|
Sun Jul 04 UPDATE:
2-player version:
Encouraged by this thread, i decided to make a 2-player version of this map, with the requirements given in the OP.
+ Show Spoiler [Pictures] +Overview:![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc22ig1p.jpg) Frontal View:![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc22frontwh8k.jpg) Top half closeup:![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc22top6ci2.jpg) Bottomn half closeup:![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc22bottomzfux.jpg)
Comment: I made these mapchanges only to try and keep up with the requirements given in the map challenge.
The gap between the semi-island bases is 14 hexes, making siege unable to shoot across it.
The ledge behind the natural is not accessible by ground until the semi-islands minerals are mined out.
The entrance to the natural expansions is 6 hexes across, making it easy to wall in. A small desctuctible debris is part of this wall and can be destroyed to make the entrance wider.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4-player version:
Since my first Starcraft 2 map received a lot of positive feedback, I decided to make a 4-player version.
Features:
Start locations: 4
Mining locations: 17
Symmetry: Perfect
Balanced: I think so
Comment:
This time my first priority was balance, looks came second. There are 2 Support Cruisers escorting the Battlecarrier, holding Island expansions, which are blocked by destructible debris. This is done to prevent terrans from flying there too early in the game.
The map has lots of open spaces, but also narrow choke points in critical locations.
Natural expansions are easily defendable. Possible third bases have a cliff with watch towers behind them, which are hidden behind line of sight blockers. The watch towers are also good for scouting if an opponent moves out of his natural or watching your own entrance.
The Viking starting ramps are not accessible. I thought about making the parked Vikings destructible, so players can acces the cliffs with Reapers or Colossi.
Pictures:
+ Show Spoiler [Overview] +
+ Show Spoiler [Top Down View] +
+ Show Spoiler [Front] +
+ Show Spoiler [Details] +
+ Show Spoiler [Answers to questions in this thread] +The name Battlecarrier is intentional.
If you look closely, there are small Vikings parked on the deck, with a starting ramp nearby. This makes it an aircraft carrier, hence the name Battlecarrier.
To anyone complaining about balance issues between races; it's impossible to make a map that is 100% balanced for all races. I tried to make a mix, easily defended 2nd + open 3rd etc.
The destructibles on the islands have only 100 hp, preventing SCVs from removing them in the early game.
The ledge between the bases can not be used to park tanks, it is not accessible (as stated in the OP).
|
Best map I've seen so far. I don't really care if it's balanced it looks awesome!
|
dear lord this is cool looking
|
|
|
CattleBruiser Operational! just as sweet as your last map- screw balance when the map looks so good <3 nice work!
|
simply amazing!! I really will play this map, actually can you upload it for download, or PM the link so i can try it for the fun factor of being on a gigantic battle *carrier*.
+ Show Spoiler [Do Want] +
|
Yo dawg, I herd you like battlecruisers. So we built some battlecruisers in yo' battlecruiser, so you can cruise while you battle.
|
great great concept man, keep up the good work
|
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
whoaaaa this looks awesome! the background ships in formation and the landed ships and the ramps... damn, great attention to detail.
|
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Holy fuck, stop making maps and start painting or something bro. Talent getting wasted right in front of my eyes!
But seriously though, great effort, I can really tell you worked hard on this. If I had internet on my laptop I'd try it out.
|
Reminds me a lot of metalopolis, not that that's bad.
|
looks awesome...you should call it metalopolis
|
looks good. i like how at the gold, here stands "TL"
nice maps man. i will sure play it, when it appears on europe.
|
On June 23 2010 04:21 BADSMCGEE wrote:
looks awesome...you should call it metalopolis
BOO!
This map is epic. Epic.
|
That is pretty sexy right there.
|
On June 23 2010 04:21 BADSMCGEE wrote:
looks awesome...you should call it metalopolis
ahhhh I see what you did thar young badsmcgee 
Now, this map looks like one of those little maps that you play when your bored and just looking for a fun map to play with friends. So..... I will play it xD
|
Looks epic :D Cant wait to try it
|
|
|
awesome looking map, but what happens when I make a battle cruiser on a battle cruiser, does the universe implode?
|
This map looks so epic, i wanna play it RITE NOW!!
