EPT2020 - 2021 Football Thread - Page 116
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6243 Posts
On April 23 2021 03:36 Gorsameth wrote: To keep going as they are these clubs may well 'need' something like the Super League. But that is entirely a problem of their own creation. Its their bad financial decisions and them allowing player salaries to balloon as they have. They don't have to pay 100's of millions for a player. They don't need to take out 3 loans to build the biggest bestest stadium ever. It just shows how detached from reality these people really are. They make the argument they need a super league for the money while the next day Real Madrid signs alaba for a wage of 10 million a year net (which is like 15-20 million gross) and a signing bonus of 20 million. For many clubs thats more than their entire budget. As long as incentives don't change more money isn't going to solve the issue. They'll just spend it all again. The clubs which joined the super league have had record revenues (except last year) but they're still overspending. The only part of the super league proposal which would've helped is the agreement of spending 55% on the budget for football wages, transfers etc. But you don't need a super league for that. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8731 Posts
its obvious that mismanagement aside, there arent enough rules in place that create a system which requires less spending. uncapped salaries/transfer fees and unregulated agent fees are the obvious culprits and in their desperation for success the big clubs have no choice but to indulge in these requests despite the piling debt. if they didnt completely shit the bed with the announcement of the super league and they didnt make it a closed tournament i think there would have been a lot more division amongst fans. on the surface it is still way more money going to the biggest clubs but the fact that they were planning on immediately addressing key financial concerns in the industry would have been a huge plus to many people. so far fifa/uefa/fa etc have all shown that theyre too incompetent to do that | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 23 2021 19:31 RvB wrote: It just shows how detached from reality these people really are. They make the argument they need a super league for the money while the next day Real Madrid signs alaba for a wage of 10 million a year net (which is like 15-20 million gross) and a signing bonus of 20 million. For many clubs thats more than their entire budget. As long as incentives don't change more money isn't going to solve the issue. They'll just spend it all again. The clubs which joined the super league have had record revenues (except last year) but they're still overspending. The only part of the super league proposal which would've helped is the agreement of spending 55% on the budget for football wages, transfers etc. But you don't need a super league for that. The issue isn't the money but how can they afford it? I can understand how Chelsea could or PSG can afford such money, but Real isn't owned by a rich person, is it? Also there's still no wage cap, right? I think we should have a transfer and wage cap, so nobody can do - hey, I own Amazon, I have gazillions, let's pump 40 billions(lulzorz, couldn't notice it on my statement) into some random team and have fun. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On April 23 2021 19:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: its not happening in the other leagues, which is why these clubs are trying to break off and make their own rules. the salary cap issue was touched upon as well and they said they would implement it in the super league. its obvious that mismanagement aside, there arent enough rules in place that create a system which requires less spending. uncapped salaries/transfer fees and unregulated agent fees are the obvious culprits and in their desperation for success the big clubs have no choice but to indulge in these requests despite the piling debt. if they didnt completely shit the bed with the announcement of the super league and they didnt make it a closed tournament i think there would have been a lot more division amongst fans. on the surface it is still way more money going to the biggest clubs but the fact that they were planning on immediately addressing key financial concerns in the industry would have been a huge plus to many people. so far fifa/uefa/fa etc have all shown that theyre too incompetent to do that So the pyromaniacs had to break away, because there were not enough rules against wild fires and creating their own league was the only way to get them... If those 12 clubs would have been serious about "we have to limit wages", then all they do is to agree with each other and restrain themselves. Everyone responsible for the wage spiral except PSG was sitting at their table... If they stop this escalation, Bologna, Nürnberg und Aston Villa are not suddenly starting to offer Messi his 600m... So poor Messi would have to look around, if he can affords his kids school meals of 200m :/ | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8731 Posts
