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Sweden33719 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:27 GG.Win wrote:
I disagree with his Terran statement regarding Fast Exposing.
First of all, Protoss will abuse the shit out of your bunkers blinking around ledges and into your main. Secondly, nearly all zergs are doing very aggressive attacks with roach/hydra/ling/baneling combinations, and it would be nearly suicide trying to 1rax FE.
That's about all I have to say about that.
I think FE seems ok TvZ. But 1 rax FE TvP... Ehhh, I mean define 1 rax FE? I think you can maybe do it after some reaper pressure, or on Kulas Ravine (float). But I think you'll die on say Steppes of War, and it will be really difficult to hold something like the forward pylon->warp-in rush stuff.
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United States7166 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:27 GG.Win wrote:
I disagree with his Terran statement regarding Fast Exposing.
First of all, Protoss will abuse the shit out of your bunkers blinking around ledges and into your main. Secondly, nearly all zergs are doing very aggressive attacks with roach/hydra/ling/baneling combinations, and it would be nearly suicide trying to 1rax FE.
That's about all I have to say about that.
i dont know about vs protoss but vs zerg, at least on some maps, i believe the best is to do some kind of FE build, not necessarily 1 rax but getting an expansion has to be the way to go, 1 base builds just is too weak vs strong zerg players
i have to completely agree with Check that even here on US ladder where almost no terrans exist on the top of the ladder, it's because theyre doing it wrong, at least vs my zerg
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oh hey LOL what do you know!? i swear I did not see this interview until after i wrote this post
YGosu: Oh, then you’re an Elite YGosu-er. In the spirit of our website, spit some truth.
Zenio: Well in that case, Terran is strong, but no one knows how to use them.
YGosu: Wow, a pretty strong statement there. So you mean the players aren’t used to the new Terran yet? Or that all the Terran users are chobos?
Zenio: I mean… I think so far that a lot of Warcraft III players are playing Starcraft II. They’re trying too hard to play the game like Warcraft III. How should I say this… they focus too much on microing units with special abilities, or trying to fight major battles with an army they’ve saved up. That’s not Starcraft. You have to make stuff quickly, burn through it quickly, and expand all the while. The Warcraft III players like to play off one base and complete their unit combinations.
YGosu: So you mean they are too passive, and too focused on battles?
Zenio: I’ve tried Terran a little bit, and it seems like going 1 barracks expand is good, just like Starcraft: Broodwar. No one uses this build though. I think resource oriented play is good.
YGosu: Most people seem to think that it’s very difficult to protect a fast expansion in Starcraft II, but you think Terran can pull it off?
Zenio: Yes, of course. If you scout them trying to attack you early, you can defend easily by building bunkers in time. If you defend a rush, then obviously you’re ahead. I think Terran can be very strong if they expand followed with a well timed attack, like Starcraft: BW.
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Check have always been one of my favourite night elves, hopefully he'll do well in sc2
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Thanks again for this interview 
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Thanks for the interview!
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Interesting how Zenio believes people should be playing this game more like BW while Check thinks the opposite. I'd have to agree with Zenio that FE builds will become the staple in the near future (once people figure out how to defend correctly and efficiently).
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On February 25 2010 05:27 ArC_man wrote:
Interesting how Zenio believes people should be playing this game more like BW while Check thinks the opposite. I'd have to agree with Zenio that FE builds will become the staple in the near future (once people figure out how to defend correctly and efficiently).
I tend to agree with Check here. One of the main reasons that expo builds were so effective in SC1 was that defending and turtling was 100x easier. But now with all the various ways that each race can move around the map and whatnot, I plain and simply don't ever see SC2 being as expansion friendly as SC1. If anything, I would attribute Korea's tendency towards expanding as a result of being stuck in the ways of SC1, and Korean players in general probably not being as aggressive as Western players.
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While it's true that defending a fast expo is hard vs. 1-base attacks, if you *are* able to pull it off somehow you're so vastly ahead of your opponent that you just win the game by having a ton of stuff. Defending a 1fact FE in TvP in BW was pretty tough if your opponent did some serious early pressure or a well-timed bulldog, but it was certainly possible with good enough building placement / unit positioning / defensive micro, and if once you defended the game was over (usually). Whether it'll be possible to come up with a reasonable defensible FE build order in SC2 remains to be seen, but if it is discovered to be possible then I'd expect it to start to dominate trends and become standard.
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Australia70 Posts
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but by the look of it a lot of the current sc2 ladder maps don't exactly make it easy on anyone trying to FE. It feels like it's more the maps stopping players from FE'ing rather than builds/placement.
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Anyone know the link to his stream? I'd love to see it.
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On February 25 2010 02:12 frequency wrote:
Asians give the most boring interview answers.
Interesting stuff though, I can't wait to see Asia vs Europe vs America.
vs Australia >:o
New game, we might get some new Legionnaires, mOOn-GLaDes and PhilBots :D
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war3 player dominating the scene atm, that's just bs comon BW gamers go take him, i will definitely try when i get the sc2beta
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Zenio's interview was much more interesting and I would way rather have a beer with him. Check gave boring, simple, predictable answers.
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