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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
The reason for doing it is the numerous statements that the Viper is useless. I tried it with many different compositions and i could not make them work without the Ultralisk. In both cases I a-moved both armies, but in the latest i added cloud. It is in 720p. I am not a Protoss player  so I can't tell if the composition is "way off" This was not the point of the video, it was to show the impact of the cloud. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
Mmh, i win IF the protoss doesnt go airtoss. Cant win against airtoss atm. | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
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NeXSC2
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:11 NeXSC2 wrote: Coulda cut out about 2 mins of that video..... other than that neat. Range is super important. Agreed. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:21 Existor wrote: Feedbacks can revert this scenario back to protoss side. Absolutely, but do you think it is that easy to feedback Vipers since they have quite good range on the cloud ? I mean you should really take care of them as they are your best friend and quite expensive. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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TheSambassador
United States186 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:27 Nimitz.no wrote: Absolutely, but do you think it is that easy to feedback Vipers since they have quite good range on the cloud ? I mean you should really take care of them as they are your best friend and quite expensive. Feedback is range 9, blinding cloud is range 9. If your templar are at the front, feedback is definitely an option, but it is a bit tricky. | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:34 a176 wrote: the problem with this is that no toss will just leave their army running around like chickens under a blinding cloud. chain it with fungal and it becomes especially devastating. Yes definitely, I tried it. Cast order: Fungal, Cloud (duration 14 sec), Fungal. and the Protoss got utterly demolished. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:27 Nimitz.no wrote: Absolutely, but do you think it is that easy to feedback Vipers since they have quite good range on the cloud ? I mean you should really take care of them as they are your best friend and quite expensive. Blinding Cloud does not prevents from using spells and abilities. It just reduces range of all standard attacks (i.e. not widow mines) Cast order: Fungal, Cloud (duration 14 sec), Fungal. and the Protoss got utterly demolished. Extremely heavy on gas and probably on minerals (vipers require aditional evolution chambers and extractors to consume) | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
viper is one of the coolest units in HotS. Would be even cooler with abduct at lair tech and blinding cloud at hive. | ||
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Tuczniak
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larse
1611 Posts
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On January 16 2013 06:51 Existor wrote: Extremely heavy on gas and probably on minerals (vipers require aditional evolution chambers and extractors to consume) You know what else is extremely gas-heavy? The Infestor/Brood lord composition. Did that ever stop people from making these units in the late game? Nope. Obviously, when people talk about adding a Viper-Infestor combo to your army, they're talking about the late or "super late" game. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean you shouldn't aim for that army composition later on. About it also being heavy on minerals due to having to build additional Evolution Chambers. People shouldn't use Consume unless they plan on attacking very soon, or they are in imminent danger. Otherwise, just leave the Vipers idle to gain energy. Therefore, there's really no need to build a whole field of Evolution Chambers just for Consuming; there are plenty Extractors, Macro Hatches, and not to mention a potential Spine Crawler wall to use Consume on. Plus, there's no need to have a Viper-heavy composition; if controlled properly, 4-6 of them should suffice when engaging in combat. Not really sure why someone would need a field of Evolution Chambers to feed 6 Vipers. | ||
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Infernal_dream
United States2359 Posts
On January 16 2013 09:06 wongfeihung wrote: You know what else is extremely gas-heavy? The Infestor/Brood lord composition. Did that ever stop people from making these units in the late game? Nope. Obviously, when people talk about adding a Viper-Infestor combo to your army, they're talking about the late or "super late" game. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean you shouldn't aim for that army composition later on. About it also being heavy on minerals due to having to build additional Evolution Chambers. People shouldn't use Consume unless they plan on attacking very soon, or they are in imminent danger. Otherwise, just leave the Vipers idle to gain energy. Therefore, there's really no need to build a whole field of Evolution Chambers just for Consuming; there are plenty Extractors, Macro Hatches, and not to mention a potential Spine Crawler wall to use Consume on. Plus, there's no need to have a Viper-heavy composition; if controlled properly, 4-6 of them should suffice when engaging in combat. Not really sure why someone would need a field of Evolution Chambers to feed 6 Vipers. Not to mention evo chambers are only 75 minerals. We've all played/seen enough games where you're banking 3 or 4k minerals by the end of it. | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
What's my point? Where is your consideration for the zerg max out with roach/hydra/viper? Are you saying that composition is completely nonviable because it fails in a unit tester? You need to add perspective. | ||
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