On April 23 2021 20:03 mahrgell wrote: So the pyromaniacs had to break away, because there were not enough rules against wild fires and creating their own league was the only way to get them... If those 12 clubs would have been serious about "we have to limit wages", then all they do is to agree with each other and restrain themselves. Everyone responsible for the wage spiral except PSG was sitting at their table... If they stop this escalation, Bologna, Nürnberg und Aston Villa are not suddenly starting to offer Messi his 600m... So poor Messi would have to look around, if he can affords his kids school meals of 200m :/ youre joking about the clubs agreeing amongst themselves to just be good sports and arbitrarily cap wages right? thats just not going to happen. unless theyre bound by the rules of the game they will do whatever they can to get the edge over the others | ||
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
I can understand why top Spanish or Italian clubs are interested in the idea and why Florentino is so obssesed (Altough he is a bastard that only lies in his interviews) | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On April 23 2021 04:21 plasmidghost wrote: Love what Arteta said. It's the best we could've reasonably got https://twitter.com/ChrisWheatley_/status/1385171724673683460 It is a bit sad that people fall for such PR nonsense. Basically said they should listen to fans RIGHT AFTER betraying football failed and they fear a backlash. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On April 23 2021 23:20 gTank wrote: It is a bit sad that people fall for such PR nonsense. Basically said they should listen to fans RIGHT AFTER betraying football failed and they fear a backlash. My thought on it is that we know Arteta had no say in the decision on the Super League. If this is just a PR statement, it is disappointing, but it could very well be what he wants to say while also not getting fired by the board | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On April 24 2021 01:02 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah I think this whole "listen to the fans" thing is part of the problem. The fans should have real power in the clubs. It shouldn't be a question of whether the directors choose to listen or not -- the fans should simply be able to kick them out if necessary. I do think the Bundesliga model is really good and if the fans across England keep pressure on PL and maybe the government, change could happen. I just worry that too many people are going to accept the new normal and these problems will persist | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9708 Posts
This is the best take I've seen on the whole situation tbh. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On April 24 2021 01:18 plasmidghost wrote: I do think the Bundesliga model is really good and if the fans across England keep pressure on PL and maybe the government, change could happen. I just worry that too many people are going to accept the new normal and these problems will persist Yea, I agree. And the whole apologize/listen/resign maneuvering is all about getting people back in their armchairs so that we can start pretending that things are fine, and we will once again have the bit-by-bit worsening of the whole footballing world that has been going on since the early 90s tbh. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28701 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 24 2021 01:18 plasmidghost wrote: I do think the Bundesliga model is really good and if the fans across England keep pressure on PL and maybe the government, change could happen. I just worry that too many people are going to accept the new normal and these problems will persist How would you do that? Bundesliga has a different history, they didn't allow private ownership and THEN they changed this under the rule 50 + 1. PL has a different situation and if you change the rules it will cost money and who's gonna pay them. It's not impossible, it's just soooooooooooooooooooooo expensive. | ||
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Dingodile
4135 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9708 Posts
On April 24 2021 02:49 Liquid`Drone wrote: Haha, did not know John Barnes was this politically enlightened. It was a surprise to me too lol. I'm old enough to just about remember him playing. What a player he was. He was somewhat overshadowed at Liverpool by Ian Rush but still, a great player. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On April 24 2021 02:52 deacon.frost wrote: How would you do that? Bundesliga has a different history, they didn't allow private ownership and THEN they changed this under the rule 50 + 1. PL has a different situation and if you change the rules it will cost money and who's gonna pay them. It's not impossible, it's just soooooooooooooooooooooo expensive. I'm by no means a political or football managing expert, but I would start by having new financial regulations that are actually enforced to limit ridiculous expenses and transfer fees. I don't see it happening, but the Tories could capitalize on the ire of the English football fans and force the owners to no longer be the sole controlling interest of the clubs. I think that there needs to be far less things like Sky charging ridiculous rates for PL matches to English citizens. There's too much money in football and maybe having it where fans own the club would help rein that in. Financial reform would just need to be enforced by UEFA (fat chance) otherwise clubs line Barca, PSG, Juventus, and Real Madrid breeze to a CL semifinals with their amount of money I have no idea if this is even a sensible idea | ||
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