EPTHow that isn't an instant race DQ is beyond me. Also giving him just too few points to actually force a race ban.
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Ciaus237
South Africa288 Posts
How that isn't an instant race DQ is beyond me. Also giving him just too few points to actually force a race ban. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 02 2025 18:47 Ciaus237 wrote: As is tradition, FIA handles Max with kiddy gloves. How that isn't an instant race DQ is beyond me. Also giving him just too few points to actually force a race ban. Because people are immediately jumping to the wildest conclusions that makes no sense if you think about them for 2 seconds Rather than completely red-misting and aiming for a random first driver he could find, only barely touching him before reacting and turning away, to no benefit for anyone, and then being completely calm and normal the second he exited the vehicle - It's more likely he simply completely miscalculated where the other car was, perhaps thinking Russell wasn't going to pass there after all and then speeding up to let him pass after the corner. It's far from the first time this has happened in F1. The view from the cockpit is rather narrow, and it's easy to fuck up if you don't pay attention or is distracted. Still his fault for sure, don't get me wrong, but likely a lot less malicious than everyone jumped on the train to believe. 3 penalty points and 10 sec penalty is pretty accurate penalty for this tbh | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa288 Posts
On June 02 2025 23:15 Excludos wrote: Because people are immediately jumping to the wildest conclusions that makes no sense if you think about them for 2 seconds Rather than completely red-misting and aiming for a random first driver he could find, only barely touching him before reacting and turning away, to no benefit for anyone, and then being completely calm and normal the second he exited the vehicle - It's more likely he simply completely miscalculated where the other car was, perhaps thinking Russell wasn't going to pass there after all and then speeding up to let him pass after the corner. It's far from the first time this has happened in F1. The view from the cockpit is rather narrow, and it's easy to fuck up if you don't pay attention or is distracted. Still his fault for sure, don't get me wrong, but likely a lot less malicious than everyone jumped on the train to believe. 3 penalty points and 10 sec penalty is pretty accurate penalty for this tbh They released Max's onboard. He was repeatedly looking at Russel's car before making the move. Nico on the broadcast immediately identified what it was. Max's interview answer about it afterwards didn't exactly inspire confidence in the possibility that it was accidental. Max is the best racer on the track, and was already pissed off. He doesn't fuck up like this by mistake when there's only one car around him. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 03 2025 01:27 Ciaus237 wrote: They released Max's onboard. He was repeatedly looking at Russel's car before making the move. Nico on the broadcast immediately identified what it was. Max's interview answer about it afterwards didn't exactly inspire confidence in the possibility that it was accidental. Max is the best racer on the track, and was already pissed off. He doesn't fuck up like this by mistake when there's only one car around him. This is exactly what I'm talking about. People love jumping to the wildest conclusions. The onboard shows Max looking into the mirror twice when George is in the blind zone. The third time he looks right is clearly in an "oh shit" panic, while turning the wheel away. Nothing about the situation makes any sense from the perspective of him doing it on purpose. What would that achieve? Why did he immediately turn away? It clearly wasn't a red mist "ok I'm taking us both out" iRacing style. What people are arguing is that he got really mad at George for his own GP telling him to give the position back. So in blind rage he decided to gently tap into him while panickly turning away. Occamz razor is clear here: it was a weird situation and he simply didn't see him. World champion title doesn't give him superpowers to not make mistakes, even dumb ones The following interview highlights exactly what I'm talking about. "Does it matter?" is a direct reference to people will believe what they want to Edit: Also, Nico is a genuine tool. He loves throwing around straight bullshit as truth. Yes, he "knew immediately" before seeing any replays. Come on Edit2: reading my own replies, I know I'm coming across as defensive. The truth is I'm just genuinely exasperated. People love to hate a bit too much. In F1, genuine mistakes are clearly impossible. It's always a massive bandwagon of forgoing any sort of nuance | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
Personally I'm relieved he can still avoid the ban so we have at least one driver who can challenge the McLarens a bit for every race this season. E: Indeed Excludos, it still could just bet a lapse of judgement and not a "red mist" impuls. But I agree especially with your 2nd edit. It really is exasperating to see all the hate mongering about something not all that important. And it does really suck people taking the words of commentators as gospel. Rosberg's black flag requests were awful; What a morron. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
he, Max, did it on purpose, he knows he did it on purpose so i blame him. GG, slam dunk. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
