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Spartan
United States2030 Posts
The #StarCraft2 map team has created some new exciting 1v1 maps. This one encourages a mobile force. http://bit.ly/6QBJXe Source: http://twitter.com/StarCraft/status/6901290769 ![[image loading]](http://www.starcraft2.com/images/news/SCIIMap-%282%29TwistedPeak.jpg) I actually really like this map (maybe someone could make a SC version of it), or maybe the 3D-ness is just getting to me. Either way I'm really impressed with what the SC2 map team has been coming up with. | ||
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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EximoSua
171 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:05 EximoSua wrote: Blue Storm! Not really... I think it'd be better if there was a path around the cliff (unless there already is, but it doesnt look like it) that overlooks the uh, third? Top right and bottom left spots~ It does look pretty cramped; the expansions are spaced way too close IMO | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:02 Sentient66 wrote: It looks too small to me. I don't want to make any criticisms because I haven't played SC2, but if this were an SC1 map, I'd be pretty disappointed. Not enough room to set up a good flank as zerg, and it looks very linear to me. Seems like it would favor terran in SC1. Ya, in sc1 this would definitely favour tanks. I think the map looks pretty interesting. I would like to see how a game plays out on the map. Next br hopefully? | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
honestly theres a lot of space not used well, what's with the northeast/southwest corners just being empty. not enough expos to be interesting either, i would say they should put an "island" expo in that low ground that's not being used that i mentioned otherwise very bland looking much better than blizz's sc1 maps though which isn't saying much but hey | ||
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Abenson
Canada4122 Posts
I think it's a pretty good map, just basically trying to take control of the bridge... I can't seem to find the starting locatino symbol thing though o.o | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:28 Abenson wrote: Not used to seeing the maps in 3d graphics O.O I think it's a pretty good map, just basically trying to take control of the bridge... I can't seem to find the starting locatino symbol thing though o.o There are no starting symbols, but I think it is pretty obvious that you spawn in the corners. | ||
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Colbert
Canada148 Posts
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Happy_Alpha
Canada28 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:23 Mastermind wrote: Ya, in sc1 this would definitely favour tanks. I think the map looks pretty interesting. I would like to see how a game plays out on the map. Next br hopefully? Definately, if you walled at the 7 and 1o Clock expansions to the ramp you got like 4 bases secured early game. Just bunker up the rocks and your wall and your gold. Plus I think tanks could shell across the cliff to the 7 and 1o clock expansions. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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Jobbies
Scotland72 Posts
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Katkishka
United States649 Posts
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Spartan
United States2030 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:31 Colbert wrote: Anyone else get dizzy looking at that? Nope; just you. :D On December 22 2009 10:35 Artosis wrote: the image doesnt load for me? and when i try to view it or the link it brings me to starcraft2.com. Try this: http://vgcache.com/images/3717 | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
I'm sure the community and blizzard will come up with dozens if not hundreds of maps eventually. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
 and i guess this is the end of forge fe, with the two entrances to nat. and the scout towers look so freakin cheap >.< i agree with the crampedness of the map, but one of my biggest complaints is that it looks very, very ugly. | ||
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
This one encourages a mobile force. I see where a lot of people's criticism is coming from, and this would definitely apply if this were a BW map. Blizzard seems to be trying to force a certain style of play on this map (I'm inferring this out of the above quote), making all of these criticized aspects seem intentional to me. I guess we'll see how this map design philosophy plays out once beta comes out. Speaking of beta; hopefully, the fact that they're working on maps now is a sign that its coming soon. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:02 Sentient66 wrote: It looks too small to me. I don't want to make any criticisms because I haven't played SC2, but if this were an SC1 map, I'd be pretty disappointed. Not enough room to set up a good flank as zerg, and it looks very linear to me. Seems like it would favor terran in SC1. This article talks about why 1vs1 maps are smaller now and how it should effect gameplay. http://kr.starcraft2.com/features/gameplay/multiplayer.xml | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
