any AI, you get all the achievements for all the lower difficulties too. So, you only have to complete them once against insane!
In case someone hasn't mentioned this yet...
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On July 09 2010 18:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
i haven't read the whole topic, but you guys do know you can turn off the pop ups right? I don't know where the option is exactly but it has to do with toast, lol.
it doesn't work with achievements. don't post if you don't know.
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seriously midgame "achievement" ping screwing up my game. fuck that shit i couldn't care less.
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I think the achievements are pretty fun to get.
It doesn't take away from the game, so whats the harm?
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many of them are silly as hell. But it will create a bunch of people working to get them and so on.
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On July 10 2010 22:39 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 18:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
i haven't read the whole topic, but you guys do know you can turn off the pop ups right? I don't know where the option is exactly but it has to do with toast, lol. it doesn't work with achievements. don't post if you don't know.
I actually don't have the achievement thing popping up in the middle of the screen when I get them. Not sure what I did, though.
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I thought some of them were ridiculously hard, but I'm not really focusing on achievements anyway.
Obviously, there is going to be a group of people who are going to race to see who can be the first to obtain all of the achievements... and since it appeals to some people, I think it's not a terrible thing to have. I don't care as much, so I'm not going to complain about the concept per se.
If I'm going to keep getting these arbitrary achievements though (Oh cool my opponents left within 30 seconds = I got the "no idle workers for more than x seconds" achievement), I'm just hoping I get notified AFTER the game ends, not during. If we could turn them off or something, that would be cool too. The only achievements I really care about are the different profiles I've unlocked
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whats so bad about them? if u dont want them dont do them (except the ones u get w/out doing anything^^)
and the achievements thing in game is not that bad its only there for second and doesn't block anything
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i like the one where you have to hold a xel naga watch tower for 5 minutes straight. i have them almost all game every game
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On July 09 2010 18:25 blagoonga123 wrote:
i haven't read the whole topic, but you guys do know you can turn off the pop ups right? I don't know where the option is exactly but it has to do with toast, lol.
Toasts are the pop-ups you get in-game.
It's a programming term; I've used Toasts in Android, and they function the same way (temporary, on-screen pop-up).
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On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements?
Well obviously some people do...there kinda fun when your bored and give you something else to do. I bet they will put some thing in the options to not notify you when you get a achievement in game so its not going to that big of a nuisance.
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On July 09 2010 06:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Tell me how to stop it from opening in the middle of the screen and I'll be happy.
I have turned off toast notifications but it still comes. Fucking annoying.
On the plus side, it did keep TLO from seeing a turret I was building in his base so I guess yay achievments!
Did you try keeping the notification turned ON but setting the duration to ZERO seconds?
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On July 09 2010 04:46 caseeker wrote:I think it sucks First, there are too many achievements against AI People expected to get different achievement from "players level" not the "AI level" Repeating all the same achievement with different AI level doesn't sound fun to me. Second, some of the achievement, like 20 kills with yamato cannon, 30 kills with infested terran, cannot happen when the same level players play "normally" To make it happen, one of the player must be ridiculously bad or good. or both players agree to give each other achievements... I would say they should count those achievements over all games, not one game. woo sorry about my awful english there, so what I'm trying to say is, instead of making it "20 yamato kills in 1 game", make it "50 yamato kills with your account." you get it?? so whenever you shoot the yamato cannon, it records on your account and you get the achievement when you shoot 50 of them that is more realistic and more like "achievement" Third, why all the achievements are 10 points or 20 points????? give 30, or 50 points for more difficult one!!!!!!! what you guys think?? :p
The in-game pop-up should be turned off, but how can it be a bad thing? They're fun things to go for, and if you can turn that pop-up off (something I expect to be implemented), it doesn't harm you in any way.
Also, I got the 20 Yamato kills and 30 Infested Terran kills in team league games. Not impossible.
Oh, and I definitely disagree about the "50 Yamato kills over your account" being more of an achievement. 20 in one game is actually fairly hard to do in a league game.
