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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-19 23:56:54
September 19 2016 23:56 GMT
#741
Is Rooney really that bad now or can we attribute it to his managers' insistence on playing him in midfield/wings instead of second striker?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 03:46:00
September 20 2016 03:42 GMT
#742
even if he is fielded as a second striker he always drops deep. not sure if its him being ill-disciplined or if its an instruction, but he ends up dropping so far deep that he may as well be in midfield anyway.
when he actually stays up top he is incapable of receiving the ball and turning towards goal which causes him to either backpass it or spray it out to the wings. the very rare occasion he finds himself in space he will attempt a failed through ball/one-two pass (due to congested defense) or go for a shot (which hasnt worked out for him in a while).
overall hes just not good enough anymore. he was never that good technically but now that his physicality is deteriorating quickly hes just a liability

imo if we had to play rooney in this team i would put him at cdm as he has the work rate/aggression to hassle opponents and hes a good enough passer to do his part there, but theres no way rooney would hold that position and mou wouldnt want him there anyway
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 04:38:13
September 20 2016 04:35 GMT
#743
Its kinda make or break time isnt it.

A tough spell coming up and frankly he needs to cut Rooney, play Ibra and Rashford or may just play his inter style of a stacked midfield and give Ibra ball and Ibra win you game.

Tough month let see what Mou and friends have got.

I mean with the Rooney thing. where does it stop before you say no more. Mou goes and says.. well hes not a central striker, but hes not a pure midfielder either. Now Im hearing he can play DM.

Why not just stick him at left back then when Luke Shaw is out ? I think you have to accept the poor guy is past it or just needs a kick to the bench for a while. Its amazing to me that everyone can see it but Mou (who is literally the harbinger of "I will make unpopular decisions in the interest of the team") cant see it or doesnt want to see it.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 08:08:36
September 20 2016 07:32 GMT
#744
On September 20 2016 13:35 Rebs wrote:
Its amazing to me that everyone can see it but Mou (who is literally the harbinger of "I will make unpopular decisions in the interest of the team") cant see it or doesnt want to see it.


Because Mou has been trying to sign Rooney since forever and now that he finally has him he's awful haha.

On September 20 2016 16:40 Arevall wrote:
Rooney has been hilariously bad. ManU have been so slow and ineffective in the central midfield that it has been painful (as a neutral) to watch. I rather watch Allsvenskan.

Mou really needs to bring out the best of his players - because he has a decent team on paper.

And lol@Luke Shaw. After defending like that you can't complain if you get hung out.


Yeah it's horrible to watch, but it's not just Rooney though. Against us on Thursday United looked even worse, barely stringing a couple of passes together, and that was with a midfield with Pogba, Herrera and Schneiderlin. I haven't watched Utd well and often enough to understand the problems, but I don't think dropping just Rooney is going to be enough for them to start making an instant comeback.
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
September 20 2016 07:40 GMT
#745
Rooney has been hilariously bad. ManU have been so slow and ineffective in the central midfield that it has been painful (as a neutral) to watch. I rather watch Allsvenskan.

Mou really needs to bring out the best of his players - because he has a decent team on paper.

And lol@Luke Shaw. After defending like that you can't complain if you get hung out.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 20 2016 08:41 GMT
#746
Leicester vs Chelsea tonight in the cup, be interesting to see what Conte does with his team in this game. If he ever wants to try a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 or something left field, this competition is his only real chance to try it. If not i am wondering if he will rotate his squad or not as there is no need really as we don't play many games as it is
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
September 20 2016 09:42 GMT
#747
On September 19 2016 19:59 Zinnwaldite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2016 13:44 Dante08 wrote:
Interestingly out of the 5 games City have played, other than United, the other 4 teams are now 17, 18, 19 and 20 on the table currently. Maybe a little early to call them title favorites?


Who else would be a title favorite? ManU are going to be shit like usual. They might be able to get more points than they deserve but it will not be enough.
Arsenal and Tottenham are incapable of winning anything, they will always have a shit period that ruins things.
Chelsea has too many point losing flaws and will be unable to be as solid as they need to be.
Leichester won't even get close to defending the title.
And none of the dark horses are dark enough to grab the title i think.

City has the best team and the best manager.


