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On May 29 2010 21:33 Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:21 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 21:08 Paramore wrote:On May 29 2010 20:47 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 20:26 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote:
are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...?
seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game...
you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? tl is a sc e-sport community I wonder if Paramore has even played BW for more than a few games (if even that). I've played hundreds of BW games... iccup as well.. my statement was meant to make aware that useless threads like these do nothing and imply that people that boycott the game most of the time don't actually boycott it. Go ahead though, don't buy it, see if I care. There are better ways to "protest" than threatening to not buy a game. Such as? Posting on feedback forum really does help. Look at the thread right now titled "small ray of hope" that talks about how chat will probably be implemented later for clans and groups... Posting a thread here that is constructive on sites like team liquid help. Not boycott petitions, these type of threads are trash. Playing the game and sending crash reports and reporting exact situations on how game crashes. This is an example of how to help build a more stable crash-free game. Not necessarily talking about the exact functions you want. Cross-realm play was also mentioned to be a goal to be implemented in the future. Even though its low priority, at least they are already planning on doing it. Have fun playing sc1 while most of us play sc2 though. I am sure you won't be missed since there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people in each region to play against. . .
We have been doing that the past month and what is blizzard's attitude? 'Do you really want chat channels?'
What else can we do after knowing that they don't listen to a word we say and only care about their pockets?
And obviously, you are not planning on being a competitive player. Well I am not either and that is no problem for me but for competitive players that is a huge must. They basically won't be able to participate in other servers tournament or cross server tournaments unless they buy 3 copies of the game. Also, since the metagame in each server is different it is impossible to play at the highest level without practicing cross-realm.
This highlights the problem better than I can explain it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128027
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I think a lot of people are overreacting here. "OMG I have to buy 9 clients to play professionally? Noes!" I mean what is that? How many of you are playing "professionally"? I know TL has a LOT of good players who will compete and play professionally, but I seriously dont think this will affect many others then perhaps the top 200 people. And I see this as clearly a problem for them, but the rest of us will never play professionally, yet we keep whining as if we all will have to buy tons of games to play.
They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened?
- Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server
- Changing servers
- Faction change
- Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch)
- Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion)
These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have).
Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions?
Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended!
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On May 29 2010 21:46 Clearout wrote:
I think a lot of people are overreacting here. "OMG I have to buy 9 clients to play professionally? Noes!" I mean what is that? How many of you are playing "professionally"? I know TL has a LOT of good players who will compete and play professionally, but I seriously dont think this will affect many others then perhaps the top 200 people. And I see this as clearly a problem for them, but the rest of us will never play professionally, yet we keep whining as if we all will have to buy tons of games to play.
They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened?
- Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server
- Changing servers
- Faction change
- Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch)
- Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion)
These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have).
Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions?
Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended!
No, it is not a problem only for those who want to play competitively. There are also people who have friends in other regions of the world and with whom they want to be able to casually play a game with.
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On May 29 2010 21:38 Lightwip wrote:
Wow, this post shows just how badly Blizzard failed. Almost 50% no on a forum that pretty much should be filled with SC/Blizzard fanboys who defend all of Blizzard's actions at every turn(which has happened). That's just insanely bad.
Blizzard dont fail...
They expect 12 millons people that gonna buy the game.
If only 10 thousand (in best of cases and probably dreaming alot) saying that dont gonna buy the game is not so big for Blizzard.
What for me is sad is that the gamers that true lovely BW, Blizzard ignore us, just because they want more profit insteand of speding a litle more to make b.net 2.0 a better place.
The only away to make Blizzard change is mind is making the other gamers, from wc3, wow, diablo, c&c and other gamers, act "against" this bullshit that blizzard is doing.
And that is almost impossible.....
Money > WE
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Will buy it. The multiplayer is fun, the UMS is fun (and will obviously get better) and the single player looks to be great.
There are some major (really major) issues with Bnet 2.0, but they are not enough to keep me from having lots of fun with the game. And I have never been interested in boycotting stuff on sheer principle.
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On May 29 2010 21:45 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:33 Paramore wrote:On May 29 2010 21:21 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 21:08 Paramore wrote:On May 29 2010 20:47 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 20:26 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote:
are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...?
seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game...