The positions that you need to secure to hold each expansion are quite unique. It looks like for almost every expansion you would want to secure a different position on the high ground near it. The blocked ramps may actually be used more for agression by the player who is on the low side of them to allow them easier access to the area their opponent is trying to hold to secure their 4th as much as they could be used to allow access to both natural expansion. I can't wait to see how this plays out. The areas at the top right and bottom left to look a bit odd in this picture. But based on the size of the trees I'd say that they are not pathable terrain. They are drops to nowhere. Probably looks fine ingame. | ||
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fOscB.Sulik.SLR
Kyrgyzstan59 Posts
from BW perspective, though - it would be terran paradise, especially vs P | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On December 22 2009 11:41 TestSubject893 wrote: I see where a lot of people's criticism is coming from, and this would definitely apply if this were a BW map. Blizzard seems to be trying to force a certain style of play on this map (I'm inferring this out of the above quote), making all of these criticized aspects seem intentional to me. I guess we'll see how this map design philosophy plays out once beta comes out. Speaking of beta; hopefully, the fact that they're working on maps now is a sign that its coming soon. I guess the confusion would come from the fact that this map would encourage an immobile force if it was a BW map. With no beta, it is hard to see why it encourages a mobile force in SC2. | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
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Altar
United States577 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
kidding : P | ||
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danieldrsa
Brazil522 Posts
Its not boring and the central ramp bring flavor to it. I dont think there should be minerals on upper-right and lower-left diagonals. This would make the map dumb. Why every corner must have min-gas? But to make this area usable, perhaps they could be exploited as an alternative to cross the map without using the ramp. And the yellow mineral bases are too much close. Its so wrong to judge the balance so this is not a factor to me. | ||
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
On December 22 2009 10:05 EximoSua wrote: Blue Storm! Yeah, very similar. match point too, but thats basically blue storm with a different tileset | ||
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boongee
United States967 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On December 22 2009 13:09 El.Divino wrote: David Kim favored, sorry. David Kim > T, P, Z, F, J, B. NERFFFFFF | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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Iliyan
Croatia35 Posts
My issues with it from a general standpoint of mapmaking, not game balance. 1) Empty space to the top right and bottom left corners. This would have been GREAT areas for valuable expo's. Since it could be assaulted from up a cliff. If you wall it off from the other player's half of the map you can have a awesome "outsideresque" map. 2) Too many ramps to go up to. Basically whenever you're going anywhere it is through a ramp. My suggestion would be to clear some of the middle to allow flanking positions for larger armies. But make sure to keep the cliff AND wall on the cliff near to the "future" top right and bottom left valuable expo's. 3) Mineral and gas positions should be tweaked a bit, ESPECIALLY at the 3rd expo(The one on the cliff, below the wall) Those geysers are so vulnerable, but I guess that was the intention. 4) The cliffs which lead to the empty areas in the corners appear to be unequal. The upper one is obviously passable by reapers, yet I'm unsure about the lower one. 5) High Yield minerals in the middle are only 4 fields? I guess you accounted for the fact that *IF* in the unlikely occurrence someone takes either of those expo's he's basically taking both of em. 6) obviously a unfinished version of the map, I'd like to see some terrain eye candy. Perhaps its just this top down view of the entire map, but it seems kinda bleak, spice it up! | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
One thing I love is to even consider securing your fourth you need to be putting pressure on your enemy. I like that in a map. | ||
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
What jumps out at me about the map is how it borrow's Fighting Spirit's "triangle" in the starting corners. Once a player expands twice, his main will be fairly safe from drops. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
On December 22 2009 17:44 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Cant wait to get my hands on those Xel'Naga watch towers. lmao you hate them so much | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Acronym for Stork is not B, but S :| I like this map, and i agree that it will probably work differently for SC2 than it would for SC:BW, so hope to see it in action  | ||
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vOddy
Sweden402 Posts
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789
United States959 Posts
The natural and the third seem way to small, barely big enough for the cc/hatch/nexus and a few defensive structures. Unfortunately the main isn't THAT much bigger. This seems like either a rush map or at least a race to contain type of map. It is definitely cramped. Overall, I think it is ok, but I don't particularily like it. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Wasted space in the corners. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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edahl