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You can get the kill achievements in co-op as well.
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If there is a way to stop them from popping up there is absolutely nothing to complain about. Just ignore them if you don't care. I like having little goals and having to do stuff that isn't considered normal is fun. Just because its starcraft doesn't mean it has to durr durr practice my apm progamer dur.
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i think it's alright
make it so we can't see the achieve in game but get it after the game and il'l be more happy
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I like achievements just because it's really hard for me to just straight practice games and sometimes I need a break to just kinda mess around. Achievements allow me to do this. It provides a nice change of pace to keep the game interesting.
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Achievements make you feel like you've DONE something, and, imo, they aren't useless, and like others have said, it's an excuse to waste your time at the computer, slowly, slowly..... draining....... your..........life..............away.
anyway.
some may not like achievements, but i do, if you've got nothing better to do you can sit at the computer trying to get the hardest ones, like, the i see dead units(kill five cloaked or burrowed units (1 game), and work, work!(<30 sec idle harvester time and win) and the master blaster (yamato 20 kills, one game) all these are fun and it's interesting to check others profile and be able to say, oh, look, he likes to use his harvesters a lot, or, my oh my, he loves yamato. especially if you know that they don't pall around trying to get them all. as of so far into the beta, i have achievements on the back of my mind, but the ultimate goal is to WIN, and that is how blizz probably intended it to be.
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On July 09 2010 15:19 Mohdoo wrote:
Any other Protoss players get a chuckle out of getting the "Counter-Proof" achievement while probe harassing a Terran?
Me!
Also, getting the one finger discount is super easy. If proxy anything fails, your guaranteed to get it.
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On July 11 2010 13:07 Powerstrike wrote:Anyway can some1 give me a hint on how to complete the Neighborly Help ?? I tried healing with medivacs - didnt work, I tried healing with queens - didn't work??
Are you sure you healed enough hit points? I got the achievement purely by accident so I'm not entirely sure I remember, but I think just Medivacs will do the trick.
I kind of wish there were intermediate achievements for wins with each race icon other than the 1000 win icons, like 100 or so. I also wish there were more icons for the goofy achievements like Combat and Economy. But overall I'm pretty satisfied with the system.
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lol you got almost all those achievements in a few days, they should make them harder... lets say: kill 50 units with yamato gun in one game
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getting neighborly help was an accident for me.. but i think you are GUARANTEED to get it by making an mmm ball, then pushong out.
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On July 10 2010 22:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Obviously, there is going to be a group of people who are going to race to see who can be the first to obtain all of the achievements... and since it appeals to some people, I think it's not a terrible thing to have. I don't care as much, so I'm not going to complain about the concept per se.
It's going to take a looooong time to get all the achievements. Some of them just take a ridiculous amount of time to do, for example, the Solo Zen Master achievement requires you to get 4000 league wins....that's a lot of games.
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I like them. There is only 1 reason to dislike them (AND ONLY ONE REASON). It is that when you get the achievement, it's blocks your view...
That is all
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I must admit when I saw 20 points being offered for getting 1000 wins with each race in 1v1 I laughed pretty hard. I think there should be a clever t-shirt sent to you by Blizzard for that achievement.
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just put it to the back of ur mind
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Pop-up mid-game is annoying.
'Chieves themselves are nice. Plenty of stuff in there for newer players, who will need a bit of creative help, and a push in the direction of how the game's meant to be played. There's also some long term stuff, and some nice challenges for better players. Basically, this is the way achievements were meant to be done.
Also, there's two TF2 references.
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The way I see it, I feel the view from the game designer's standpoint is that it simply doesn't hurt to add them. The general gamer likes to feel he or she is making some progress and to also have some direction when things get a little stale. Most of the achievements are achieved as you play the game normally, and getting some form of a "reward" is well - rewarding and fun (and obviously the amount of personal reward and fun differs between gamers). It's an explicit way to say you're progressing forward. For me, I'm certainly all for these achievements and find them fun to get as I naturally play the game.
