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United States606 Posts
On March 12 2010 01:33 StarsPride wrote: I dont see nukes being worth it atm. everyone plays 2 base so basically you have to spend alot of minerals/gas that could kill your midgame fight.. you get EMP vs. protoss as it is. So you pay 100/100 and you have a nuke. Very worth it. | ||
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Antimage
Canada1293 Posts
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CandleJack
United States104 Posts
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BentoBox
Canada303 Posts
Anyways, it has a 20x20 AoE. Deals 500 in the center, 8x8, 350 16x16 and 275 20x20. With 24 scvs on your minerals and 6 on gas (fully saturated), you gain about 300mins and 100gas. This is the amount of resources your opponent would more or less lose if you were to target his mineral line (by aiming @ the center of his Command center). Now seeing as your opponent will target the location of your nuke without fault, trying to kill SCVs in such a manner would be a foolish attempt. As long as you keep the CC in the 8x8 radius, you will still be inflicting the full 500, so you should be aiming it slightly less than 1 CC distance away, as to target as many production buildings as possible. The nuke threat will still force him to retract his SCVs from gathering, and you get to deal more damage with your nukes! Also, if you go for a nuke rush, by researching cloak too, and making one or two ghosts early so that they can sit on about 150 energy, you can EMP their CC(s) to strip their energy and if they do not have any turrets/ravens/ghosts, they'll be forced to eat the nuke! (I think  ) | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On March 29 2010 22:46 BentoBox wrote: Actually, according to this thread: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038425683&sid=5000, you can simply press space bar and you will be redirected to the landing site of the nuke. No need to look for it at all =/ I do realize this is an old thread but its the only thread discussing Nuke mechanics and thought this was important enough to warrant a bump holy shit I didn't know this. | ||
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CandleJack
United States104 Posts
On March 29 2010 23:22 BentoBox wrote: I assume they would, but I have no way to test that by myself~ Anyways, it has a 20x20 AoE. Deals 500 in the center, 8x8, 350 16x16 and 275 20x20. With 24 scvs on your minerals and 6 on gas (fully saturated), you gain about 300mins and 100gas. This is the amount of resources your opponent would more or less lose if you were to target his mineral line (by aiming @ the center of his Command center). Now seeing as your opponent will target the location of your nuke without fault, trying to kill SCVs in such a manner would be a foolish attempt. As long as you keep the CC in the 8x8 radius, you will still be inflicting the full 500, so you should be aiming it slightly less than 1 CC distance away, as to target as many production buildings as possible. The nuke threat will still force him to retract his SCVs from gathering, and you get to deal more damage with your nukes! Also, if you go for a nuke rush, by researching cloak too, and making one or two ghosts so that they can sit on about 150 energy, you can EMP their CC(s) to strip their energy and they do not have any turrets/ravens/ghosts, they'll be forced to eat the nuke! (I think )Wow that's a really great point. I guess there's really no reason to drop the nuke right on the CC when the radius is so big. And you can EMP CCs? wow. That's incredible. Thanks for the info. I guess i assumed EMP only worked on units. This makes me want to try some sort of emp harass vs terran to keep them from MULEing. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On March 12 2010 00:03 sysrpl wrote: I screen capped a recent replay for you. This is what a nuke looks like: ![[image loading]](http://cache.codebot.org/nuke.jpg) this is the single sickeset screenshot from sc2 check out the flaming ovie on the left?! | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3996 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
On March 29 2010 22:46 BentoBox wrote: Actually, according to this thread: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24038425683&sid=5000, you can simply press space bar and you will be redirected to the landing site of the nuke. No need to look for it at all =/ I do realize this is an old thread but its the only thread discussing Nuke mechanics and thought this was important enough to warrant a bump wwwwowowowowowowWOWOw that is amazing! nice find dude also that screenshot up there is nuts - is that actually an in-game screenshot? i can't tell because i play on super low graphics, so nothing looks remotely close to that good | ||
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milo
116 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:06 wintergt wrote: Can anyone confirm you can find the nuke with spacebar? That's pretty retarded.. Yep.. I certainly hope this wasn't intentional on Blizzard's part. Cause if it was, talk about dumbing the game down to the next level. Other than that, nukes do seem somewhat useful. In 1 replay TheLittleOne randomly nuked an expansion and even though opponent moved away his probes, he also accidently moved in 3 observers and they got killed. And funnily that was cost effective. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:02 milo wrote: If space finds the nuke for you, doesn't that make nukes essentially useless? The nuke timing window is iirc 20, if you can find it instantly, that's all the time in the world. The window is 14 seconds, you aren't playing on the normal setting are you now? | ||
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:22 MidKnight wrote: Yep.. I certainly hope this wasn't intentional on Blizzard's part. Cause if it was, talk about dumbing the game down to the next level. Other than that, nukes do seem somewhat useful. In 1 replay TheLittleOne randomly nuked an expansion and even though opponent moved away his probes, he also accidently moved in 3 observers and they got killed. And funnily that was cost effective. You're missing another excellent use by TLO of nukes in the same game.. Later on when his opponent was used to getting hit, he launched one at the expansion and at the same time put a few hellions between that expansion and the main.. When the probes go running out away from the nuke they ran directly into hellion fire and not a single one survived. It was beautiful. | ||
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milo
116 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:34 Klockan3 wrote: The window is 14 seconds, you aren't playing on the normal setting are you now? I'm just going off Liquipedia | ||
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ocho
United States172 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:34 Klockan3 wrote: Spacebar always made you go to the nuke, even in starcraft 1. Haha what | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On March 30 2010 00:06 wintergt wrote: Can anyone confirm you can find the nuke with spacebar? That's pretty retarded.. That would indeed e pretty retarded and a great way to ruin some nice content in the game! Its like removing stealth from DT's or something; completly ruin a unit. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
The 20s is on "fast", but everyone plays on "faster". And I bet TLO wouldn't have tried to nuke the protoss army a few times if he had known his attacks could just be spacebar'd. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
You have got to be joking me... I wish I knew about that... Honestly though I don't think it makes nukes any less powerful. Even without knowing about the spacebar thing I easily moved all of my drones/units out of the way for just about every single nuke ever used against me. Just the fact that people have to pull workers makes it effective. | ||
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