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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 01:27:24
February 07 2020 01:13 GMT
#341
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 07 2020 02:06 GMT
#342
I find the Wiggins thing a bit of a reach. I'm not sure culture is his problem, more like, actually enjoying basketball.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 04:40:34
February 07 2020 04:40 GMT
#343
JC and JJ would know more about it than me since they always argue about him and I think I can count with 1 hand the number of games I saw Wiggins play, so the guy is practically an myth to me for all I care.

But if people say he was/is good but just underperforming for one reason or another, was there a specific point in his early years in the NBA when Wiggins changed from a high potential player to a bad one? And iirc, he was playing exceptionally well early this season too, whats up with him?
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redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 05:31:03
February 07 2020 05:28 GMT
#344
Cant believe how Warriors went from a Unstoppable Force to the worst in a league in such short time.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
February 07 2020 06:28 GMT
#345
On February 07 2020 14:28 redlightdistrict wrote:
Cant believe how Warriors went from a Unstoppable Force to the worst in a league in such short time.

I have always maintained that the Warriors championship team and Curry bamboozled the NBA and basketball community with fuck you 3s, 20 point blowouts, 1 cm shooting window for curry, motion offense shit, anuhlitics erneh, 50 point 3rd quarters, that people easily rate them higher than they objectively are. They are great, but only flimsily so. 2015 championship? Injured point guards in all rounds in the west which allowed curry to feast. And in the finals, Kyrie was eating Curry alive until the injury. Lucky win.

Then of course KD came. Donkey is really stupid to think he is anywhere relevant other than a very good anchor who is a nobody without superstars around him.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 16:05:18
February 07 2020 15:39 GMT
#346
Congratz to the Rockets and their great win last night. Really cool to see how innovative they are.. and that it sometimes works. The NBA has done a great job managing its rule set to make teams like the Rockets and other innovators succeed with a variety of play styles.

I think the Rockets win and their over all success experimenting in new play styles is a win for the Rockets, the NBA and fans of the sport.

If you think I'm exaggerating in my praise of the NBA try watching an MLB game with 2 pitchers throwing 100 MPH. The game has 30+ strikeouts, 10+ walks, no stolen bases, most base hits are home runs. Boring.

IMO, when the NBA passes MLB in revenue they are full value for the success. NBA basketball has evolved into a more entertaining product than MLB baseball.
On February 07 2020 13:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:
JC and JJ would know more about it than me since they always argue about him and I think I can count with 1 hand the number of games I saw Wiggins play, so the guy is practically an myth to me for all I care.

But if people say he was/is good but just underperforming for one reason or another, was there a specific point in his early years in the NBA when Wiggins changed from a high potential player to a bad one? And iirc, he was playing exceptionally well early this season too, whats up with him?

Wiggins shrinks in high leverage moments a lot. Not always ... but a lot. He is a very poor defender.

With a better center Wiggins has a chance to be a better defender. However, he has always been a very poor defender. When KAT is not on the floor Wiggins is still a below average to poor defender. KAT makes him look worse.

If you have the time ...check out the video i posted about KAT's weak Defense. In it he explains why wing defenders are less effective when the Center is not very smart. TL;DR KAT makes wing defenders worse because his slow calls put wing defenders in very bad spots. Covington's worst stretch as a defender happened in Minnesota and a lot of it is on KAT's poor play calling. I say that with Covington out of Minnesota and no longer relying on KATs play calling he will once again be a very good defender.

On February 07 2020 11:06 cLutZ wrote:
I find the Wiggins thing a bit of a reach. I'm not sure culture is his problem, more like, actually enjoying basketball.

ya good point.

Wiggins is 24 and has become the league wide wiping boy for lazy, sloppy play. Its brutal.. but it is correct. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson at age 24 drastically altered his career prospects with an amazing level of effort and attention to detail on defense.

No human being is a write off at age 24 and NBA players are capable of changing at age 24. If I had to bet though ...my bet is that Wiggins continues to struggle in close games and continues his lazy play. I don't foresee an RHJ type improvement in his effort level.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 08 2020 03:36 GMT
#347
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-08 05:31:55
February 08 2020 03:39 GMT
#348
i'm really looking forward to Terence Davis playing in the Rising Stars game.
Lowry probably has a concussion.. Toronto's crackerjack medical staff doesn't want Lowry to go thru concussion protocol so they are calling it "whiplash"

These National US Media guys... who never watch the Raptors... are hilarious.
https://streamable.com/0ej90
thanks for the laughs guys.
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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 08 2020 20:01 GMT
#349
On February 07 2020 13:40 Twinkle Toes wrote:
JC and JJ would know more about it than me since they always argue about him and I think I can count with 1 hand the number of games I saw Wiggins play, so the guy is practically an myth to me for all I care.