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Every1 will get that one eventually, I mean noone said you should do 1000 games as each race for 3 days, you can play a month or 3 ... and you'll have it.. anyway SC2 is going to be online for quite alot... years.
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On July 11 2010 13:04 Day[10] wrote:
Achievements make you feel like you've DONE something, and, imo, they aren't useless, and like others have said, it's an excuse to waste your time at the computer, slowly, slowly..... draining....... your..........life..............away.
anyway.
Exactly ... they only make you feel like you did something notheworthy, but in reality you didnt. So giving out tons of achievements will make kiddies go hunt for them and waste their time while trying their best, because many of them are either ridiculously stupid or achievable only through ridiculous setups which wont improve your ladder play. Now ladder play isnt the most important thing about this game, but beating up an AI will only improve your skills to a basic competitive level, because the AI isnt creative and always does the same.
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Can I get achievements for my achievements please?
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If you think the achievement pane is annoying. Wait till you get "X is slowing down the game" or other such notifications that used to be off to the side and fade on its own. I thought it would fade off but I had to click the x to close it.
On July 09 2010 11:37 prototype. wrote:
Some achievements are pretty ridiculous.
Win 1000 games with each race (worth 20 points). What is this I don't even.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous that anyone serious about this game will eventually earn that without trying. RINDONKULUS!!!!
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On July 11 2010 14:50 Ownos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 11:37 prototype. wrote:
Some achievements are pretty ridiculous.
Win 1000 games with each race (worth 20 points). What is this I don't even. Yeah, pretty ridiculous that anyone serious about this game will eventually earn that without trying. RINDONKULUS!!!!
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It's doubtful that anyone "serious" about the game will win 3000 1v1s with their offraces without trying.
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played some 2v2 with a friend yesterday first against ai and then normal just to show him the game a little more. So I didn't rly had anything to do in the coop games so I just build up armies and let him play -> I got so many achievements^^
later in a normal 2v2 we had an epic 1h game we almost lost more than once but in the end won me as toss getting HT one of the enemies was Zerg who massed Hydras and lings at some point so I stormed the shit out of them^^ -> Meatgrinder! I think thats pretty cool stuff like that this way I'll always remember this game :D + the replay of course
On July 11 2010 14:50 Ownos wrote:
If you think the achievement pane is annoying. Wait till you get "X is slowing down the game" or other such notifications that used to be off to the side and fade on its own. I thought it would fade off but I had to click the x to close it.
they do fade on their own
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I really like them, adds some flavour and fun. Encourages people to try new things as well. ^^
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On July 11 2010 14:39 andeh wrote:
Can I get achievements for my achievements please?
there are. you get an achievement for getting all the achievements of a single category
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Just throwing it out there, I am a TERRAN MACRO MONSTER. Sadly I don't give a fuck.
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i dont like achievements, they should be toggle on or off (able).
edit: achievements are for wow..
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I don't get the achievement 'popups' in game, so I don't know if that's a bug or if I've somehow fluked a way to turn that off.
In general though I don't mind achievements. If they don't interest you, ignore them. As long as you can turn off the in-game notifications (as somehow I have), then I don't think there's much to complain about.
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achi sux... it is priceless when during fight nice two pop up windows show up with new achi!!
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On July 11 2010 19:45 uhlyk wrote:
achi sux... it is priceless when during fight nice two pop up windows show up with new achi!!
But it doesn't matter dude.. You got an achievement!
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I read the post, and I find it amusing that you think they suck but you wrote something somewhat constructive in regards to their presence. I'm personally not an achievement addict, but I am willing to say that popular opinion in regards to them would be the correct statement for my sentiment. They're additional fun, and I spent a few hours today doing some of the vs. Comp achievements that the original-poster admonished. They gave me a reason to try out the difficulty settings, and drive me to play multiple A.I. opponents at the same time. Without the achievement I may never have bothered, but I really enjoyed them today and it certainly adds to the overall experience.
