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woboola
Profile Joined July 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-01 21:14:44
August 01 2010 21:07 GMT
#801
On August 01 2010 23:33 JamesLame wrote:
You did just not say that, jesus. You are not paying for the product how does that seem like no one is losing anything?


Uh, how does copying something make someone lose something? What exactly are they losing? I don't understand, sorry. What is being taken away from them that they had before? I'm trying to phrase this as clearly as possible, as brainwashed tools seem to be hard to communicate with.

On August 02 2010 01:27 Crushgroove wrote:
If this is what you have to tell your 5 yr old so that he doesn't think his father is an immoral prick who expects to get the fruits of other peoples' labor without giving them anything in return, the go big.

But reality tempts me to post this: If you call a taxi, you enter into a verbal contract. (not making this up, its the law). This contract for services states: you give me a ride, and I pay you for it. I agree to pay what you charge for this service. If I do not agree, I forfeit my opportunity to partake in said transaction and I exit the cab without being transported anywhere.

The cab driver still owns the cab, and still can give an infinite number of people rides. But if you take a ride without paying him, you STOLE HIS TIME. You stole is RESOURCES. You RENEGED ON A CONTRACT, and simply, you owe him money.

It is theft. It may not adhere to your definition of "stealing", but guess what? My definition of stealing is the same as the court's definition of stealing and we disagree with you.

Piracy is theft, because the company that made the INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY owns it, and doesn't sell it to anyone, they license you to use it. Its a contract for a service. You pay to use their intellectual property (software). If you use it and don't pay them, you have stolen from them.

Its the law. Stop being silly.


It's not stealing. There is a specific term for it: piracy. Piracy is illegal, yes. I can also see that you made no attempt to read my original post, otherwise you'd already see how I logically justified piracy and that making an attempt to apprehend people for 'stealing' someones 'potential profits' is simply idiotic, illogical, and inefficient.

Your taxi example is incorrect, as there is a limit to the number of rides he can give, due to the fact that the taxi needs to acquire energy in some way in order to run, usually by using gas. When you pirate something, you're just copying something, and taking nothing from anyone (how many times do I have to repeat this?)

Oh, and, just because something is against the law, that does not make it instantly wrong or immoral. Also... I would never have a child, as I do not want to contribute to the survival of the human race in the first place.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
August 01 2010 21:19 GMT
#802
On July 31 2010 22:57 Tergeron wrote:
Piracy is stealing, if you think it isn't then you should introduce yourself to a dictionary.



Piracy is not like stealing, its more like sneaking on the bus.

Both are getting value from something which others have payed for, without doing so yourself. Very simple.
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Sandrosuperstar
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden525 Posts
August 01 2010 21:47 GMT
#803
On August 01 2010 23:25 tomc wrote:
in before YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A CAR!


in before I WOULD IF I COULD!
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CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 00:12:39
August 02 2010 00:09 GMT
#804
On August 02 2010 01:27 Crushgroove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 22:22 woboola wrote:

Second of all, piracy is NOT stealing. I read a comment somewhere here that compared pirating something to stealing an apple. This is absolutely idiotic because when you steal an apple, the owner NO LONGER HAS IT. That's what stealing is. When you take something, and it's no longer there for someone else. When you pirate something, you're basically making a copy, and there will always be more for other people! These products are in an INFINITE quantity. Piracy isn't stealing, despite what some brainwashed tools would have you believe.



If this is what you have to tell your 5 yr old so that he doesn't think his father is an immoral prick who expects to get the fruits of other peoples' labor without giving them anything in return, the go big.

But reality tempts me to post this: If you call a taxi, you enter into a verbal contract. (not making this up, its the law). This contract for services states: you give me a ride, and I pay you for it. I agree to pay what you charge for this service. If I do not agree, I forfeit my opportunity to partake in said transaction and I exit the cab without being transported anywhere.

The cab driver still owns the cab, and still can give an infinite number of people rides. But if you take a ride without paying him, you STOLE HIS TIME. You stole is RESOURCES. You RENEGED ON A CONTRACT, and simply, you owe him money.