Do you have a download link for this or do you still want to balance it and give us the download when pahse 2 of the beta starts? I would like to play this map with some firends right when the beta comes back.
|
Niceeee. Looks even better than the 2p version.
|
Which way would it play, TvB or RvL?
|
Looks really cool. Just from the image, I don't see any glaring balancing issues. Nice work.
|
Is there any you can import a higher resolution custom texture for the giant rocket on the back of the map? I know that would be possible for warcraft 3 in UMS, but i don't know about melee maps.
|
you can play any map on melee settings, it just doesn't become an "official melee map" in Blizzard's strange terms if you try and have new units/camapign units/ect.
so things like this will go unaffected and yes you can totally import that high res texture.
|
Holy SHIT man! This looks like it could be a legitimate campaign mode SC2 map.I could seriously imagine playing this map as part of the storyline. So epic! Nice job!
|
wow... this map maker is much more impressive than i thought.
|
that front view is astonishing , you didnt made the map only but wrapped it into a nice looking scene , great job!!
|
haha, fighting on a bc, couldnt get more badass than this. Great work!
|
u think you can change the picture into a damaged battlecruiser? it seems more fitting that they would fight on a massive battlecruiser that was damaged a few decades ago
|
Very cool looking map.
Possibly the battlecruiser parts are alittle bit too distracting for it to be a ladder map.
Maybe that is not true and it may not be your goal for it to be more then a fun map. but its the only thing i can think of right now.
|
You sir, just took epic map design a new level!
|
very epic, looks quite symetrical as well.
|
It actually looks like an awesome map too, as well as the awesome fact that it is a battlecruiser xD
|
Strange that it can be so similar to Metalopolis, yet so, so, much cooler. Well done sir.
|
This is beyond awesome. Zoomed out view (more "Battlecarriers" in the background) sealed the epic deal.
|
These 2 maps you've made have so much amazing detail.
How long did this take?
|
I do not like the 1 gold expansion. I think that a map needs a even number of them to be balanced. Ah well, why have a gold in the first place? Not every map has to have a gold expansion, i say take out the gold and maybe add a watch tower, or something.
|
Finland645 Posts
Solid proof that galaxy editor can produce really cool maps in future also. In skilled hands ofc 
|
the design and originality is flawless.
as a fellow mapmaker i got some ideas gameplay wise:
- the ramp to the natural shouldnt be right at the choke. id suggest the diagnoal are you got there.
- make the choke at the natural a bit smaller (5/6 squares is my aim for natural chokes)
- i think the watchtowers make it too easy because its already small in those streets.
- find a way to make the streets bigger or tanks and forcefields will own everything.
the hole in the back, the mashine thing in the front and cable stuff coming from the generator at the mains might be key to this.
|
Wow, really good job. do you put featured for we can play on Bnet2 ? if yes what is his name ?
|
OH MY F...LOATING GOD!! This map looks AWESOME!! Excelent work!!! *-*
|
That looks like a brilliant map, they should play that on iccup.
|
Korea (South)922 Posts
On June 23 2010 04:30 besiger wrote:
awesome looking map, but what happens when I make a battle cruiser on a battle cruiser, does the universe implode?
i have to do it...i know memes are frowned upon on TL but...
+ Show Spoiler +yo dawg i herd u liked bcs so i put a bc in your bc so you can yamato while you yamato.
edit: i didnt see the one on the first page. dammit.
|
Looks very very good
I think it will favor terran way to much thought.
Very bad map for zerg with no open ground.
|
I don't like how some spawns have a really short path and some have a long path, depending on chance. Rename the map metalopolis.
|
Remembers metalopolis too much, also i disagree with destructble rocks on islands, makes them really zerg favored compared to the other races.
should make mid bigger so it stops being metalopolis 2
|
just, wow.... i do not dare to think about some future maps of the sc2 communitry (especially in terms of design) after ive seen such a thing!
|
Wow that is so cool, great job man, that is by far the best looking competitive RTS map i have ever seen.