As for the value of each achievement, I'm not sure that what they're set at now is the final verdict. Also, the real achievements, in typical fashion are the portraits. So I think it's fine that a lot of the achievements are relegated to A.I. play considering that the gravity portraits hold is far greater than achievement points.
Anyway, I enjoyed the post and hopefully they begin to grow on you as achievement did for me.
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On July 11 2010 15:22 superbabosheki wrote:
Just throwing it out there, I am a TERRAN MACRO MONSTER. Sadly I don't give a fuck.
Lol, isn't it macro master? Anyways, I think I got the same one, like have units queued in 6 terran production buildings or something. When the achievement popped up, I was about to gg because my zerg opponent was ripping apart my base. A perfect moment to mindlessly queue stuff.
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i agree with OP. its not like im playing Mafia Wars in BNet 2.0 to get those achievements. and i always get the thought " if Jaedong, Flash, Bisu or any other pro player would play SC2, do they need to get all those achievements to prove themselves as the best in SC2?? i dont think so..." ow and if i remember correctly, in one of the WCG Grand Finals game Stork vs Jaedong Game 2, the highest kill i saw HTs/archon did was 23 i think so how can you get 30kills with infested terran if your opponent is at your level??
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Anyone did the achievment Win FFA against 7 insane AI opponents ? ;]
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I got the Infested Terran-achievment in a pretty close 1v1. People are underestimating the power of burrowed infestors.
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For everyone who doesn't want to see the pop-ups in the middle of games, turn the timer on "Toasts" in your Options>Battle.net tab to 0. I'm pretty sure this gets rid of them.
Now if only we could get the "<Player> is slowing down the game" pop-ups to fuck off.
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^Yeah, I hate when that happens.
When it says that, does it mean the whole game is being slowed down..or? I just know it happened to me once when I was playing a UMS with a ton of units.
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Blizzard doesnt just target the hardcore nosebleed level starcraft players as their marketing audience, these achievements appeal to the younger players and the casual players who maybe want to play with a mate or family member against a difficult or moderate AI for example. The achievements are a little gimmick to entertain those who care about such things.
If you dont like them, simply dont pay attention to them, its really nothing to fret about.
i personally am pleased with having an achievement popping up in a ladder match for doing something without aiming for it. Its a nice surprise, and it doesnt really throw me off of my game.
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I enjoy the achievements. Kinda pointless in the beta and I hate having them popup mid-game, but otherwise it's not like they impede anything for someone not interested in them.
Some of them are kind of fun little challenges, like the insane 7 FFA or the 1v2+ ones.
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Achievements are awesome. They give you the sense that what you're doing actually matters. That the game is paying attention, and is aware when you do something really cool (like killing 50 supply worth of units in 15 seconds).
It also gives your character a certain uniqueness. Over time different players will have different achievements, which hopefully should reflect their different playing styles.
Additionally if you see an achievement that you think is really hard, maybe it can give you a rough idea of an area you may need to work on. For example the "20 yamato kills in 1 game" achievement, this sounds difficult to do in my opinion, but honestly i don't use the yamato cannon nearly as much as i should (even when i've researched it).
All in all there's almost no reason to dislike achievements (except for the popup). However on consoles (360 and PS3) i believe you can disable the popup so it doesn't appear. I'm sure Blizzard will follow suit and implement a settings option.
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On July 11 2010 14:35 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2010 13:04 Day[10] wrote:
Achievements make you feel like you've DONE something, and, imo, they aren't useless, and like others have said, it's an excuse to waste your time at the computer, slowly, slowly..... draining....... your..........life..............away.
anyway. Exactly ... they only make you feel like you did something notheworthy, but in reality you didnt. So giving out tons of achievements will make kiddies go hunt for them and waste their time while trying their best, because many of them are either ridiculously stupid or achievable only through ridiculous setups which wont improve your ladder play. Now ladder play isnt the most important thing about this game, but beating up an AI will only improve your skills to a basic competitive level, because the AI isnt creative and always does the same.