It is theft. It may not adhere to your definition of "stealing", but guess what? My definition of stealing is the same as the court's definition of stealing and we disagree with you.

Piracy is theft, because the company that made the INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY owns it, and doesn't sell it to anyone, they license you to use it. Its a contract for a service. You pay to use their intellectual property (software). If you use it and don't pay them, you have stolen from them.

Its the law. Stop being silly.




no, its more like i was going to take a walk but my friend asked me if i want to share a cab... since i wasnt going to take a cab anyway (cuz i cant afford it or it smells like shit) i might aswell take a free ride
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friendlybus
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia78 Posts
August 02 2010 02:35 GMT
#805
Theft deprives someone of property. Piracy does not. That's why it's copyright infringement. If you're gonna quote the law, do it correctly.
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
August 02 2010 02:38 GMT
#806
On August 02 2010 06:19 Ghad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 22:57 Tergeron wrote:
Piracy is stealing, if you think it isn't then you should introduce yourself to a dictionary.



Piracy is not like stealing, its more like sneaking on the bus.

Both are getting value from something which others have payed for, without doing so yourself. Very simple.

piracy is really vague these days. you can make a mod for an existing program and get slapped with "piracy" lawsuits.

these so called "victims" of piracy often engage in "piracy" themselves. we often hear studios have arguments with their publishers and the bigger player often use lawsuits to take ownership of games from their creators.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 02 2010 02:44 GMT
#807
Taking something without paying for it is stealing. Screw your logic debate skills. Get real.
Skeyser
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada219 Posts
August 02 2010 02:50 GMT
#808
On August 02 2010 06:19 Ghad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2010 22:57 Tergeron wrote:
Piracy is stealing, if you think it isn't then you should introduce yourself to a dictionary.



Piracy is not like stealing, its more like sneaking on the bus.

Both are getting value from something which others have payed for, without doing so yourself. Very simple.


When you pirate something you take the intellectual property of the company that made the product, which by definition is stealing. I really don't know why you guys are arguing about this...
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 03:05:59
August 02 2010 03:04 GMT
#809
On August 02 2010 11:50 Skeyser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2010 06:19 Ghad wrote:
On July 31 2010 22:57 Tergeron wrote:
Piracy is stealing, if you think it isn't then you should introduce yourself to a dictionary.



Piracy is not like stealing, its more like sneaking on the bus.

Both are getting value from something which others have payed for, without doing so yourself. Very simple.


When you pirate something you take the intellectual property of the company that made the product, which by definition is stealing. I really don't know why you guys are arguing about this...


how do you take something away which has no physical appearance in the real world? the wikipedia definition of stealing (theft) in english law:
"A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it". (Section 1)



Do you really think that applies to pirates? They can't permanently deprive someone of something with elecronical data. when you download SC2 on the internet that doesn#t mean that there will be 1 copy removed from the shelves in stores. There's a reason it's called "piracy" after all, and not just "internet theft" or something like that.
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Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
August 02 2010 03:23 GMT
#810
On August 02 2010 11:44 0neder wrote:
Taking something without paying for it is stealing. Screw your logic debate skills. Get real.


If so, then libraries are legalized stealing.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 02 2010 03:24 GMT
#811
By pirating something you decrease the desire of the maker to improve it because he doesn't make as much money as he would if pirating didn't exist.

If you could pirate medicine then there would be much less money in medical research, and therefore less medical research,
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woboola
Profile Joined July 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 11:53:30
August 02 2010 11:38 GMT
#812
On August 02 2010 11:44 0neder wrote:
Taking something without paying for it is stealing. Screw your logic debate skills. Get real.


Okay? What is being 'taken' when someone pirates something? No one is being deprived of anything. Free your mind from the box that society has enclosed it in, it'll do you and everyone around you a lot of good in the long run.

On August 02 2010 12:24 ShaperofDreams wrote:
By pirating something you decrease the desire of the maker to improve it because he doesn't make as much money as he would if pirating didn't exist.