|
i hope the island expos fly around a bit
just forwards and backwars haha would be awesome
|
Looks great, but I don't like those tower positions. Having the one tower in front of your base, gives you ample view of attacks from either side of your base, which makes it really easy to defend when you've got that much advanced warning and only having to invest a single worker, Zergling, Marine or Zealot to be a spotter. The best Tower positions, I think, are ones where either you need two towers to cover all angles, but you have to go into your opponent's territory to get it (e.g. Metalopolis) or they don't cover all possible attack angles on the ground (e.g. Lost Temple or Incineration Zone).
|
|
|
Dude, amazing map. My only rub is that it is redonkulously imba to have that little platform stick out in between the main bases of either side. I mean, seriously, T gets a couple tanks there and can assault 2 people's mains at the same time, without having to enter either base?
|
Amazing! Seriously keep making maps man, they're awesome. It's just too bad I mostly play ladder, or I would love to play these maps.
Guess I'll go for them in custom games
|
Looks wicked nice !
Keep up the good work
|
Wait, did anyone notice he called it a battle carrier? Is that something with his country?
|
This one-ups every melee map out there.
|
|
|
On June 23 2010 07:48 RodrigoX wrote:
Wait, did anyone notice he called it a battle carrier? Is that something with his country?
He's probably referring to the fact that this map is large enough to be a carrier...of battlecruisers. Thus, battlecarrier.
|
Woah dude, how did you do this :S It looks so good.. and the 'TL' is great haha
Good job.
|
dude that looks amazing! Finally we have a map that is about it's appearance and not just about it's playability
|
Very nice! Don't look too close at the battlecruiser the map is on, but the general layout of teh map seems very nice.
Very easy third though, you can do some really good macro games on it
But how is the balance between the top third and the bottom ones? they seem to have some kind of stuff there, but how does that work with unit LOS etc?
|
On June 23 2010 04:20 Murderotica wrote:
Holy fuck, stop making maps and start painting or something bro. Talent getting wasted right in front of my eyes!
Hell no, this is so much better than any painting.
Way to go OP, that's probably the best/coolest custom map I've seen so far.
|
Great work man, awesome idea and very good looking map.
Here's some thoughts on balance/gameplay issues:
 on't make the destructible debris too high on hp since I think people will very rarely commit their forces to killing a rock in an island.
*Air distance is waay too close. I would suggest moving the minerals to the other side of the mains overlooking the naturals. That way air harass will be easier to defend.
*I would like to see the pathways get a little wider. Right now it looks like there is no real space for flanking which is bad for battles.
|
On June 23 2010 08:18 QualmSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 04:20 Murderotica wrote:
Holy fuck, stop making maps and start painting or something bro. Talent getting wasted right in front of my eyes!
Hell no, this is so much better than any painting. Way to go OP, that's probably the best/coolest custom map I've seen so far.
On June 23 2010 04:48 Tankbusta wrote:
you can play any map on melee settings, it just doesn't become an "official melee map" in Blizzard's strange terms if you try and have new units/camapign units/ect.
so things like this will go unaffected and yes you can totally import that high res texture.
Seriously? That's awesome. How the hell could we find/make a higher res texture tho?
|
LOL making battlecruisers on TOP of a battlecruiser. How sick will that be =D
|
This map needs to be in tournaments out of sheer awesomeness. great job!
|
OMG, great looking map! When i clicked this thread i thought you were making a "new" unit mixing the battlecruiser and carrier, then i saw this and my jaw dropped.
|
|
|
haha really cool map, gameplay could actually work quite well too :D hope this will get used in future events
|
Looks like it'd be a very functional map with a little bit of tweaking.
The major issue with this map imo are the watchtowers, they're way too close to the main!.. if you wanted for it to matter for gameplay in a way that you have vision over what's coming.. that'd be perfect.
But the problem is, if an enemy has control over the watch towers you can't really do much other than drops / flying units. besides it looks like you can abuse them hard with tanks and set up a super strong contain as terran there, or even units like HTs and Infestors could abuse them to some extend... its just WAY too close to the main.
Perhaps, you could put them somewhere INSIDE the main, this would give the map a unique functionality that we only see on that horrible map Kulas Ravine (to some extend).
With a watchtower in your main, the tendency on your map would probably be more macro oriented as it'd be harder to do sneaky stuff, so i'd place it on a spot that gives the players options to make more interesting games, having blindspots and such, for drops for example, you could make a ramp inside your own base, that leads to the watch tower, and only that, to give you vision of an area arround your base but not covering the entrance or the back (for drops).
