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I never imagine such ending. And is heartbreaker for the losser but the winner Deserve it so much. <3
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I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled?
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Btw is Lewis the guy that lost the most championships in the last race ?
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On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled?
It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially.
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On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
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Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled?
Nope. The race director basically got to choose who wins. Dunno what would have been the correct decision, though.
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On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially.
The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.
It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do.
Absolute joke of a race directing decision.
Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad.
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On December 12 2021 23:57 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Btw is Lewis the guy that lost the most championships in the last race ?
Alonso probably takes that crown.
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On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad.
Not sure but I think a red flag is only for when cars can't lap without driving through debree
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On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad.
Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag?
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The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure.
On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag?
Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over.
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On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over.
I'm sorry but I don't see any rules being broken?
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On December 13 2021 00:12 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Not sure but I think a red flag is only for when cars can't lap without driving through debree
Pretty sure there would be enough wiggle room in the rules to allow a ref flag. It would have meant 2-3 laps Max directly behind Lewis, both with new soft tyres and would have given the hype everyone wanted without the blatant favoritism.
This will just get protested/reviewed now, and depending on how clear cut the rule is written, likely will get decided by CAS sometime next year.
e: the likely relevant part of the rulebook:
If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW
OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that
have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety
car.
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On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over.
Hmm, don't you think they should've let those cars pass earlier though? Didn't you find that initial decision strange?
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On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag?
Not enough time to get all the lapped cars safely past the safety car and for the safety car to build a gap to Lewis for a restart. As it was, the safety car came in on the same lap the cars were let through, which is already unusual. Generally a safe rate is one car every few seconds for overtaking the safety car (which is still going 100kph+ on the straights), so to let another 10 cars through would've meant they don't have time to do the full restart procedure before the lap ends.
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They allowed the lapped cars to pass... then decided not to, then decided to do it again. It's almost like first Toto called, then Chris called and the result is this mess.
The right decision was to not end this under safety car. I would've preferred, if there was red flag and grid start, but this was the second best decision. Nothing stopped Hamilton from changing tyres as well. They decided not to do it.
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On December 13 2021 00:22 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over. Hmm, don't you think they should've let those cars pass earlier though? Didn't you find that initial decision strange?
Overtaking for lapped cars happens when the track is clear of marshals and hazards. The overtaking cars are going at near racing speed to catch the pack, just not passing each other. There's been a few times this hasn't been followed in the last few years, and several marshals have been a few steps from becoming red mist.
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Crazy ending. Verstappen deserves the championship imo, justice for Baku, Hungary, Silverstone.
But not like this 
I just hope it doesn't go to court for months.
And I'm very much looking forward to the new season of drive to survive, what a banger it'll be.
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On December 13 2021 00:19 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over. I'm sorry but I don't see any rules being broken?
Most of the rules being broken happened in favor of Lewis and Merc this season. Silverstone just to name one. Its like no one even watched a race this season. Even in the first lap of this race they ignored the rules in Mercs favor.
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On December 13 2021 00:29 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:19 Penev wrote:On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over. I'm sorry but I don't see any rules being broken? Most of the rules being broken happened in favor of Lewis and Merc this season. Silverstone just to name one. Its like no one even watched a race this season. Even in the first lap of this race they ignored the rules in Mercs favor.
I watched every race this season, and apparently remember it better than you do. Pointing at Silverstone as an example of rules not being followed in favor of Lewis is dumb AF, because a penalty was applied accordingly. They followed the proper procedures and rules there. The penalty being negated by being in a fast car is something that should not factor into stewarding decisions. A driver should get the same penalty for an infraction whether they are in a Haas or a Merc. There are so many better examples this season if you wanted to be biased.
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On December 13 2021 00:29 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2021 00:19 Penev wrote:On December 13 2021 00:17 Pandemona wrote:The amount of written FIA rules broken in the last stretch was hilarious. How on earth Hamilton stayed so calm is crazy fair play to him. This wont be the last we here of this im sure. On December 13 2021 00:17 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On December 13 2021 00:07 Amui wrote:On December 12 2021 23:59 Penev wrote:On December 12 2021 23:56 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
I haven't been watching F1 long, but that felt... totally bullshit?
Am I wrong in feeling like Max was practically handed the win by the FIA given how that last debacle was handled? It was insanely lucky for Max but no, the only thing that was out of the ordinary was not letting lapped cars overtake the pace car initially. The farcical part is not letting all the lapped cars go, but that would mean the race finishes under yellow flag. Lewis absolutely had that race until that decision came out.It should've been a red flag IMO if they wanted racing at the end. A crash at the hotel area would always take a number of laps to clear under safety car, and with so few til the end there was no way it would've been more than a couple of laps to go. Lewis fought hard, but on cold worn hard tires that were probably 3s a lap slower at the end, there was very little he could do. Absolute joke of a race directing decision. Not that both Max or Lewis aren't deserving champions, but for the last race of the season come down to this is a bit sad. Apologies for the dumb question: why would letting all lapped cars go mean the race finishes under the yellow flag? Because the SC went straight into the pit after 5 went past, if they waited and let the rest go through he would have been past the pit entrance and had to wait until the following lap to come in, aka race over. I'm sorry but I don't see any rules being broken? Most of the rules being broken happened in favor of Lewis and Merc this season. Silverstone just to name one. Its like no one even watched a race this season. Even in the first lap of this race they ignored the rules in Mercs favor.
Yeah, decisions and luck have gone Hamilton's way more than Verstappen for sure it's just that the lucky brake came on the best moment imaginable. Hard to take for the Hamilton side for sure but people have to consider the whole season of 20+ races which will be difficult to do for a while.
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