There's telemetry and more detail than just video involved as well. Max intentionally slows up to make the incident happen, and hits the accelerator to make sure they're directly alongside for the contact. You can try to defend Max all you want, but he did this intentionally. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 05 2025 01:34 Lmui wrote: Here's Jolyon's analysis of the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvhBp580kQ There's telemetry and more detail than just video involved as well. Max intentionally slows up to make the incident happen, and hits the accelerator to make sure they're directly alongside for the contact. You can try to defend Max all you want, but he did this intentionally. Which would be the exact same if he simply didn't see him Are we done here? I'm bored of this | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 07 2025 15:59 xM(Z wrote: hypothetical - if Max comes out and admits it, would it be enough for you to change your stance?; or even then, you'd look for <happenings> on the race track to soften the blow, to detract from his guilt %?. Are you still on this? Holy shit let it go dude. Any other person this would be a tiny footnote of the race. But because it's Max people are absolutely frothing at the mouth. Grow up | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
i'll take your answer to mean you're emotionally compromised and need more time to process/heal. it's fine, i'll see you on the other side.  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
Incredibly well put togheter video highlighting and explaining how absurd the overtaking rules in F1 are today. Or rather, the lack of consistent rules. The same moves keep getting random penalties every race. It's a genuine dice throw when passing someone on whether you, him, or no one gets a penalty. And nobody knows if an overtake was done within the rules or not before the penalty arrives, leading to engineers guessing on whether to give back positions or not, instead of just simply being told They pretend this is to better align with rules in karting. Thing is, pushing people off track in karting would not fly for a second, so that's all pure bs. And the two types of racing could not be further away from each other to begin with | ||
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LennX
4572 Posts
On June 07 2025 15:59 xM(Z wrote: hypothetical - if Max comes out and admits it, would it be enough for you to change your stance?; or even then, you'd look for <happenings> on the race track to soften the blow, to detract from his guilt %?. Max has mentioned that the incident "should not have happened". T1 for the race is going to be spicy later. Russell on pole and Max on P2.  | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On June 15 2025 11:54 LennX wrote: Max has mentioned that the incident "should not have happened". T1 for the race is going to be spicy later. Russell on pole and Max on P2. Even George himself doesn't seem to think Max intentionally ran into him (Either that, or he's taking the high road. In which case, fair play to him). There's should be no doubt in anyone's head Max was being an idiot, something I've stated repeatedly too, but that doesn't mean he crashed on purpose. People are just way too quick to make up their minds to reflect what they want to see, and nuance in the internet era is long dead. Really doesn't help that some commentators are fucking idiots (Especially looking at Barbie here. He has a long history of being an absolute muppet). I think we can finally put this nonsense to rest now...or not, because F1 journalists are some of the worst in the business too. This is likely to keep popping up ad nauseum Fairly funny interview with George btw: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PiJqu8wFuws Edit: That said, Russell and Max on the front row today could be spicy. Due to the penalty point situation, Russell pretty much have free reign to bully Max into T1, and Max will likely have been told it'll be better to give up the position rather than being handed a full race ban. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On June 15 2025 22:51 Excludos wrote: Even George himself doesn't seem to think Max intentionally ran into him (Either that, or he's taking the high road. In which case, fair play to him). There's should be no doubt in anyone's head Max was being an idiot, something I've stated repeatedly too, but that doesn't mean he crashed on purpose. People are just way too quick to make up their minds to reflect what they want to see, and nuance in the internet era is long dead. Really doesn't help that some commentators are fucking idiots (Especially looking at Barbie here. He has a long history of being an absolute muppet). I think we can finally put this nonsense to rest now...or not, because F1 journalists are some of the worst in the business too. This is likely to keep popping up ad nauseum Fairly funny interview with George btw: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PiJqu8wFuws Warwick didn't think Max did it on purpose either. Quote: "Should he have done what he did, in Turn Five with George Russell? Absolutely not. Did he get a penalty for that? Yes. "It seems to me that, although he dove in, he then did turn away from George, but momentum pushed him against George. It is absolutely wrong and the FIA was right to give him a penalty." | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
out after all | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
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Penev
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LennX
4572 Posts
Antonelli takes out Max =/ Albon retires | ||
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