you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? tl is a sc e-sport community I wonder if Paramore has even played BW for more than a few games (if even that). I've played hundreds of BW games... iccup as well.. my statement was meant to make aware that useless threads like these do nothing and imply that people that boycott the game most of the time don't actually boycott it. Go ahead though, don't buy it, see if I care. There are better ways to "protest" than threatening to not buy a game. Such as? Posting on feedback forum really does help. Look at the thread right now titled "small ray of hope" that talks about how chat will probably be implemented later for clans and groups... Posting a thread here that is constructive on sites like team liquid help. Not boycott petitions, these type of threads are trash. Playing the game and sending crash reports and reporting exact situations on how game crashes. This is an example of how to help build a more stable crash-free game. Not necessarily talking about the exact functions you want. Cross-realm play was also mentioned to be a goal to be implemented in the future. Even though its low priority, at least they are already planning on doing it. Have fun playing sc1 while most of us play sc2 though. I am sure you won't be missed since there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people in each region to play against. . . We have been doing that the past month and what is blizzard's attitude? 'Do you really want chat channels?' What else can we do after knowing that they don't listen to a word we say and only care about their pockets? And obviously, you are not planning on being a competitive player. Well I am not either and that is no problem for me but for competitive players that is a huge must. They basically won't be able to participate in other servers tournament or cross server tournaments unless they buy 3 copies of the game. Also, since the metagame in each server is different it is impossible to play at the highest level without practicing cross-realm. This highlights the problem better than I can explain it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128027
Your post is flawed for so many reasons already.
1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing.
2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will.
3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true.
I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either.
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On May 29 2010 21:46 Clearout wrote:
I think a lot of people are overreacting here. "OMG I have to buy 9 clients to play professionally? Noes!" I mean what is that? How many of you are playing "professionally"? I know TL has a LOT of good players who will compete and play professionally, but I seriously dont think this will affect many others then perhaps the top 200 people. And I see this as clearly a problem for them, but the rest of us will never play professionally, yet we keep whining as if we all will have to buy tons of games to play.
They have said they have no plans for chat rooms. But they will come, in one way or another as long as we keep nagging about it. Just take WoW as an example. How many things which they said they would never incorporate into their game have happened?
- Making characters on boths factions on a PvP server
- Changing servers
- Faction change
- Cross server / faction chat with facebook ofc (coming the next content patch)
- Flying in the original world (comes with the expansion)
These are just some examples off the top of my head, but I think you get my point. Stop screaming as if the sky is falling before the actual game comes out and give the people working on it time to do things which are arguably less important. Things that the community want will eventually come through in some of the content patches (which they have already said they would have).
Another thing, who is to say the invite only proleague wont have normal rankings and not divisions?
Have hope people, the sky has not fallen yet, we see but the cracks, which can still be mended!
you need to pay for change server and most of the thing you listed , and seriously just... just...
go back to wow ( yeah i have say that )
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lol almost 50/50 on an SC fan site, not good...
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On May 29 2010 21:38 Lightwip wrote:
Wow, this post shows just how badly Blizzard failed. Almost 50% no on a forum that pretty much should be filled with SC/Blizzard fanboys who defend all of Blizzard's actions at every turn(which has happened). That's just insanely bad.
50% are lying to make a point.
They are upset, they think telling Blizzard they won't be buying the game will change Blizzards mind.
If you care enough to make a passionate post about it then you are obviously buying the game.
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many people care and post here and will not buy the game .
just because you accept everything dont mean everyone like you k ?
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god no
with all the crap blizz has spewed lately.
DO YOU REALLY WANT CHAT ROOMS? YES I DO STUPID
not worth 60 bucks. ill pirate the game for single player tho
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On May 29 2010 22:00 Opinion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:38 Lightwip wrote:
Wow, this post shows just how badly Blizzard failed. Almost 50% no on a forum that pretty much should be filled with SC/Blizzard fanboys who defend all of Blizzard's actions at every turn(which has happened). That's just insanely bad. 50% are lying to make a point. They are upset, they think telling Blizzard they won't be buying the game will change Blizzards mind. If you care enough to make a passionate post about it then you are obviously buying the game.
Your logic is a little shaky there.
I've made numerous posts about my discontent, and will in fact not be buying SC2.
Your logic applied says, "If I hate a game, but care enough to say how much I hate it in hopes of the product improving, I'm surely going to buy it anyways even if nothing changes."
What.
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I will buy it because I still enjoy playing the game despite is faults. I still have hopes that Blizzard actually wants to make the game better and will eventually get there.
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I think not straight away as I was planning to do. I'm prolly gonna wait about an year till the mofos from Blizzard realize that they don't have to turn into EA ! If they keep acting all bossy and stuff, well, there's always Brood War.
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Id buy SC2 any day of the week, its a great game.
BNET 2.0 however is TERRIBLE. It hurts my soul to see how bad blizzard was at designing it, apparently the fired every1 who worked on wc3. The single player should still be fun, its pitiful that I have to log on to bnet2.0 though and see that monstrosity every time I want to play.
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If I can't play cross-realm I'm gonna pirate the shit out of SC2.
Flame me all you want but I'm not paying for a sandboxed and segregationist system encouraging corporate greed and programmer laziness over community enjoyment of a product.
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On May 29 2010 22:03 Oddysay wrote:
many people care and post here and will not buy the game .
just because you accept everything dont mean everyone like you k ?
It's just historical evidence of boycotts is setting off my BS detector.
Oh, and following any Blizzard game in development. this happens 100% of the time.
Blizzard strays from the path, the community claims they are boycotting, they don't boycott, and the vocal community eventually gets their way anyway.
At this point having 10,000 players refrain from playing will do absolutely nothing.
