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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8858 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 02:55:04
January 04 2021 02:54 GMT
#1161
came across this meme and i lol'd
"When you manage to secure 3 points for your former club"
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2610 Posts
January 04 2021 07:46 GMT
#1162
On January 04 2021 11:36 Greg_J wrote:
Feeling very sorry for Chris Wilder and everyone at Sheffield United. They had a great season last year. He's clearly a good manager. But things have just gone horribly wrong and they haven't won a single game all season. Don't know enough of the details as to what's really going wrong there.


Is this the english equivalent of Schalke then? Minus the Coach and likeability?
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 08:38:48
January 04 2021 08:21 GMT
#1163
I do think following the expected points table is kinda interesting. And while having good strikers and a great goalie are important qualities for a team, it does say something about the performance. I mean, I'm not even too into the maths, but the way I understand it, teams score and concede goals according to chances rather than according to actual goals, and then points are tallied in accordance.

https://understat.com/league/EPL for reference

Anyway, looking at that, Sheffield U looks very unfortunate. They're a bottom 3 team here, too, but with 15.62 points instead of 2 points. Brighton is almost equally unlucky (on the expected points table, they're ahead of Tottenham and virtually tied with Manchester United). While WBA actually has more points than what they could have expected based on performance.

Should also be a pleasant read for Pande, and similarly indicates that Manchester City has been a bit unfortunate.

I mean, it's just a curious little thing, not too significant. And I think this season, Sheffield is boned anyway. 0-2-15 after 17 games is extremely poor. But normally, a team with that poor of a record will have been utterly destroyed on many occasions. But for Sheffield, 11 of their 15 losses were lost by 1 goal. I feel bad for Sander Berge also - he's one of the most promising Norwegian young players and the way I understand it, he's been performing fairly well.
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3999 Posts
January 04 2021 11:47 GMT
#1164
Nice find! I wonder what makes up for the (sometimes huge) differences between those numbers and the actual points. Is it mostly just luck? Quality of the forward's finishing? Ability of a team to grind out the points when it's really needed?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
January 04 2021 12:52 GMT
#1165
It really just seems Sheffield United are exceptionally unlucky and the margins are very tight.

It’s not just this season either, basically they’ve fallen off the face of the earth since football resumed, perhaps fans gave them that extra 1-2% they need to get over the line in many of these games.

If memory serves Sheffield United rather outperformed their xG/calculated points last season, but nowhere near to the degree they’re underperforming via those metrics now.

It’s just strange. They rarely play atrociously and are competing in almost any game and generally perform, they’re just not getting points. Vs Fulham and West Brom who’ve looked absolutely appalling at times but have had the odd game where they do alright and get some points on the board.

We could be in a weird scenario where Sheffield United take the record off Derby as the worst Premier League team ever without arguably even being the worst team in the league this season!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
January 04 2021 13:05 GMT
#1166
Combination of luck, style of play, and where your team has most quality, imo. More quality midfield/ more possession oriented play will generally produce more chances - but not necessarily higher quality chances, while playing a counter attacking style of play will lead to your chances being bigger chances on average. (Consequently, it should really be no surprise that Tottenham, couched by Mourinho, is a team that performs better than expectation, while City, coached by Pep, performs worse than expectation. )

Additionally, higher quality strikers will score a higher % of chances than expected while lower quality strikers will not, although here the sample sizes for half a season are too small to be conclusive anyway. Having a great goalie will also make your expected points lower compared to your real points, as a great goalie will save a bigger % of shots.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 04 2021 19:13 GMT
#1167
On January 04 2021 11:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
came across this meme and i lol'd
"When you manage to secure 3 points for your former club"
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Hey
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
January 04 2021 21:58 GMT
#1168
What a season
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 04 2021 22:04 GMT
#1169
Man Utd beat burnley 3 points clear, beat Liverpool following weekend and 6 points clear haha nutty xd

Klopp can't buy a goal away from home at the moment let alone a win xD
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18635 Posts
January 04 2021 22:18 GMT
#1170
woooot Southampton!!!

Hasenhüttl GOAT!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
January 04 2021 22:43 GMT
#1171
crazy table.

If all the teams with 15 or 16 games played their remaining games and we got the right results, we could see 8 teams with 32 or 33 points.

Right now I'm feeling good for Manchester. I thought Liverpool was gonna run away with it after their game vs Crystal Palace (where they were absolutely fantastic), but then City seems to have hit their stride, and Liverpool got 2 points from the three games following that. Manchester United is more vulnerable - if Bruno Fernandes gets injured, there's no replacement for him - but if he doesn't get injured, then I have no problems picturing them as league winners. (Again - since signing him, they've gotten the most points out of any team, that was the case last season, and it has continued this season. ) Could it possibly be that losing CL was a blessing in disguise?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26763 Posts
January 04 2021 22:50 GMT
#1172
What a season indeed.

If the slumbering beast of City can keep awake and as alert as they were in the shellacking they gave Chelsea and Liverpool can keep ticking over until they get their injured personnel back and firing they are still by a distance the best sides in the league.

No guarantees of either, I’d still probably take a world without Covid on balance but at least it’s given us a very unpredictable and exciting premier league!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8858 Posts
January 05 2021 02:58 GMT
#1173
On January 05 2021 04:13 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 11:54 evilfatsh1t wrote:
came across this meme and i lol'd
"When you manage to secure 3 points for your former club"
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Hey

sorry. did think of you when i saw the meme though

and i know its still early but my god if united wins this season i will actually lose my shit
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4148 Posts
January 05 2021 03:13 GMT
#1174
You know the craziest thing about this season's table? Arsenal after their horrific run is only 10 points behind Liverpool lol.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 05 2021 18:45 GMT
#1175
Yanited win vs Scouse and they favourites imo, Scouse away from is awful lol, they looked so poor vs Southampton in the first half, honestly looked like carbon copy of the Villa game. The second half they showed a bit more and Southampton parked the bus and hung on, but the chances Scouse created weren't amazing clear cut ones and that is why Klopp was moaning and Carragher was going mad in studio lol.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28792 Posts
January 05 2021 19:12 GMT
#1176
It's Liverpool vs United not the other way around though, and Liverpool at home hasn't lost in the premier league since April 2017.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 05 2021 19:31 GMT
#1177
True Scouse home record is basically same as Yanited away record, offt should be juicy game!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 05 2021 22:57 GMT
#1178
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4400 Posts
January 06 2021 04:48 GMT
#1179
Does the MLS have anything like FFP to adhere to? If not and all the team owners are billionaires, the owners should just deal imo
Sucker for nostalgia
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
January 06 2021 07:52 GMT
#1180
On January 06 2021 13:48 DropBear wrote:
Does the MLS have anything like FFP to adhere to? If not and all the team owners are billionaires, the owners should just deal imo

They have salary caps and a complex series of rules with drafts Targeted allocation money General allocated money Designated player slots they can pay above the salary cap but it doesn't count against said salary cap.

Its an absolute rats nest that's impossible to understand for the average person.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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