The other thing that you could probably do, is widen the space in the middle gold expo, right now, that expo is basically only takable / defendable by terran with tanks, its positioned in a high risk zone and could make for an epic lategame where there is no more mining bases left and its a race to get it... but as it is... it looks like only tanks can secure it mid-lategame.
That's just my noobie opinions, beautiful design and a map with lots of potential, keep up the great work!
Edit: was just talking to Raelcun on vent about your map and he noticed something too, make sure those little peninsula thingys , the broken ramps to the gold exps space to the main base is shorter than a sieged tank range, cuz if it isnt ewww, same for blink stalkers, though it doesnt look it, i'd test for it just in case...
|
This version looks a lot less imbalanced than your 2 player version, and I think actually has a chance of being regularly played
Hell if you slightly modified it (maybe remove double mineral patches), it might even work as a 1v1 map. Though that ledge if it let's you siege main looks a tad nasty.
|
|
|
I absolutely love the style you chose for this map. Even if it doesn't play super well, I'll probably play a few games on it just because it looks like a joy to dick around on.
As far as actual feedback, I feel that the watchtowers are a bit too easily accessible especially early on, which may lead to the high-yield bases being either impossible to hold, or impossible to assault, depending how the early game plays out. I feel that this would be alleviated if the watchtower ramps were blocked off by destructible blockers with at least 1000 HP.
|
|
|
AMAZING looking map, and actually more balanced than 90% of the stupid maps that are posted on this site, really nice work man, I really hope this map gets used in the next major tournaments =]
|
Sick. The attention you put in the details is awesome.
Keep stylin'.
|
But does it have a space shark?
|
i would totally play this this looks sick!
congrats!! ^.^
|
Wow I didn't think I'd find anything more visually impressive than your 1v1 version, but holy crap dude! I can not WAIT to play this map!
|
|
|
Lol some people are such dicks. This is awesome man, good job.
|
E as in epic looking
P as in pure genius map
I as in I can't wait until I get to play this map
C as in CC 14 @ this map
|
|
|
thumbs up my friend, awesomeness!
|
This is gonna be a famous map at phase 2.. We just need to promote it I guess?
|
|
|
this map is even better than your last one! I love the island expos on the other bc's. This is so cool... keep up the good work man
|
W00t!? The paint penis is gone!
|
I don't even care if it's balanced. Granted being able to play this fairly would own, but this is the kind of thing that makes casual maps freaking awesome. Also, it will make rushing BCs even more freaking awesome in casual matchups.
|
w0w unbelievable man
i cannot wait to play on this map either
you're quite the SC cartographer keep up the goodwork dude :D
|
Oh man, this reminds me of years ago, when i made a battle cruiser out of the space platform tileset with the default editor, it sucked. This, does not. I'd rather play this than metalopolis.
|
These unit-themed maps are so awesome! Hopefully they go up the second phase two starts or at least when the game releases. I'm going to play them a ton.
And, on a side note, what is a Battlecarrier? Is that a fusion of a Battlecrusier/Carrier? Man that would be deadly...
|
The name Battlecarrier is intentional.
If you look closely, there are small Vikings parked on the deck, with a starting ramp nearby. This makes it an aircraft carrier, hence the name Battlecarrier.
To anyone complaining about balance issues between races; it's impossible to make a map that is 100% balanced for all races. I tried to make a mix, easily defended 2nd + open 3rd etc.
The destructibles on the islands have only 100 hp, preventing SCVs from removing them in the early game.
The ledge between the bases can not be used to park tanks, it is not accessible (as stated in the OP).
|
awesome map i love it :D when is the 4vs4 carrier one due? :D
|
Impressive stuff man, cant wait to try it out.
|
I think you should apply for that level design position blizz has open right now
|
Best looking original SC2 map as far as I'm concerned.
|
I'd like it if the entrance to the main was moved back a little so zerg ooze can get to it faster.
Islands mineral setup needs an arc, and the D-Rocks there don't stop a CC from landing. You need to make the island smaller and place some 5 mineral chunks around so the CC can't land.