If you could pirate medicine then there would be much less money in medical research, and therefore less medical research,


How so? For one, the developer can't ever know if you pirated it because there is no simple or accurate way to determine how many people pirated something, due to the sheer amount of torrents and torrent websites, among other variables. Second of all, you can't logically count each time someone pirates something as a lost sale, because you have no idea if they were going to buy it or not had they been unable to pirate it (and many of them likely weren't going to buy it). Are you against competition in business too? Those other businesses could take away from your potential profits, thereby decreasing your desire to make and/or sell products. Are you also against people informing other people of bad/poorly made products or businesses? That could take away from someones potential profits, thereby decreasing their desire to make and/or sell products. This is the fault of a capitalistic society, pirates are but symptoms of it. Your argument makes no logical sense.

Also, you did not just say that you wouldn't pirate medicine, did you? That's fucking selfish. There's people all over the world who are dying and sick because they can't get their hands on simple medicines (either because of a lack of it in their countries, or because they have no money). If you wouldn't help them out if you had the power to somehow copy medicine without taking the original copy, you're far more idiotic and selfish than I first suspected.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
August 02 2010 12:58 GMT
#813
On August 02 2010 06:07 woboola wrote:
I'm trying to phrase this as clearly as possible, as brainwashed tools seem to be hard to communicate with.

On August 02 2010 20:38 woboola wrote:
you're far more idiotic and selfish than I first suspected.


Here's a tip: you may want to cut back on the insults when you've got 4 posts.

There's already been several threads discussing piracy, so I don't see why it's necessary to turn this thread into yet another such debate. Nevertheless, I want to make a comment as well...

What you call it really doesn't matter. While copying a movie file certainly is not the same as for example taking a DVD containing the same movie from your neighbour, it's still considered a crime by most people.

Work has gone into the product. Just because it's easy to reproduce doesn't mean you should be allowed to. And certainly very few would think you should be allowed to profit from that reproduction.

It's the same with patents.
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woboola
Profile Joined July 2010
8 Posts
August 02 2010 13:58 GMT
#814
On August 02 2010 21:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
Here's a tip: you may want to cut back on the insults when you've got 4 posts.

There's already been several threads discussing piracy, so I don't see why it's necessary to turn this thread into yet another such debate. Nevertheless, I want to make a comment as well...

What you call it really doesn't matter. While copying a movie file certainly is not the same as for example taking a DVD containing the same movie from your neighbour, it's still considered a crime by most people.

Work has gone into the product. Just because it's easy to reproduce doesn't mean you should be allowed to. And certainly very few would think you should be allowed to profit from that reproduction.

It's the same with patents.


I'm sorry, but when someone behaves like a brainwashed tool who believes everything they are told, not because of logic, but because the person giving them the information is an authority figure, I'm going to call them out on it. How I express my point matters not, as long as there is a point to my argument, that is all that matters. It's idiotic not to see past insults when there is an argument present. They are free to do the same as far as I'm concerned. Post count matters little, as well.

Also, just because something is illegal, that doesn't mean it's wrong (again). Work may have gone into the product, but the product is in an infinite quantity that never runs out. Not to mention that, logically, there's nothing wrong with piracy in the first place. The true enemy is the illogical and inefficient capitalistic society, as pirates are merely symptoms of it. I'm not going to keep reposting what I've already said, so I'll just quote my first post (which it seems nobody actually read, or they read it and disregarded it entirely to protect their brainwashed tool mindsets).

On July 31 2010 22:22 woboola wrote:
I've read some of the comments, and unsurprisingly, there seems to be a lot of indoctrinated brainwashed tools who think that piracy is stealing and such. Let me clear this up for you people with logic (something many people seem to lack).

Now, first of all, those statistics that state how many pirates there are or how much something was pirated? Made up on the spot. There is NO simple or accurate way to know how many people are pirates or know how many people pirated something because it's as if they never bought the product! In addition, there's far too many websites and torrents to even come close to having accurate statistics, so they have to make the numbers up to seem worse than they really are. What's sad is, some people actually believe them (I'd expect no less from brainwashed tools, though). Also, no matter how much DRM someone puts into their products, it isn't going to stop piracy. Sorry, you're only hurting your customers.

