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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6298 Posts
April 19 2021 20:27 GMT
#2061
On the bright side the football thread hasn't been this lively in ages
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
April 19 2021 20:28 GMT
#2062
When do you think we will see the first time migrate to a different country all together ? do you think we will have Arsenal Shangahi or FC Barcelona Abu Dhabi ?

I think going with the franchise style ownership will make it so that a team will be bought out and move to a different city\country is inevitable.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9708 Posts
April 19 2021 20:32 GMT
#2063
On April 20 2021 05:28 bluzi wrote:
When do you think we will see the first time migrate to a different country all together ? do you think we will have Arsenal Shangahi or FC Barcelona Abu Dhabi ?

I think going with the franchise style ownership will make it so that a team will be bought out and move to a different city\country is inevitable.


If our government stops work permits for players in the ESL then all of our teams will have to move, because they won't be playing in England any more.
RIP Meatloaf <3
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
April 19 2021 20:45 GMT
#2064
On April 20 2021 03:40 Pandemona wrote:
UEFA have been giving more money to the bigger teams in said competition for decades lol. The latest agreement is 30% of total revenue in Europe is given based on "History" performance in Europe rather than giving it to teams who finish 1st 2nd or 3rd in the competition lol.

I dislike UEFA as much as the next guy, but they were pressured into changing the CL structure/payouts by the teams that now form the SL, because it wasn't enough for them.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9708 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 21:04:03
April 19 2021 20:48 GMT
#2065
Leeds equalize! Yay!
I'm treating all of the big 6 as bad guys, and I will until they change owners. Liverpool & United were always the enemy, but now City too and Chelsea.



'Merseyside Reds' haha
RIP Meatloaf <3
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2751 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 21:09:30
April 19 2021 21:04 GMT
#2066
I don't follow football anymore, there is too much money for it for its own good.
That said, I am quite surprised to see uefa as a lesser evil lol
Franchised club in a closed league is really a pretty stupid exportation of an american system which doesn't fit the european foot system.
To the regular football fans, don't you think the charm of the biggest opposition in cl comes from their uncertainty and rarity ? Cuz watching every week liverpool real or juve City will break it for sure.
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
April 19 2021 21:18 GMT
#2067
@Wombat, re your point from page or two ago: EU law pretty exclusively prevents salary caps, that's been spoken of before and really just can't go ahead. Firms agreeing to not compete with each other like that is an obvious illegal cartel. Interestingly, same thing could be true possibly regarding the transfer ban between the super league sides that was spoken of at some point.

I had interesting conversation about the proposals with a few friends. One of them quite openly said that after a year or two he'd want to watch the games regardless of the outrage. I think that illustrates the urgency to kill this ESL nonsense right off. If it starts it won't stop and top level football is even less about the game and more about corporate interests.
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 21:21:50
April 19 2021 21:21 GMT
#2068
[Marco Rossi] Already hearing rumours that Chelsea and Man City are trying to U-turn from this #ESL mess. Neither liked idea, but ‘had to follow’ or risk huge financial problems. They think they can persuade Spurs and believe 3 English clubs will be enough to dissolve plans. #THFC #CFC #MCFC

That would be nice news, i do hope my club does the right thing now. It looks more than likely the ESL is going to fail before it gets started with the backlash etc and the government issues, so lets just do the right thing and quit it now. The first club to do this and bail on this project will be applauded.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9708 Posts
April 19 2021 21:25 GMT
#2069
On April 20 2021 06:21 Pandemona wrote:
[Marco Rossi] Already hearing rumours that Chelsea and Man City are trying to U-turn from this #ESL mess. Neither liked idea, but ‘had to follow’ or risk huge financial problems. They think they can persuade Spurs and believe 3 English clubs will be enough to dissolve plans. #THFC #CFC #MCFC

That would be nice news, i do hope my club does the right thing now. It looks more than likely the ESL is going to fail before it gets started with the backlash etc and the government issues, so lets just do the right thing and quit it now. The first club to do this and bail on this project will be applauded.