Getting to the top of your ladder will make you feel like you did something noteworthy, when in reality you didn't.
It's a game.
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startos, blah blah, more platitudes please.
do you realize that your attitude towards given subject is not exclusive, and that people actually do treat certain things differently?
There are a lot of people who play games to be competitive, improve and achieve certain goals and when they succeed, it is noteworthy.
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I'd prefer there be an option to opt out of them, but that's just me.
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I don't think there's a single person here who won't, at some point in SC2, hunt down a couple achievements on purpose.
Achievments are a praise analog, and nobody dislikes getting praise even if its for ridiculous things.
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Achievements are for xbox e-peen whores. Who cares if you killed X amount of units in Y situation. I certainly won't
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On July 11 2010 20:55 Jandos wrote:
Anyone did the achievment Win FFA against 7 insane AI opponents ? ;]
Yeah, I got that one while I was just watching the F1 Grand Prix. Just build on the islands on the only 8-player map there is and mass Banshees/Vikings and then go and kill the remaining AI.
Pretty straightforward really.
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On July 09 2010 04:50 Jovian wrote:
I really think that while some players will go into a game trying to get a specific achievement, the majority of the better players will play the game as normal and get an "Oh Cool!" feeling when something unlocks. There are a lot of things that will eventually happen in your games (Since you have to WIN 1k for certain portraits.)
I think that is a good thing making the achievements more of a long term goal.
Exactly!!
There is nothing better then having units rush unto your siege tank conclave and get the "Meat Grinder" achievement pop up.
Alot of the names are catchy, and it just gives another "extra" when you get an achievement after a nice action that leaves you even more satisfied.
Killing 2 immortals in a transport, and then getting an achievement made me happy for at least one hour
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Someone explain this to me and I'll be happy with them:
![[image loading]](http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9334/zerglot.png)
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mind control a probe then build a warpgate
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Oh, that makes a lot more sense to me then. I guess if I were a zerg player I would've been able to think of that. :/
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I find Blizzard achievements different from console game/lesser achievement systems. In Blizzard achievements you actually have to work in order to get some of them (Zerglot, the Yamato Cannon one, Unbreakable (which I came so close to getting once), also quite a few of the World of Warcraft ones require a serious amount of work to get) whereas console achievements you will get all of them eventually so they're kinda pointless.
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i think its a nice gimmick for casual players.
i dont get very distracted by that...so who cares
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On July 12 2010 00:42 Lysis wrote:
I find Blizzard achievements different from console game/lesser achievement systems. In Blizzard achievements you actually have to work in order to get some of them (Zerglot, the Yamato Cannon one, Unbreakable (which I came so close to getting once), also quite a few of the World of Warcraft ones require a serious amount of work to get) whereas console achievements you will get all of them eventually so they're kinda pointless.
![[image loading]](http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/9220/replay.png)
I don't know about that...
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On July 12 2010 00:28 im a roc wrote:Someone explain this to me and I'll be happy with them:
I believe they put this achievement in before they nerfed NP. It seems close to impossible to do it now.
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I wish there was a way to disable this bullshit.
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Couldnt care less about Achievements. I've always hated how the game scene processes about achievements and stuff (Hello CoD4) but oh well, guess some things you just have to accept
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As long as it doesn't influence the gameplay, I just think its a fun variation
I do agree that there are a lot of changes that could be done... like making achivements for more competitive level of playing and giving more points to harder achivevements etc.
Not really a big deal to me though^^
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i like the nuclear launch detected achievement u get it for killing X amounts of units with a nuke.Bottom like is that some are cool, but most of them are useless.
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I don't care about them, but i need an option to disable the pop up during battles ..
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I like the achievements. Personally, I prefer not to know what they are. I'm always amused when I do something random and the window comes up, and I have to look back later to see what the achievement actually was.