Second of all, piracy is NOT stealing. I read a comment somewhere here that compared pirating something to stealing an apple. This is absolutely idiotic because when you steal an apple, the owner NO LONGER HAS IT. That's what stealing is. When you take something, and it's no longer there for someone else. When you pirate something, you're basically making a copy, and there will always be more for other people! These products are in an INFINITE quantity. Piracy isn't stealing, despite what some brainwashed tools would have you believe.

Now, you could argue that when someone pirates something, they are 'stealing' the artists potential profits. This is simply idiotic and incorrect for a number of reasons. For one, many pirates likely never have any intention of buying something if they can't pirate, maybe because they don't have the money, or because the company is similar to Blizzard and treats their customers like idiots who throw money at them mindlessly. Second of all, if 'stealing' someones potential profits was illegal, this would have some very dire consequences such as the fact that competition in general would become illegal! Other businesses would be 'stealing' away your 'potential profits'. Not to mention the fact that warning people about bad/poorly made products would also be illegal because it could 'steal' away a businesses potential profits.

Piracy also has some positive effects, such as the fact that when someone pirates something and they like the product, they will likely spread the word about it, which means free advertising via word of mouth. Also, they might tell some of their non-pirate friends to buy it, or maybe even donate to the author themselves. Also, when someone pirates something, they save money for themselves so they can buy more important things (food, water, and shelter).

Morally, you might say piracy is wrong. However, your morals are not absolute and do not apply to everyone. So that's really just an opinion. While I do think an artist should get compensated for their efforts if they made a product that the pirate likes, it's no fault of the pirate if they don't. Pirates are merely symptoms of an illogical capitalistic society that utilizes a vastly inefficient artificial currency which promotes greed, selfishness, corruption, and often even promotes sacrificing the environment or the lives of living beings in order to acquire more of this worthless currency.

Think outside of the box that society has enclosed your mind in.

Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
August 02 2010 16:36 GMT
#815
Dont mean to backseat moderate but can we not derail the thread anymore.
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wizerd
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
August 02 2010 20:28 GMT
#816
On May 30 2010 10:50 Captain Peabody wrote:
First, I'd like to commend you for taking the time to write your thoughts up in a clear and readable manner, do a reasonable amount of research, and not just flame Blizzard.

However, that being said, your post is not at all convincing.

While you make no explicit argument in your post, it's pretty obvious what thesis you are trying to support. If I had to put it into words, it would be that "Blizzard has been negatively affected by the merger with Activision. They are now greedy like Activision."
However, this thesis is totally and completely unsupported by the evidence you provide.

First of all, if you want to show that Blizzard is greedier now than they were, you have to provide some point of contrast; in other words, to show that there is a significant difference between the way Blizzard acted before the merger, and the way they act now, you have to provide a picture of what they were like before the merger that contrasts with the way they are now. Now, certainly you can reasonably assume (at least in this case) that most people know Blizzard's reputation, and are able to provide these contrasts themselves...but this does weaken what you're trying to say. And I think you'd find, if you actually looked at what Blizzard was like before the merger, you'd find more commonalities than you think.

Besides that, though, the timeline you provide simply does not support your argument. 3/4ths of the things on the timeline are solely related to Activision and Bobby Kotick, which is great if you're trying to prove that Bobby Kotick is a jerk, but not so good if you're trying to prove that Blizzard are now greedy, uncaring bastards.

Him talking about wanting to mess with Blizzard is better, but still proves nothing, since most of the things he talks about simply haven't happened; which actually works directly against your thesis. There is no in-game advertising; there is pretty much no monetizing of Bnet whatsoever, and the services that Blizzard talks about in another quote are hardly unreasonable.

Oh, and there's the interview with the Activision guy where he talks about how Blizzard is going to operate pretty much as they have before now, and that they're going to be fairly independent. You seem to think the "fairly independent" is some kind of contradiction with the rest of the statement, but if you knew how Blizzard has operated in the past, you wouldn't be. For most of Blizzard's existence, they've been owned by some other corporation; these corporations have varied in the amount they left Blizzard alone and the amount they meddled with her, but they've always been interested in the bottom line, and they've always had some degree of oversight over her. In general, though, Blizzard has been "fairly independent" for quite a long time.