I'd love it if all the teams pulled out and left the United, Liverpool, Real and Barca owners holding their dicks. That's, like, the number 1 scenario for me.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 19 2021 21:36 GMT
#2070
On April 20 2021 06:21 Pandemona wrote:
[Marco Rossi] Already hearing rumours that Chelsea and Man City are trying to U-turn from this #ESL mess. Neither liked idea, but ‘had to follow’ or risk huge financial problems. They think they can persuade Spurs and believe 3 English clubs will be enough to dissolve plans. #THFC #CFC #MCFC

That would be nice news, i do hope my club does the right thing now. It looks more than likely the ESL is going to fail before it gets started with the backlash etc and the government issues, so lets just do the right thing and quit it now. The first club to do this and bail on this project will be applauded.

Should not be the teams that did not accept in the beginnigs be applauded? like PSG, for example.

The ones that did and now are bailing out are just doing what they should
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 21:47:15
April 19 2021 21:39 GMT
#2071
UEFA is countering with the only thing that matters to these club owners

UEFA is in discussions with Centricus Asset Management over a 6 billion-euro ($7.2 billion) financing package to overhaul its flagship soccer tournament and stop plans for a new breakaway Super League, according to people familiar with the matter.

The Switzerland-based sporting body is working with Centricus on a plan to fund a new-look UEFA Champions League tournament, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing confidential information.


https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/4/19/uefa-discussing-7-2bn-deal-with-centricus-to-halt-super-league
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 22:08:51
April 19 2021 22:07 GMT
#2072
This can't be real.




The Super League is a reality. 100%. Unstoppable. Leagues, UEFA and FIFA will go through the hoop because without these 15 great clubs their tournaments do not survive. Florentino did not swallow with these arbitrations, schedules, calendars and economic distribution: he was preparing his winning move. Because it will be.

The Super League is NOT going to kill the national leagues: a large solidarity fund is being prepared with the INGENT income that will be generated. And five of the 20 spots (those of non-founding teams) are open to promotion and relegation. The system is perfect and nothing unsupportive




Expanding the squads is being studied, because the 20 members of the Super League will continue to play in the national leagues and the calendar will be demanding. UEFA or FIFA will no longer command, only in their national team tournaments. They are going to command the clubs.

And yes, no one is going to expel the players from the Super League, the National Leagues, or the national team tournaments. You will tell me a European Championship without Mbappé, Haaland, Lewandowski or De Bruyne what it is (because Bayern and PSG will enter). Or the Spanish League without Madrid, Barça or Atleti ...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
April 19 2021 22:08 GMT
#2073
he is a Real Madrid journalist

of course he needs to support whatever his president wants lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2021 22:12 GMT
#2074
But transferring their UCL winnings and turning them into 13 "European Super League" trophies, I mean W T F?!
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5646 Posts
April 19 2021 22:24 GMT
#2075
Can someone explain how this format is supposed to work? 15 founding teams get a permanent spot regardless of performance. The remaining five teams have to qualify for the next season, even if they place top 5. That in itself is stupid. But how will they qualify if they all get kicked out from their domestic leagues?
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3983 Posts
April 19 2021 22:33 GMT
#2076
The big clubs have been after this for maybe 15 years already, so I'm not surprised it happened. Question is: everyone is against a no-relegation permanent league, why not make it a European top-level league that does allow for new teams (under UEFA)? Or are people against that too?

It needs work on the details, of course, but say we get a top 20 league across Europe, 3-5 teams relegate, other teams take their spot from the same league, or from a different league if the country has lost too many coefficient points.

I'd absolutely hate if it was just like NBA or NFL, where the worst teams even get draft advantages, but if it's an extension to normal leagues, I'm not so sure.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28700 Posts
April 19 2021 22:36 GMT
#2077
Pretty certain they're assuming the domestic leagues threat is a bluff, or something they didn't think would happen when they announced this. It's definitely true that the the PL, La Liga and Serie A need their flagship clubs, this is a situation where the clubs need the national leagues even more.

Kicking out teams from just CL or EL this season won't matter all that much to the involved teams, and I'm sure they'll take SL participation and money over that. But participating in the domestic league is essential to them.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 19 2021 22:42 GMT
#2078
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9708 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 23:05:41
April 19 2021 23:04 GMT
#2079
I read this stuff and all I can think is 'pricks'.
Our government must be spotting the most amazing opportunity they've ever had to win votes.
RIP Meatloaf <3
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 23:20:32
April 19 2021 23:17 GMT
#2080
if they'd lay out how it "saves" football, instead of just saying it, that would be more convincing.

like if they came out with a concrete plan with numbers etc, that for example, makes the super league more beneficial for the lower leagues of each country than the CL.
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