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Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
March 19 2010 19:10 GMT
#261
Ouch, well played though very abusive by Lucifron, not nearly as fun to watch as his other games Luceifron's control was so good (Not very well exemplified with Terran air).
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#262
That harass was very very good. Way too many overlords and Dimaga pretty much was waiting there for the inevitable end that the hydras would face against the million-hellions lol. I'm sad Zerg lost, but really happy with the skill level Lucifron is showing (It's not LUCIFER!!)
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
March 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#263
next it's naugrim vs nazgul
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
March 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#264
yeah they've been doing it every game. the earliest i've seen them get in is before the pool was done after a 14-15 hatch
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#265
Showed once again why I think that Dimaga's bo is very risky.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Viperskwa
Profile Joined July 2009
United States106 Posts
March 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#266
I've been watching on and off from the start. Have they done the english part yet for the beta keys? Have I missed it?
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
March 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#267
Why didnt dimaga take down rocks, or simply stop mining from that base. 9 range vikings> overlords.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
March 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#268
Now let's cheer for the TL rep Nazgul!
Nevius
Profile Joined February 2010
Switzerland72 Posts
March 19 2010 19:12 GMT
#269
Wow nice strategys by lucifron!
Nevius
Profile Joined February 2010
Switzerland72 Posts
March 19 2010 19:13 GMT
#270
On March 20 2010 04:12 Viperskwa wrote:
I've been watching on and off from the start. Have they done the english part yet for the beta keys? Have I missed it?


They talked about it multiple times in english. (inbetween games)
MagicUnicorn
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium47 Posts
March 19 2010 19:13 GMT
#271
mh its nice to watch games from the beginning, but they tell u if the did something strange
and there is no really a need to watch the standard bos, or?
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
March 19 2010 19:14 GMT
#272
On March 20 2010 04:09 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 04:08 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Why didn't he kill the rocks blocking the path to his cliff ;O

It sucks they don't show the full game, but looked like Lucifron played well.

i dont even think he knows they exist there

man i hope a terran wins the final, would be awesome

LOL sure dimaga is one of the very top sc2 zergs and he doesnt know therer are rocks to his cliff on Kulas Ravine...
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Fogul
Profile Joined July 2009
United Kingdom179 Posts
March 19 2010 19:14 GMT
#273
wish the stream worked for me :/
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
March 19 2010 19:15 GMT
#274
On March 20 2010 04:12 Pekkz wrote:
Why didnt dimaga take down rocks, or simply stop mining from that base. 9 range vikings> overlords.

because zerg users r the new toss users, spoiled by the strength of their race that they dont understand they should sometimes respect and take sacrifices by his opponents build order
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
March 19 2010 19:16 GMT
#275
W3 vs SC final <3
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 19:17:55
March 19 2010 19:17 GMT
#276
On March 20 2010 04:02 MorroW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2010 04:00 cyclone25 wrote:
So how do you know the terran is going banshees, other than guessing? Scouting is hard, since the ramp is blocked, and ovies don't have any speed till lair. Going spore crawlers without scouting the banshees, is risky because he can marine/marauder push you -_-

he just need to get lair relatively fast, the distance will allow him to survive against any attack easily

he can just pool,hatch,queen,lair,baneling nest,hydra nest and he will survive against anything

obviously he should just do this tech tree if he scouts no expo from t with the lings

u can just peak into the terran base with the overlord if he wanted, 1 marine or something by then by the wallin, no chance to kill it before it gets out again


I don't think I have ever seen you do a hellion opening morrow (I'm sure you've tried it sometime, but not extensively). A zerg can't be too greedy teching or the hellions will do irreversible damage. It's a guessing game of sorts for the Z. That's why at first I had such trouble playing against you. My mind set was too defensive from playing blind against all these gay hellion variation builds without being able to scout shit. Nowadays when I'm not able to scout you I just guess you're FE:ing (and it usually turns out to be right).

On a related note, I don't think I have ever seen lucifron not do a hellion opening. So against him I guess he's gonna do hellion every game. The hard part is knowing whether he transitions into an expo, banshees, or keeps pumping hellions. You basically gotta guess. If you don't guess right you're either too far behind on economy, too far behind on tech, or you have too few units to be able to defend.
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
March 19 2010 19:19 GMT
#277
Lucifron played intelligently to win and it seems Dimaga didn't make the right decisions, but what if it was another map with no cliff over the natural's minerals? I'm guessing it would have gone to the usual macro game with Zerg getting an unstoppable, simple to micro army. Given that Lucifron won the second game with a gimmicky build I don't think this result is evidence that Terran is even with Zerg balance-wise at the highest level. And even if they are even, it seems like it is a lot easier to play Zerg, viz.:
-Dimaga building hydras that beat hellions despite hellions being a semi-counter to them
-Dimaga expanding excessively without fear (remember the Zotac cup where he lost a hatchery to a rush every game yet still came out on top
-General lack of micro for Zerg units versus Terran (all Terran units in the matchup seem to be hit-and-run based, the need to target and avoid banelings etc., whereas Zerg seem to be just mass a-move, though admittedly Dimaga pulled off some very nice surrounds in the Zotac cup)
-Relative unimportance of positioning for Zerg: zerglings move so fast on creep it is easy to move between and defend the many expansions you'd have, Dimaga exploits this more than others with creep tumors

I don't have beta so perhaps this is all ignorant speculation.
Dacendoran
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States825 Posts
March 19 2010 19:20 GMT
#278
On March 20 2010 04:14 Fogul wrote:
wish the stream worked for me :/

http://www.justin.tv/dacendoran
I'm streaming the stream at the same quality that the low quality stream is (Obviously it's not exactly the same quality but I'm stream above the Kbps that the stream is so I don't lose too much of the quality)
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 19 2010 19:22 GMT
#279
Sad that everyone will be like "Terran isn't underpowered" when LucifroNNN wins-_-
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Bane_
Profile Joined October 2005
United Kingdom494 Posts
March 19 2010 19:23 GMT
#280
<3 Force-field walls.
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