Most of the information you provide, then, is superfluous.

Let's talk, then, about the three or four actual relevant pieces of information you bring up about Blizzard's actions after the merger, information you arrange in such a fashion as to suggest that Blizzard is acting in a greedy or uncaring fashion, with the implication that this is due to Bobby Kotick and Activision: (1)WoW paid stuff. (2): Starcraft 2 being a Trilogy. (3): No LAN (4): Map Marketplace (5): Blizzcon ticket prices being raised (?) (6): Facebook integration.

Let's go through these one by one, shall we?

(1): WoW.

Okay...I'm going to be very clear with this. Adding paid stuff to WoW makes Blizzard money. Blizzard is a corporation, whose main purpose is to make money. These paid things are features, meaning they add some value if used. Features are good, even if they make money for the company who does them; they are especially good if the community wants them. They are only bad when they make money in such a fashion as to directly hurt the gameplay or the community. This is simply not the case here.
Most of these features (such as paid character customization) came about largely at the behest of the community, are used widely by the community, and are generally enjoyed by them. In addition, none of them significantly affect gameplay. Remember: adding features is only a bad thing when it hurts the game or community in some way. Otherwise, it is a good thing. And if it's a feature that the community has asked for, it's a better thing.

Also, linking the use of paid features on WoW to Activision is highly questionable, considering the first of them actually was released a full year before the merger, in 2006.

However, one could, if one wished, link the recent "pet store" and "mount store" stuff to Activision, since it is more gameplay-related than the other features. However, they still do not affect gameplay, are totally cosmetic, and thus are VERY far away from the Kotick-style merchandising of games like Guitar Hero.

Thus, while this example may help you with the thesis that "Blizzard has been affected by the merger," it will not help you with your "Blizzard are greedy bastards" one.

(2): Starcraft 2 as a Trilogy.

I'm going to be honest here. I am utterly sick and tired of people bringing this up as an example of Blizzard being greedy. It is so utterly wrong-headed and has been proven so so many times in so many ways I hardly know where to start. First of all, the other games are expansions, like BW, and will be priced like it. Secondly, the decision was made based on Blizzard's quality standards and in order not to delay the game too much. Thirdly, Blizzard had always, from the beginning of development, planned to have two expansions (probably originally to make up for what they knew would be an extra-long development cycle). Fourthly, Blizzard is jamming more content into each of these games then in the whole of SC1. I don't know how hard it is to get through people's skulls that Blizzard made the decision for the good of the game and the community.
If someone seriously wants to argue that this is an example of Blizzard being greedy, I would be happy to drench him in sources that prove otherwise. Until then, this should suffice.

(3): No LAN.

This is the best example you have. I could say that Blizzard made this decision because they thought it was for the best for the community and the game, but if you've already decided that they're greedy bastards, there's no reason you'd believe them anyway. And in any event, you could still use it as an example of Blizzard being arrogant and not listening to what the community wants. So I will concede this one example to you. Congrats.

(4): Map Marketplace.

The Map Marketplace is a great idea, frankly, and really, really good for the community. It provides one place where you can go to get custom maps, a big showroom for all the talented map-makers out there, and the fact that some (read: very, very few. Blizzard has said that only people who basically create their own game using the engine would get money) of the most talented map-makers out there will get money for doing the equivalent of making their own game using Blizzard's tools is great, and will provide the impetus for many great projects.

The fact that Blizzard is taking a percentage of the money involved is far from excessive, Kotick-style greed; all store sites take some amount of money from sellers in exchange for the notoriety and out-there-ness they're getting. And the fact that the map-makers will be using Blizzard's tools and Blizzard's engines only increases the fairness of the arrangement. And since we don't know how much Blizzard is going to take anyway (and I doubt it's even been decided yet) it's pretty much a moot point.