Blizzard should have a set of secret achievements that aren't listed until you earn them.
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If you notice the Achievements are designed for newer players by and large, to lure them into the game. The Exploration achievements lure you into playing against the AI, then you start going for the AI ones, the Team ones, and finally the 1v1 ones.
It's something Blizzard have mentioned in a lot of interviews, how most new players will move from the Campaign > AI > Co-op vs AI > 4v4 > 3v3 > 2v2 > 1v1 - 1v1 being the most 'high pressure' as your own mistakes become so much more notable.
That and I loved Warcraft 3's system, with various icons for playing certain races. I want me my Queen of Blades :D
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the new achievements are exactly what they should be: funny rewards for new starcraft 2 players. many of them will improve an aspect of your gameplay if you are a newb.
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On July 12 2010 00:50 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 00:28 im a roc wrote:Someone explain this to me and I'll be happy with them: I believe they put this achievement in before they nerfed NP. It seems close to impossible to do it now.
Actually it's way too easy to do, since you mc a probe, and u only need to click "b" "n" to build a nexus takes you 2 seconds, then you can leave the probe alone... After nexus is ready just build a probe pylon warpgate and get your zerglot
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Always hated achievments for obvious shit. but im fine with some cool achivements like the nuke and zerglot etc
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On July 09 2010 04:49 Senx wrote:
I think achievements are fairly pointless but hey, if people are whining about achievements the game itself gotta be freaking awesome at this point. Good sign imo.
Very good logic process: you are right, the game is incredibly good, I love it.
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i cant get the warp in twilight council achievement!!
the zealot push one is actually kind of hard you need to pull off a perfect 5 zealot push.
I got the psi storm one too though ill admit i waited until i was playing a total noob and expanded all over the map, contained him and screwed around with his bioball with templars
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They are fun! I like playing weird game types that I wouldn't normally try in order to get funny portraits
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I dont like it but i have to admit some of them are fun.
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Hm, just noticed something. It seems like wins as random might count towards wins as whatever you were playing as well.
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They're fun and harmless.
I'd like to see some more interesting ones though. The comp ones are decent, but feel a bit dumb because the AI is unrealistic hehe.
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On July 12 2010 00:50 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 00:28 im a roc wrote:Someone explain this to me and I'll be happy with them: I believe they put this achievement in before they nerfed NP. It seems close to impossible to do it now.
Yea how are u supposed to do that one, u have to mind control a probe build a pylon right there then mind control another probe and get a gateway
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Achievements are like pokemons, some idiots try to collect them all - the rest of the world doesn't give a shit.
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I think there should be a way to turn off those annoying achievement messages that pop up every time I build a zealot or cancel a building. Even watch a replay.
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Here's what I think: achievements are for dumb wow kids and serve as a carrot-on-a-stick for people not interested in playing the competitive game, but who still stick around for completion sake.
A *real* achievement (like defeating Tester in a 1v1 or any other high caliber player) is usually noticed outside the game without a flashy pop-up stuff coming up.
Hated them in WoW, hate them also in here... but hey... when they pop up, kids get off, so I guess they're here to stay.
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well, i dont need them at all. But if some people like them, i`m fine with it. the least thing that should be fixed is the time when the achievements pop up to your screen. how stupid is it when u are in the middle of a fight (dont matter if in bnet, zotac cup or WCG) and the pop up is distracting u. it would be enough when the acievements apear at the scores screen after the match.
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They should add IdrA syndrome achievement!
But in all seriousness, I don't mind them. Some people like them so why not have them? I only hope that you could turn them off. I just can imagine in the future Flash vs Jaedong in SC2 OSL and MEATGRINDER!!!!! achievement popping up.
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I fail to grasp the essence of this achievement whine.What's the big deal? So yeah they introduced SOMETHING more casual oriented, not mandatory at all. Nobody forces you to grind achievements. Im not an achievement whore myself, never was, even in WoW which i used to play for years I always did achievements that I felt will give me personal satisfaction.