As you have it now, no one is going to try and take that island unless they have a huge air army and some time to spare with it, Except for terrans who can land next to the D-Rock and kill it later.
|
I didn't even think something like this is possible...
|
|
|
Neat!
Looks really fun to play on and totally OK balance wise. May I suggest you widen the middle, like, double the width and maybe even lower it down one level? I would love that.
Nice work
|
Cant wait for beta to go back up... jeeze thats sweet.
|
hmm, is it possible to make main a bit bigger? i wanna hide some tech buildings ya know. :p
|
wow....
i just looked at it and thought... wow =D looks great
i'd play it right now!
|
Oh man this is amazing haha should be a staple in every TL SC2 event.
|
I am thoroughly impressed.
|
On June 23 2010 04:13 Darthturtle wrote:
Yo dawg, I herd you like battlecruisers. So we built some battlecruisers in yo' battlecruiser, so you can cruise while you battle.
hahahaha
|
On June 23 2010 20:04 Demoninja wrote:
Oh man this is amazing haha should be a staple in every TL SC2 event.
Thats never going to happen.
While the map looks awesome it is for sure not balanced.
|
konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
holy shit wow, looks so amazing.
|
|
|
I think it needs just a little bit more space (hah), or room. Maybe if the 3d expansions were removed and the gap in the middle was a little bit smaller? (awesome concept and execution though)
And one thing I've always wished for, an aerial indestructible object that zaps flying units between the two sets of two bases that are so close to eachother, so air isn't that much better depending on starting position.
|
Netherlands19135 Posts
|
Looks awesome. I'd remove the four expansions at the xel naga towers though. I'd prefer players to compete for the expansions to avoid too macro heavy games. Other than that it looks like a fun and balanced map to play on.
|
The Powerhouses of the Starcraft Universe are impressed and amazed. They will race to obtain it at all costs.
Kerrigan, because the BattleCarrier would make a splendid portable breeding ground.
Mengsk, because it would be the best vacation home ever.
Zeratul, because such unspeakable power would be catastrophic in the wrong hands.
Raynor, because it looks (bleep) cool.
The Xel Naga declined to comment, they are ill disposed of such things.
|
|
|
looks clean; cant wait to see it being played out!
|
United States10328 Posts
very aesthetically pleasing
|
I'm not sure I like the watch towers at all, they seem really imbalanced.
Terran can just put a few tanks on that ledge and totally deny zerg of leaving his base until drop research or tunneling claws, because of the watch tower terran doesn't have to use flying units to get vision, which under normal circumstances can be shot down to provide a little cover.
|
Look's very lost temple and metalopolis shaped.
Sorry, it's a great map and everything but I just had to say that! XD
|
amazing map man. I think it might be 'mostly balanced' so far. but like you said it's pretty difficult to make a map that's completely balanced for all races. Even then, since when are the best maps completely 'balanced'? think you should put up a poll to see the community opinion on if this map's balanced or not lol. but anyways, great work, keep it coming.
btw, is it up for download yet?
|
Total terran map. Tanks can be put here or there where-ever I imagine and give a free win. Needs copper level opponent z/p though as usual who just sit in their base all base. Nice try but make it more balanced.
|
this map is sort ofa combination of metalopolis and kulas ravine
|
Great looking map. Saw topic, was hoping for someone with some good ideas with carrier use, but alas.
Amazing background stuff, hope it won't cause camera havoc (or lag for worse comps).
|
amazing looking map, gonna have spend more time enjoying the scenery than actually playing. hah.
|
This is beautiful.
There is no Download for us?!?!?
OMFG DO WANT
edit: Man, TvT on that thing would give me a stroke!!!
|
Damn, glad I found this. Amazing map. I didn't know customization like that was possible.
Mind = Blown
|
most creative map ive seen yet, GJ
|
everytime i see the s.s. of this map, i'm like wow...ha ha
|
Wow NICE work. I really like the concept and it has a killer look ! Beta phase 2 CMOOOOOON 
|
Regardless of the balance of this map, the concept is absolutely awesome. Keep up the good work.
|
On June 25 2010 11:35 wintergt wrote:
Total terran map. Tanks can be put here or there where-ever I imagine and give a free win. Needs copper level opponent z/p though as usual who just sit in their base all base. Nice try but make it more balanced.
totally. i mean, u can just put tanks..
just make maps with vision blockers every 6 range or smth, someone gotta do shit bout these tanks, honestly!
|
On June 25 2010 11:35 wintergt wrote:
Total terran map. Tanks can be put here or there where-ever I imagine and give a free win. Needs copper level opponent z/p though as usual who just sit in their base all base. Nice try but make it more balanced.