And the idea that Blizzard thought up this idea as a huge money-maker is somewhat absurd. Setting up and maintaining the system will cost a lot of time and money, and with the rules for "premium maps" that they've given us, I doubt they'll be making a lot of profit off of it. It's not anything near to selling cheap plastic guitars and drum sets.

So, again: adding a feature is not bad. Adding a feature with the intent of making money from that feature is also not bad, so long as it does not deleteriously affect the game or the community. In fact, it is good. The Map Marketplace is a great community tool, thought of with the good of the community in mind, that will also make Blizzard some amount of money. It does not support your thesis.

(6): Blizzcon tickets being raised, and paid DirectTV feed.

I'm not sure if this belongs in here. Putting on Blizzcon is profitable for the company, since it is basically a great deal of advertising that also makes them money. However, it still costs them, and especially the development team, a great deal of time and money to put on, and so to justify it, they basically have to make a fairly large profit off of it. In addition, it provides a great service to the community, is by all accounts a great show, and it's clear everyone at Blizzard is very committed to making it a great experience that is worth the time and money people spend in buying tickets and getting there.

To be honest, raising the ticket price by $25 is pretty minor. Maybe if it were in a list full of slam-dunks, it could work as an additional, minor example to confirm a trend. But as it is, the basic thing stands: Blizzard wants to make a profit off of Blizzcon. This is not a bad thing, since, again, it is a good feature that provides an excellent service to the community. Every year, they have rented bigger and bigger convention halls, trying to get as many people as they can in to answer the demand from the community. The fact that they raised the ticket prices could be for any number of reasons; but primarily, they were hosting more people that year in a larger hall with more extravagent gifts and presentations, including even Ozzy Ozbourne, who couldn't be cheap. So there is at least more content for the raised price.
The DirectTV, is, again, a feature, in that it allows some of the millions of people who tried and failed to get a Blizzcon ticket to sort-of attend, anyway. It costs significantly less than the ticket, but allows people to get the content live. It is a feature that does not harm the community, adds a feature, and makes Blizzard money at the same time. It is a Good.

(6): Facebook integration.

I don't know how clear I need to be on this. It is a feature, which is convenient for some people, and hurts no one else. It probably took a developer five minutes to write the requisite code. It costs nothing.

If this is greed, then I'd sure like to see charity. Adding in stuff about Facebook privacy concerns, with the stupid, conspiracy-theory suggestion that Blizzard is only doing it so they can steal people's personal information does not help your case.


In conclusion, then, your evidence simply does not support your thesis. It does not support the "greedy bastard" conclusion, and does not show a significant link of this to Activision. You have selectively stuck various bits of "evidence" (most of which does not support your thesis) together in such a way as to form a narrative that supports what you had already concluded before you began looking for evidence. It is not convincing.

You also leave out a great deal of evidence that does not support your thesis: namely, the vast majority of Blizzard's actions over the past few years, the entire development cycle of SC2, etc.

For all these reasons, I am not convinced by your thesis in the least.

You have, however, convinced me that Bobby Kotick is evil. Congrats.


P.S: Note that even if you are otherwise unhappy about Blizzard's actions in regards to things like Chat Channels, that does not have much to do with the thesis. Blizzard's reasons for not putting in chat channels have nothing to do with Bobby Kotick; they do not increase profits in the least, they are not a monetization, etc. It's pretty clear that chat channels are a design decision, as said in dozens of interviews. It may be a design decision you don't agree with, it may be a design decision that shows that Blizzard doesn't understand or care about the community like they should...but the causal link between that and Activision is not really there. Unless someone wants to show me otherwise.




this. come on people, the real issues here are things like lan and chat channels, things that blizzard has given clear explanations for. Yes, corporate CEO's whose job is to make as much money as possible are going to sound money hungry... get over it. its not going away.
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woboola
Profile Joined July 2010
8 Posts
August 02 2010 21:09 GMT
#817
On August 03 2010 05:28 wizerd wrote:
this. come on people, the real issues here are things like lan and chat channels, things that blizzard has given clear explanations for. Yes, corporate CEO's whose job is to make as much money as possible are going to sound money hungry... get over it. its not going away.