So far in beta I had a few achieves including Zeg Macro Master, Would you kindly etc. Everytime i get an achi makes me happy cause obviously i did something right. Like for instance I just got Would you kindly (kill 5 units with a single neural-parasited unit). I didn't know what the achi was about and then I checked that out and realized that Thor really did some serious damage apart from just being taken out of enemy's army.
So, It's nice, it's shiny, it kind of rewards you for good play and NO ONE forces you to grind it. So why the whine? And I'm sure bliz will make sure this is turned off for serious tournaments. And even if they don't I just can't picture how a tiny box appearing for 3 secs at the bottom of your screen CAN AFFECT the game result. Srsly, all it will do it's make it even more interesting and exciting for spectators.
Elitism is bad, it's terrible, I used to be like that as well, all it does is takes away the fun from others. It's 2010 not 1998, games are out from underground so just deal with the fact that they want to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, more players, more game hype, more sponsorship. It's good for the game.
You can still pwn noobs though, don't worry.
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On July 09 2010 04:49 Schulzor wrote:
I think it's more of an Achievement to kill 30 in 1 game, than killing 50 over the next 12 years.
Vouch.
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I don't like achievements. If they weren't in the game I wouldn't worry about them, now I will do random ones even though I know they're useless. And look up to people who have tons of them, even though they might not be able to play well at all.
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On July 12 2010 19:11 bodycount wrote:
I fail to grasp the essence of this achievement whine.You can still pwn noobs though, don't worry.
I don't care about them it's good if the community loves them.
But why do they pop during the fights ingame ? Is there an option to hide this?
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Achievements are fine, I'll probably get them when I'm a bit bored with laddering every once in a while. Why not, can give a bit of motivation to try new and different things you might not try otherwise.
But there should be an option to disable the notification in game, and to stop receiving notifications when friends get them. Although I guess the last part isn't a big deal since it only happens in the menu, but still
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On July 09 2010 04:48 DTown wrote:
who cares about achievements?
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On July 09 2010 04:50 caseeker wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 04:49 Senx wrote:
I think achievements are fairly pointless but hey, if people are whining about achievements the game itself gotta be freaking awesome at this point. Good sign imo. Why do you think like that, achievement is one part of the game, and i'm saying it sucks.
offcourse achivements sucks, it's just a bad idea. I really think they need to implement a way to keep achivements from popping up in game, it can be oh so annoying.
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On July 12 2010 19:11 bodycount wrote:
I fail to grasp the essence of this achievement whine.What's the big deal? So yeah they introduced SOMETHING more casual oriented, not mandatory at all. Nobody forces you to grind achievements. Im not an achievement whore myself, never was, even in WoW which i used to play for years I always did achievements that I felt will give me personal satisfaction.
So far in beta I had a few achieves including Zeg Macro Master, Would you kindly etc. Everytime i get an achi makes me happy cause obviously i did something right. Like for instance I just got Would you kindly (kill 5 units with a single neural-parasited unit). I didn't know what the achi was about and then I checked that out and realized that Thor really did some serious damage apart from just being taken out of enemy's army.
So, It's nice, it's shiny, it kind of rewards you for good play and NO ONE forces you to grind it. So why the whine? And I'm sure bliz will make sure this is turned off for serious tournaments. And even if they don't I just can't picture how a tiny box appearing for 3 secs at the bottom of your screen CAN AFFECT the game result. Srsly, all it will do it's make it even more interesting and exciting for spectators.
Elitism is bad, it's terrible, I used to be like that as well, all it does is takes away the fun from others. It's 2010 not 1998, games are out from underground so just deal with the fact that they want to attract the masses. Nothing wrong with that, more players, more game hype, more sponsorship. It's good for the game.
You can still pwn noobs though, don't worry.
why can't both the casuals and the elitists be happy then, why is it so wrong to have an option to turn of achivements?
