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Having the champions league go back to being champions only would actually be very dangerous to lower leagues.
Lets first assume that the popularity of the CL would remain the same and the number of teams would be the same, so participating in the CL would give the average team an instant payout of something like 40-50M€ to each of the 32 champions.
Now I don't know what the average budget of the Slovenian or Liechtenstein's league are, but I bet it's at least one order of magnitude lower. This would lead to crazy stuff like:
- Any team that could win the championship three times in a row would simply dominate the league for decades to come.
- At the beginning that would mean that the owners of the clubs in every such league would take wild financial risks to try to win the league to get the payout. It's a winner-take-all game with the losers probably going bankrupt soon after.
I don't think it would be very pretty. A version of this already happened in Portugal in recent years as only one team is guaranteed in the CL, so Sporting and Porto have been on dangerously high ratios of salaries:revenue to try to compete.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 30 2019 18:31 Twisted wrote:Some team is always gonna get the short stick obviously, but 4 teams for one country and potentially 5, is the problem. Why not max 2 or 3? That way there's more diversity and more money to teams where the CL-money actually makes a big impact. Manchester United doesn't give a fuck about the money they receive from CL prize money. Right now they cater to the top teams. I think most people loved the fact that a 'small' team like Ajax made it to the semi-finals, but it's a rare occurrence with the way the CL is set up. But I'm probably preaching to the choir. The only one on this forum that probably loves the current setup is Pandemona 
Top tier bants for our games in the group coming up sir ? :D
You have lost a lot of good players but our defense and openly attacking playstyle should make for high scoring affairs i think. Should be good fun in this group!
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On August 31 2019 03:13 warding wrote:
Having the champions league go back to being champions only would actually be very dangerous to lower leagues.
Lets first assume that the popularity of the CL would remain the same and the number of teams would be the same, so participating in the CL would give the average team an instant payout of something like 40-50M€ to each of the 32 champions.
Now I don't know what the average budget of the Slovenian or Liechtenstein's league are, but I bet it's at least one order of magnitude lower. This would lead to crazy stuff like:
- Any team that could win the championship three times in a row would simply dominate the league for decades to come.
- At the beginning that would mean that the owners of the clubs in every such league would take wild financial risks to try to win the league to get the payout. It's a winner-take-all game with the losers probably going bankrupt soon after.
I don't think it would be very pretty. A version of this already happened in Portugal in recent years as only one team is guaranteed in the CL, so Sporting and Porto have been on dangerously high ratios of salaries:revenue to try to compete.
I agree.
Additionally, having less teams of big leagues that generate most of the views / income (despite some loud comments in last year's thread in this regard, CL is what it is because people want to see the big teams fight it out, not because of their local team doing whatever because that is general available only for people within the big countries/teams) will serve little to no purpose.
If they insist on getting everyone on board regardless, it will be like the Euro and the WC….so many spots that the quali will just serve to pass time and the group stage is most often skipabble.
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Somewhat related to the UCL qualification system, I'd love to see Europa League being won by some of the brilliant smaller teams rather than some giant that half heartedly walks through the tournament until semi finals or so.
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Norway28747 Posts
I do think United looks too young to be a real contender, but playing Mata instead of Lingaard definitely seems wise, and their signings seem good - James with his third goal, and another beautiful shot.
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The only 2 leagues where the top 4 are legitimately better than the top 1 or 2 from smaller leagues (eg Portugal, Netherlands, Austria, Belgium) are England and Spain. And even Spain, 4th place is a bit iffy. Top 3 are obvious, but I don't think Valencia over Benfica/Porto/Ajax/Salzburg is cut and dry. Italy is Juventus >> Napoli >> everybody else. Germany is Bayern > Dortmund >> everybody else. France is PSG >>> everybody else. Why are Lille or Roma guaranteed spots in the CL when they historically bomb out every run, and the CL points are earned by a single team? The individual team component needs to play a role in qualifying or not. I'm fine with the top 4 leagues having more spots available. But if NL has two slots, and Ajax grabs one, and Spain has 4 slots and Valencia grabs one, then use club coefficient to decide the cutoff for who has fixed spots and who has to qualify. It'd still mostly give the same overall results: the big teams that make the semis every second season or so, will never have to qualify. Ajax won't have to qualify after good seasons, but will after dry stretches (think the 00s). But the Romas and Leverkussens of the CL won't get a pass just because the top team in the league is so ridiculously good in comparison to the rest.
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Fuck sake United's midfield can't string a few simple passes together.
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Shit game from United but Southampton had 2 shots on target and one unstoppable header. On another day might have just nicked it. But definitely not good enough, especially the midfield.
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wow Ole gonna be udner massive pressure quicker than Mourinho. Can't drop that many points against teams that will fe bottom six
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Think it is the worse start to a season for yanited now? Or is that not right?
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Early doors in England it looks like Liverpool and City in a class of their own. A very lackluster Spurs should be struggling for top 4 but Chelsea and Yanited are way of the pace so Spurs will probably get top 4 by default. Arsenal are a complete unknown.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 31 2019 22:57 Greg_J wrote:
Early doors in England it looks like Liverpool and City in a class of their own. A very lackluster Spurs should be struggling for top 4 but Chelsea and Yanited are way of the pace so Spurs will probably get top 4 by default. Arsenal are a complete unknown.
Bit harsh lad. Chelsea and Arsenal both unknowns while Yanited started the same they ended last season. City just lost Laporte for potentially 6 months with maybe ACL or at least ligament damage to his knee. They have no replacement really it seems as they bought on Fernaindho. Scouse looks weaker defensively this season too, so for me while City and Liverpool are of course a lot better they don't look invicible.
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AHHAHHAHAHAHAH Chelsea trying to outyainted Yainted
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This Aston Villa denied goal is the worst refereeing Ive seen in a long time
Grealish dribbles through the defense gets some minor contact.. manages to dish the ball out as he goes down. Lambert scores. Ref disallows the goal for a dive. Graelish makes no claim for a pen hes just watching the play. Unfuckingbelievable, you have all the tech to make these decisions how can you still let it go.
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honestly, I think that is an okay call
He does get clipped outside the box, runs into the box and falls dramatically before Cahill makes contact.
That might be textbook for not clear and obvious enough error
e: actually disregard that part, VAR can't even touch that depending on when he called the dive
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I'm already on board the LampOut train lol. Other excuses like transfer ban, no hazard, squad still learning his tactics etc I can accept. I simply cannot tolerate such poor game management from him. Furthermore Lampard just said that his late changes were normal, like-for-like replacements. That alone shows his inability to adapt or manage the game.
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I can.
It is a judgment call based on the attacker continuing his run and then falling into another defender as he runs into the box. Hence it isn't a clearly wrong decision.
Mind you I don't agree with it, but this is exactly the level of grey that VAR wouldn't ever fix even if could be used on this situation.
As opposed to the legbreaker i posted earlier, which is a complete bonkers batshit call.
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FFS when will we get rid of Favre? I dont want BVB to remain a loser club.
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