Pretty much. As long as we live in a capitalistic society, this will always be so. There's worse companies yet, like Microsoft and Comcast, but Activision and Blizzard are still pretty bad. It's not going to get better as long as people support the companies that very openly and obviously treat their customers as if they are nothing. It's that simple. Stop giving these people your money if you want them to change.
wizerd
Profile Joined May 2010
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 21:42:50
August 02 2010 21:37 GMT
#818
also, wth is this crap about piracy?

if you can obtain something that has a price tag, i.e, that is for sale by the owner, and then you obtain it in such a way that you don't pay for it, that is theft. piracy is theft. don't logic around it.
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woboola
Profile Joined July 2010
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 22:30:50
August 02 2010 22:29 GMT
#819
On August 03 2010 06:37 wizerd wrote:
also, wth is this crap about piracy?

if you can obtain something that has a price tag, i.e, that is for sale by the owner, and then you obtain it in such a way that you don't pay for it, that is theft. piracy is theft. don't logic around it.


Oh, right. Silly me. Using logic. How idiotic of me! No, by definition it's not theft, and you didn't even read my post. When you steal from someone (theft), you're TAKING THAT OBJECT AWAY FROM THEM. THEY NO LONGER HAVE IT. When you pirate something, YOU'RE MAKING A COPY. NO ONE HAS LOST ANYTHING. THE PRODUCT THAT YOU'VE PIRATED IS IN AN INFINITE QUANTITY AND WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF COPIES. Nothing is being stolen, and even if piracy is illegal, there's nothing truly wrong with it. How many times do I have to address these issues?

Again (what is this, the third time?), you might say that they are 'stealing' the authors potential profits, but that's illogical because you have no idea if the pirate was going to buy the product if they were unable to pirate it (and I don't know many that would). It's also illogical because if impeding on someones potential profits was illegal, competition between businesses in general would be illegal (you'd be 'stealing potential profits' away from your competitors). Also, informing other people of bad/poorly made products would be illegal (you might take away their 'potential profits'!).

In short: When you pirate something, no one loses anything, the statistics that certain groups come up with in regards to the amount of piracy are completely made up (too difficult to accuracy track how many pirates there really are), it's illogical to state that if someone pirates something then that can be counted as a lost sale, and it's completely illogical and idiot to state that 'stealing potential profits' should be illegal.
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-03 04:45:45
August 03 2010 04:45 GMT
#820
Here I brought you guys something worthwhile to talk about. Enjoy.

Analyst: Activision Could Announce Subscription Plans For CoD, StarCraft II By Year's End


Activision's new software has been weak at retail and it's once-vital music game business is no longer performing -- but some $60 million in potential Modern Warfare DLC sales during its first fiscal quarter may point to online business as the publisher's best revenue gold mine. And that means subscriptions are coming up, says Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter.

"Activision could grow earnings meaningfully by monetizing Modern Warfare 2 online multiplayer," says Pachter. "We estimate that the number of hours spent playing MW2 online is roughly 4 billion combined on Xbox Live and PSN, suggesting a large revenue opportunity. We expect the company to announce plans to monetize online multiplayer content in MW, Black Ops, StarCraft II and other games before year-end."

Such a move could explode the company's share price; "investors attribute high value to recurring revenue," says Pachter. And the impact of the drama and instability surrounding the Call of Duty brand and the Infinity Ward studio seems to have passed, he adds -- "most of the
negative news (including the Infinity Ward departures) is behind the company," he notes.

Late last week came predictions from another analyst, Janco Partners' Mike Hickey, that Activision could soon try out a subscription model for Modern Warfare in China -- and in so doing, create $50-$100 million in first-year sales for Chinese online partner Netease.

Activision has never directly stated plans for a subscription service for the game in either China or the West, but the company's stance on pursuing online monetization options has always been forthright; CEO Bobby Kotick has estimated 70 percent of the company's operating profit comes from "non-console-based video games."


http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29704/Analyst_Activision_Could_Announce_Subscription_Plans_For_CoD_StarCraft_II_By_Years_End.php


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