Norway483 Posts
Everyone else will have to play it like an island map imo. I'm thinking in terms of BW mind you. | ||
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n00bonicPlague
United States197 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/Palantir86/TwistedPeak_withLegend.jpg) I think it's an okay map. Every strong point has a weakness. XeNWaTs and Rocks in good places. A bit cozy, but nice. | ||
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SquashMonster
United States7 Posts
On December 22 2009 11:41 TestSubject893 wrote: Trying to make a variety of maps that force specific styles of play seems like a good idea for a game that's just starting. The mapping community can see which maps get the most (professional) play and which are the most fun, and combine traits of those maps to make ones that are more interesting. If we started with a bunch of "generic" maps then any attempts to spice things up could be seen as gimmicky; worse yet, the type of map Blizzard's map-makers thought was "generic" might not be the best type of map for the game.Blizzard seems to be trying to force a certain style of play on this map (I'm inferring this out of the above quote), making all of these criticized aspects seem intentional to me. I guess we'll see how this map design philosophy plays out once beta comes out. | ||
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emikochan
United Kingdom232 Posts
This does look quite wip, those bases are so square. Can anyone see any tall grass ? or any good places to put it ? Imo the path between the 2 naturals should be full of it, so you could sneak forces between them even if the cliff was covered. *shrug* looks nice I guess but the proof is in the playing... (btw get ready to change your sig to ??/??/10 =p) | ||
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n00bonicPlague
United States197 Posts
On December 23 2009 09:30 emikochan wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure what's goin' on in those wasted corners. I can't tell if their impassable terrain or just blank space.Nice n00bonic, really makes those wasted corners glaringly obvious... imo they should put a ramp opposite the watchtower, 2 routes, keep the enemy guessing. This does look quite wip, those bases are so square. Can anyone see any tall grass ? or any good places to put it ? Imo the path between the 2 naturals should be full of it, so you could sneak forces between them even if the cliff was covered. *shrug* looks nice I guess but the proof is in the playing... On December 23 2009 09:30 emikochan wrote: lol I totally forgot about my sig over here :D(btw get ready to change your sig to ??/??/10 =p) | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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n00bonicPlague
United States197 Posts
Think this'll be the one we'll see in BR5? | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Its definitely a skirmish map in its scope at least how I see it. Quick decisive games where an exploited weakness means little chance for recovery. | ||
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789
United States959 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33374 Posts
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emikochan
United Kingdom232 Posts
On December 23 2009 10:02 n00bonicPlague wrote: Yeah, I'm not sure what's goin' on in those wasted corners. I can't tell if their impassable terrain or just blank space. Gotta be impassable, looks even more retarded to have land JUST for cliffclimbers, op for terrans floating stuff there i'd imagine too (starports etc) Agreeing with syn, the cliff scaling does make this map a lot faster/more intense at least, so many fronts to defend =p I have a feeling getting creep everywhere might counter cliffclimbing with the huge speed boost.../signed for 2v2 br that gets to tier 3. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Think about it, you got the high ground to start off with so its easy to push out and break a contain, however its gonna be an up-hill battle to take out each expo and then finally the enemies main. So you will have this constant 50/50 battle in the center, while encouraging troop transport. At the moment, if you control the center you basically win the game, but with the heights inversed, controlling the center still allows the both sides to have an equal advantage. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
On December 24 2009 05:29 starcraft911 wrote: Reminds me of all the original SC and BW 1.4 maps the games shipped with. When I'm playing vs my bad friends they always choose those random ass maps with a natural with like 3 mineral patches and 0 gas.... It's not that bad, but the smallness of the map gives me that feeling. this is exactly what I thought. 2-3 expos available. Seems like you will need to be aggressibe, but I can also see some 1 base air unit openings. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On December 22 2009 09:57 Spartan wrote: I actually really like this map (maybe someone could make a SC version of it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108865 :p | ||
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old times sake
165 Posts
On December 24 2009 02:57 Waxangel wrote: I thought three seasons of Gauntlet ZvZ would have taught Blizzard not to make super long walking distance 1v1 maps. This. It was on the tip of my tounge. Hey that's like that one map... couldn't think of the name. Yeah!!! Gauntlet!!! Remember Ashrigo? Hahahaha. | ||
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