Well I guess I agree for the most part except City have the best manager
I'll gladly concede he's the best manager if he wins the PL and also 1 more CL
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
September 20 2016 14:00 GMT
#748
Leicester are pretty over stretched. I can't imagine any one in the club oreven the city cares if they go through or not in the League Cup when they have Premier League and Champions League football.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 19:24:30
September 20 2016 19:04 GMT
#749
I've missed the way this chelsea team defends, the first few games this season looked like we had lost some great entertainment

e: Okazaki goal: https://streamable.com/y52x

morE more more

Okazaki 2nd: https://streamable.com/bczs
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
September 20 2016 19:26 GMT
#750
On September 17 2016 04:41 Faruko wrote:
poor pande

relevant, once again
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 20 2016 19:34 GMT
#751
Haha we not out of this one just yet
But holy crap we rely on our 37 year old centre back so fkn much it isn't even funny. Ivanovic worst game of his life on Friday with the armband and now Cahill trying his best to succeed him however with his goal he might be able to redeem himself.

Jesus, oh well. Come on Chels sort it out!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 20 2016 19:35 GMT
#752
On September 21 2016 04:04 sneirac wrote:
I've missed the way this chelsea team defends, the first few games this season looked like we had lost some great entertainment

e: Okazaki goal: https://streamable.com/y52x

morE more more

Okazaki 2nd: https://streamable.com/bczs

Jesus if that's not killer instinct I don't know what it is
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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 19:56:38
September 20 2016 19:36 GMT
#753
cahill goal: https://streamable.com/5fzz

e: and now azpilicueta with a stunner, chelsea defense greatest show on earth

gif: https://streamable.com/jbi7
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
September 20 2016 20:25 GMT
#754
Wolfsburg played well against Dortmund but still lost 1-5, crazy game.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 20:49:31
September 20 2016 20:49 GMT
#755
lmao leicester
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 20 2016 21:22 GMT
#756
Beautiful result in the end :D Happier! Great finishing and Cesc hopefully forced himself into the line up vs Arsenal. Come on Chels!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 23:42:05
September 20 2016 23:26 GMT
#757
On September 20 2016 16:40 Arevall wrote:
Rooney has been hilariously bad. ManU have been so slow and ineffective in the central midfield that it has been painful (as a neutral) to watch. I rather watch Allsvenskan.

Mou really needs to bring out the best of his players - because he has a decent team on paper.

And lol@Luke Shaw. After defending like that you can't complain if you get hung out.

None of the current midfielders at United has good pace, that's the main weakness that has been going on since even before Ferguson retired. Against top tier opponents, it's obvious that they'll just get ran over (see De Brunye). Against lesser tier teams, they're exposed to counter attacks. At this point I'd rather we play Fosu-Mensah on right back (whatever happened to that kid though? He was very promising in a few Van Gaal's games) and put Valencia as a defensive midfieder just to make use of his strength speed. Fellaini, Rooney and even Pogba can't chase for shit.

Edit:

On the Rooney's matter, I don't think Mourinho has the same level of backing that Pep has at City when he benched/booted Hart (who is very similar to Rooney in the City's squad). Mourinho sure as hell doesn't want to start a shit storm in his squad by benching the most influential player in the team at the moment, unless the board gives him the green light, which is very unlikely. Mourinho was just the right man for the job: getting United back on track of a championship contender in a year or two. Pep was hired to rebuild City and turn the team into an empire.

On one hand I somehow don't think the team will play much differently without Rooney on the field, it's not like Herrera or Schneiderlin is consistently better. But on another, I do feel the urge of wanting a change, for better or worse.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 23:36:25
September 20 2016 23:35 GMT
#758
Valencia is such a mess lol. They have fired Paco Ayestarán (ex-Benitez second coach) after 4 liga matches and the team with 0 points and in the last position in the table. Peter Lim sold all their young talented players (Gomes, Alcacer, Mustafi) this summer ignoring the coach staff.

The lesson: don't sell your team to a random Singaporean dude, friend of Mendez.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 20 2016 23:37 GMT
#759
I don't think speed is required in central midfield especially since Utd have fast wingers. More important is being able to keep the ball so that it can be distributed to the flanks as well as through the middle. If the team can only go through one side and one player like vs. Watford and put in useless crosses then it's even worse than last year's attack. Pogba is doing a lot of things badly but I think most damaging is that he's not used to the pressure in PL so he can't control the ball or the game. Otherwise he seems strong and fast enough even if he's not bursty.

Blind at DM might actually be good as he can put in accurate long range passes and generally has good defensive instincts. His main problem is being too weak, too slow, and bad in the air which can't happen at CD.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
September 21 2016 10:52 GMT
#760
I was pretty negative about the Leicester-Chelsea game before hand. But fair play to both clubs. That was a great game and both sides had chances to win it. Fun game that's all anyone wants from a League cup game and that's what the fans got.
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