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I like them, bit annoying having them pop up in game so intrusively but meh, hasn't really affected all that much. On the whole it gives me something to do when I can't be bothered playing seriously, which is fairly often. Up to 550 now >.<
E: 560 even, forgot that I got the Raining Blood achievement in last game :p
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Yes it's annoying when they popup but I'm sure there will be an option to hide this properly very soon. Also, I miss the ability to link an achivement in chat (like in WoW) to show off to a friend or something. Or is there a way and I just missed it?
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i think the achievements has taken a huge leap forwards altough i hope they add at least times more of the funny ones that are not win X games etc
i really hope they in the menu to disable these achievements boxes that appear in the screen, really annoying to get them during tournaments. alright i just lost the game because of this box that appeared in middle of screen but at least im happy i dropped 30 mules this game, yaay
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I really think we're missing an angle here. I think we should try to use the achievement notification strategically to our advantage. When you're in a close game that you know is going to come down to some key, decisive event (be it a battle in the middle, a drop in their main, etc), you get your opponent to accomplish an achievement as the event happens. So they're trying to micro their casters vs your army in an epic battle that will decide the game, and BAM! The achievement box pops up, preventing any micro by your opponent, ensuring you victory.
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any web sites that have all the new achievements yet?
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On July 12 2010 17:41 Piski wrote:
They should add IdrA syndrome achievement!
But in all seriousness, I don't mind them. Some people like them so why not have them? I only hope that you could turn them off. I just can imagine in the future Flash vs Jaedong in SC2 OSL and MEATGRINDER!!!!! achievement popping up.
"A Useful Skill Toi Have"
"Leave a losing game without saying, 'GG'."
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On July 12 2010 12:45 Euphemism wrote:
Hm, just noticed something. It seems like wins as random might count towards wins as whatever you were playing as well.
Yeah they put that in a few patches ago, lol probably the main reason I play random.
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On July 12 2010 17:41 Piski wrote:
They should add IdrA syndrome achievement!
But in all seriousness, I don't mind them. Some people like them so why not have them? I only hope that you could turn them off. I just can imagine in the future Flash vs Jaedong in SC2 OSL and MEATGRINDER!!!!! achievement popping up.
I wish they had some achievements open for certain divisions only like the meatgrinder for pro league division and perhaps a clip from the game showing them pulling it off O;
It's a shame you can do any of these against A.I. and other b.s.
On July 12 2010 23:46 TheFinalWord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2010 12:45 Euphemism wrote:
Hm, just noticed something. It seems like wins as random might count towards wins as whatever you were playing as well. Yeah they put that in a few patches ago, lol probably the main reason I play random.
YUP, that is just one of the reasons I play random :D
You can open all sorts of stuff by going random
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I usually play console FPS and yes achievements are nice there. In the starcraft world...they sound ridiculous. OMG I got 10 points for killing 2 zerlings with storm! my life is complete.
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I got the Meatgrinder achievement in my first game as Protoss I actually think it should be harder to get than it is because as Terran and Protoss (hell with Fungal/Blings even Zerg) its pretty damn easy to blow up 50 population of food in 15 seconds. I mean all I had to do was make 5 Colossi and A-move the Zerg army I was against and I got the achievement (massive Ling/Bling swarm with Mutas/Corrupters versus Archon/Phoenix/Colossi) - I wasn't even trying to get it. Basically I think there should be an option called 'Disable In-game Achievement Notifications' for those who find the pop-up annoying. That said I think there is a fairly decent mix of achievements in that there are some that are hard for new players but easy for experienced ones, and then still harder achievements that are more long-term goals for people.
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im sure there will be more achievements on release
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Only achievement that matters is division/rank.
*hangs head in despair*
Bronze 23rd. Man, that month off was KILLER.
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I just wish I could turn off notifications.
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The fact that they will reset them again(when phase 2 goes down and u get the game) is annoying too.
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I got achievements on my first 2 games and never saw them again.
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