Favorite SC1 unit conversion concerns - Page 4

On February 07 2010 23:23 lolaloc wrote:

The Protoss Archon in Broodwar had "Cleave" right?

On February 09 2010 03:06 Wire wrote:
^must he turn pink when hes firing?

On February 07 2010 23:08 Archaic wrote:
I don't really like the whole "ability" concept in attacking. In BW, all abilities are supplemental, but with abilities like Cleave, it just doesn't feel right, to use an ability in order to kill things faster, as directly as it seems right now (I guess similar to Lunge for zealots).

On February 09 2010 02:30 Shiladie wrote:
What I want from blizzard is a defined intended role for each of the 3 T3 zerg units.
Right now this is what I get from them:

Lurker:
Anti small ground units, eating them up with splash
siege ability with range upgrade
countered by air, siege tanks, thors (dunno if any of the P ground counters them)

Ultra:
Anti small ground units, eating them up with cleave and high armour
Siege ability with headbutt damage vs buildings
Countered by air, siege tanks, thors (dunno if any of the P ground counters them)

Broodlord:
Anti large ground units, eating them up with mantaling surround
Siege ability because of long range
countered by air and thors protected by some small-ground

bit of a trend here?
yes it's simplified, but it gets the point across, (and thors are still a stupid unit)

edit:
I realised it may be a bit harsh on the thor, so here's my reasoning for the counters spelled out

lurkers:
anything with a large amount of health taking up a large space by definition will role over lurkers unless you've got massively overwhelming numbers

ultras:
thor = the spelled out perfect counter, as they use their 500 damage + stun retardo rockets to essentially nullify your ultras

Broodlord:
thor has the same GTA range as the broodlord ATG range (or more), so just keep a few marines or w/e to clean up the mantalings being spawned, and keep the thors target firing the broodlords. The main advantage of broodlords is how hard it is to advance into range of to attack them with ground, because of all the manta-ling fodder being thrown between you and them, not an issue with thors.

On February 07 2010 06:19 Quixoticism wrote:
There are some things that definitely have their similarities. (cmon, propellers in space?)

The first StarCraft was criticized for looking like Warcraft in space and then they made some changes, why can't it happen again?
And I'm not saying I hate the game, SC2 is my #1 game I'm looking forward to. I can't wait to play it. I just think there are a few things that can be made to feel more like StarCraft.

I also think that the Viking would become alot cooler if they reversed how it worked and had GtA and AtG only attacks. It would help them fill the role of the goliath with the mobility of going into air mode with a weak Wraith-like AtG attack.

On February 07 2010 03:35 Bash wrote:
I'm really missing the spider mine, as they really defined Starcraft for me in many ways. Without them I can't see the same awesome positional strategy that happens in TvP (and in a less awesome way in TvT) happening in SC2 and I fear it'll turn into just another "here's a bunch of guys of this race and here's a bunch of guys of this race, now let's watch them run at eachother" matchup we see in every RTS known to man. I want terran to be slow but also able to cover a ton of ground.