But if people say he was/is good but just underperforming for one reason or another, was there a specific point in his early years in the NBA when Wiggins changed from a high potential player to a bad one? And iirc, he was playing exceptionally well early this season too, whats up with him?


It's basically like the Warriors got a worse DeRozan who takes 3's instead of driving the net for fouls.

I dunno what kind of attitude he has ego-wise, but on a team where he's the 3rd option, I think he's in a much better place.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-08 22:54:28
February 08 2020 21:01 GMT
#350
Saturday Night is "Hockey Night In Canada" right? welp, Lower bowl tickets for tonight's Raptors/Nets game are ~$70 more expensive than lower bowl tickets for the Canadiens/Maple Leafs game.

maybe NHL supporters can start blaming global warming

Gasol, Powell, and Lowry are all out tonight for the Raptors as they go for #14.

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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 00:42:52
February 09 2020 21:51 GMT
#351
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redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
February 10 2020 01:16 GMT
#352
Vince Carter must be ready to lay the ball down.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 07:12:24
February 10 2020 03:06 GMT
#353
i could just look at Trent Jr. and he'd fall over.

Crowder dives for the ball and lands chest first on the floor gathering up the ball while Melo stands there with a stupid look on his face.

EDIT: Crowder is rolling around on the floor again grabbing at another loose ball. LOL.

Jerry West.. GM of the world champion Los Angeles Lakers...circa 1988.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 18:00:21
February 10 2020 17:38 GMT
#354
This is sad man. The USA is so litigious.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2020/02/10/masai-ujiri-sued-by-oakland-officer-over-alleged-assault-after-raptors-nba-championship.html

this line, which is behind a paywall, i find hard to believe
" The suit claims Strickland suffered serious injuries to his body and nervous system that will result in a 'permanent disability.' "

and this part is comical.
The Raptors, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment and the NBA were also named in the suit. They’re all accused of failing to warn the plaintiff of Ujiri’s “violent predisposition” and “propensity for physical violence prior to his assault on (Strickland).”

Masai prolly shoved the guy. Both guys were probably a little bit in the wrong due to the heat of the moment. Its too bad these two guys couldn't come together and make a joint statement.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 10 2020 18:34 GMT
#355
On February 10 2020 06:51 JimmiC wrote:
Dion Waiters gets waived. I wonder if that is it for him? Or if someone is going to give him another chance. It is not talent he lacks.


Isaiah Thomas also waived. But I think Houston is looking for a small ball center.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 23:00:52
February 10 2020 19:40 GMT
#356
I think the "violent predisposition" claim and "propensity for physical violence" claim is the cop fishing for dirt on Ujiri from his employees. If the cop had the pattern and the evidence he should've given it out up front rather than sending out smoke signals. The police officer's legal team are hoping a Raptors employee comes to them with some dirt.

This is some major BS man.

Minnesota versus Toronto tonight. No Gasol, No Powell. Lowry will play. Russell is still questionable for the Timberwolves.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-10 23:50:00
February 10 2020 23:49 GMT
#357
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-11 00:32:35
February 11 2020 00:16 GMT
#358
Kevin Durant Updates have been published ... this guy takes a decent microscope into Durant's recovery.



TL;DR a 9 month recovery would not be a shock. To determine Durant's ability to return they will look at... amongst other things.. ankle range of motion. pain/swelling/symptoms. asymmetries in lower leg. kinetic chain dysfunction.

Durant's right calf looks smaller than his left calf.

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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 11 2020 00:41 GMT
#359
I know this is the wrong thead, but nobody really gives a shit about baseball here (including me).

I'll preface by saying that, although I am from Texas, I don't give a shit about baseball and I think Houstonians are a pretty apathetic fanbase, but a) I really cannot muster enough give a shit that the Astros kinda sorta cheated by doing what everyone else was doing better. 2) There has been more bile and outrage about this than all the cheats and juicers combined. More outrage than the refs stealing the Kings-Lakers series. Really makes me suspect that this is a bunch of baseball a-holes mad that their NY/Chicago/LA team didn't win.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 11 2020 02:18 GMT
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