Yeah we really should have maps where you can "put a tank here" especially to own copper noobs^^
How about playng a map(that looks awesome and decently balanced for such a project, great job) instead of just flaming it for a reason that is simply your own, debatable and not really shared by most posters here
|
This is the best i`ve seen in my life. Gj
|
ballin, cant wait to try it out
|
I think it looks really great, epic concept! Absolutely love the runways you put on top of the thing too.
|
awesome cant wait to give it a go
|
Just wondering why there isn't a download link? Are you waiting to upload a locked version to bnet? Or just to ensure you're the first person to upload on release?
|
nice map def. gonna try it
|
On July 03 2010 21:42 shawabawa wrote:
Just wondering why there isn't a download link? Are you waiting to upload a locked version to bnet? Or just to ensure you're the first person to upload on release?
Most likely. I'm actually not sure what protections (if any) Blizzard is providing for map makers - have they said anything about this?
|
I think you can make it more balanced just but scaling up everything a little...
But yeah, beautiful map. Artistically the best I've seen.
|
Holy shit, this map is insane.
Didn't know you could make these insane details like the map being on top of a battlecruiser?!
Shiiit. O_O
|
looking good.
The easy third will be good for long macro games and the islands are well thought out.
|
Russian Federation76 Posts
very well done mate great job.
|
Plz Plz Plz make more maps like this, what you have done is something no one else has ever even imagined and honestly you've just shown us yet another one of the possibilities of the map editor
I am deeply impressed keep it up
|
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Holy shit this is fucking awesome <3
|
This map is so awesome, probably the coolest map made so far. The design is epic and the balance seems ok.
The only thing I would recommend is to fix the mineral layout at all bases. Right now, they look kinda ugly cause they're all in a straight line or L-shaped and crammed into small spaces. I think you should change the formation into an arc by moving some minerals back or forth and spreading them out a bit. Kinda like how the minerals are on the ladder maps.
Good job yo
|
|
|
On July 04 2010 00:18 flamewheel wrote:
Holy shit this is fucking awesome <3
I second that!
edit: i want to play this now :[[
|
where or when can i download this on europe?
|
Is this map going to be available for download anytime soon?
|
I can see many epic o battles being fought on this battleground that is a battlecruiser.
|
I've checked out a few SC2 map websites and couldn't really find anything.
Can someone PM on info to find this map
and this should be in the rotation for 2v2.
|
On June 23 2010 04:13 Darthturtle wrote:
Yo dawg, I herd you like battlecruisers. So we built some battlecruisers in yo' battlecruiser, so you can cruise while you battle.
^ this is win. If I had that guy with the top hat picture I would post it,,but my /b/ folder is on my desktop...
|
The next Dreamliner right there!
|
epic map any future projects ?
|
yo dawg, I herd u like battlecruisers so we put a battlecruiser on your battlecruiser so you can cruise while you battle
edit: oh wow
On June 23 2010 04:13 Darthturtle wrote:
Yo dawg, I herd you like battlecruisers. So we built some battlecruisers in yo' battlecruiser, so you can cruise while you battle.
exactly the same
and I didn't even read it before now
TIME DILATED HIVE MIND?
|
I must play this. Is it available online?
|
If melee maps were aloud for the map contest this would of own.
And I really want to play this map, but I can't find it.
Does anyone have it?
|
A work of art.
Brilliantly inspired and beautifully realized.
Bravo Zulu good sir.
|
I like this map, hope to see it soon on europe.
|
Sorry for bumping, Anyone knows what happend to this map? I've been eagerly anticipating it for as long as I can remember.
|
Yep, both these maps look amazing. Hopefully the creator didn't abandon SC2 during the beta or something.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc2overviewo2jf.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc2topdownn1pv.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc2front131b.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/bc2detaili11x.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f170/133143d1252671957-evora-racecar-house-do-want_thumbnail.jpg)