BUT, having those 10,000 buy the game and then constantly, with out letting up put pressure on Blizzard, post numerous times, make constant videos and rally the players to make these changes it will actually make a difference and Blizzard will eventually give in.
Pretend you won't buy it, it makes you look cool on TL forums and there is no shame in wanting to look cool and jaded, it is a common desire on the internet to look all hardcore, but its all BS and you know it.
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On May 29 2010 21:52 Paramore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 21:45 Nemesis wrote:On May 29 2010 21:33 Paramore wrote:On May 29 2010 21:21 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 21:08 Paramore wrote:On May 29 2010 20:47 Squeegy wrote:On May 29 2010 20:26 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:On May 29 2010 16:00 Paramore wrote:
are you honestly saying you wouldnt... like honestly boycott them? ... honestly? ... cause if you do boycott them why are you still posting here? am i right? like... teamliquid.net is the main community of sc2.. are u saying u are going to not buy their game but still create the 10th thread bitching about this...?
seroiusly who honestly won't buy the game as it is now? even if its a pain in the ass to cross-realm and talk to people via party-chat... people will still buy this game...
you aren't doing any job by boycotting and if you really are boycotting you aren't really part of this community anymore are you? so then what would be the point in posting this... again...? tl is a sc e-sport community I wonder if Paramore has even played BW for more than a few games (if even that). I've played hundreds of BW games... iccup as well.. my statement was meant to make aware that useless threads like these do nothing and imply that people that boycott the game most of the time don't actually boycott it. Go ahead though, don't buy it, see if I care. There are better ways to "protest" than threatening to not buy a game. Such as? Posting on feedback forum really does help. Look at the thread right now titled "small ray of hope" that talks about how chat will probably be implemented later for clans and groups... Posting a thread here that is constructive on sites like team liquid help. Not boycott petitions, these type of threads are trash. Playing the game and sending crash reports and reporting exact situations on how game crashes. This is an example of how to help build a more stable crash-free game. Not necessarily talking about the exact functions you want. Cross-realm play was also mentioned to be a goal to be implemented in the future. Even though its low priority, at least they are already planning on doing it. Have fun playing sc1 while most of us play sc2 though. I am sure you won't be missed since there will be literally hundreds of thousands of people in each region to play against. . . We have been doing that the past month and what is blizzard's attitude? 'Do you really want chat channels?' What else can we do after knowing that they don't listen to a word we say and only care about their pockets? And obviously, you are not planning on being a competitive player. Well I am not either and that is no problem for me but for competitive players that is a huge must. They basically won't be able to participate in other servers tournament or cross server tournaments unless they buy 3 copies of the game. Also, since the metagame in each server is different it is impossible to play at the highest level without practicing cross-realm. This highlights the problem better than I can explain it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128027 Your post is flawed for so many reasons already. 1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing. 2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will. 3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true. I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either.
So, suppose we make thoughtful posts about this issue on BNET forums. Do you think Blizzard will change their minds? If yes, what reason do you have to think they will? If not, why shouldn't we continue what we are doing here?
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On May 29 2010 21:52 Paramore wrote:
Your post is flawed for so many reasons already.
1st of all I already to plan on being competetive. However thats not what we are discussing.
2nd of all, meta game is different for each individual, being on a different server won't help you with your meta-game. Watching replays and thinking and doing research on your opponent will.
3rdly Blizzard has stated that they have heard us. Just b/c they hear us doesn't mean they'll do everything we want them to do. Yeah, they are the ones that made this possible in the first place, but at least they are listening at all. So many games get made with zero-input from users. We've already seen tons of blizzard implementing what we want. Just b/c they won't come out with it right from the get-go doesn't mean what we want won't come true.
Yes, they hear us but they're not listening to us. Hearing and listening is different.
I waited 10 years for this game, i don't mind waiting another 6 months for chat-channels and an entire year for cross-realm play. Sure I'll miss out on some international tournaments, but I'll be plenty competetive in America. Besides, if I surpass that point, I have a job and can afford 10 copies of Starcraft if I really wanted to since I'd be winning cash tournaments, I'm sure I wont need a job to supplement it either.
I don't mind waiting another 6 months IF they really plan to introduce chat channels and listen to whatever else the community is pointing out to them. Until then I won't buy the game.
How well do you think you're going to do against people who have had experience from other servers?
If you really want to understand the advantage of competitiveness in cross server play, just think of it like this: You practice against the same person all the time. You beat him with your new build that no one has used before and he can't seem to find a way to beat it. Then you play in a tournament and you got owned badly by people who practiced against people of different servers where that strategy you 'invented' has been figured out by them and countered a long time ago(that is why no one uses it) but of course you did not know that as you have no access to the other servers.
Edit: Also don't kid yourself with winning cash tournaments. Only the top 0.00000001% make money by winning cash tournaments.
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On May 29 2010 15:58 konadora wrote:
I'm gonna buy it just to play the campaign and UMS.
This man sums it up nicely.
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