EPTFirst (?) casualty of the season, as Enner Valencia is out for 3 months.
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NuclearJudas
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First (?) casualty of the season, as Enner Valencia is out for 3 months. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8916 Posts
tldr we have a good enough squad if lvg just knew how to use it like fergie did, but instead lvg clearly considers him to be above the club and is sacrificing a whole lot of shit for his "philosophy". hes got a great success record and thats why the club is letting him have his way, but if we dont see results then i fully expect woodward come through with the other part of his job which is keeping lvg in check. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I like the midfield, might even go as far to say the midfield is the best in the league squad wise. I think Yanited and Arsenal will finish above City this year though that is a fact. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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Azza
China650 Posts
As for United. They will finish forth. I really don't think they have the best midfield in the league. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9959 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On August 04 2015 16:45 evilfatsh1t wrote:on paper our squad is (was, if adm and de gea leave) as good as any. the only reason we arent considered favourites is because despite the world class talent we have in the team... Sorry who in our team is world class if ADM and DDG leave? Rooney is if he finds form, but due to LVG, moyes and fergie playing him out of position for 3 years hes unlikely to regain that form. So that only leaves schweinsteiger whos a year older and has to adjust to a new league. Arsenal have ozil, Sanchez and cech; man city have aguero and Silva; Chelsea have costa, hazard, courtois and matic as well as lots of players like fabgreas who are almost/maybe in that bracket. On August 04 2015 16:45 evilfatsh1t wrote: ...lvg's fault that adm (and nani) is leaving for playing "safer" young ahead of him, lvg's fault for deeming rafael as unreliable despite having proven numerously that he is one of the best rbs in the league... It's LVG fault that Di Maria is an unprofessional arsehole? What could LVG have done to stop Di Maria from deciding to throw his toys out the pram? Hes a goddam professional, paid millions a year, its the managers job to decide formations and who sits on the bench and frankly when he played like shit after his injury/house robbery, ashley young was playing better than him. It's no wonder Madrid wanted rid of him, and they are far more experienced dealing with pre maddonas egos and still didn't want this obnoxious gremlin. As for Rafeal, he was definitely a world class talent and I still believe he could have been the best full back in the world. Problem is he never was going to reach that potential because his body is made of glass. It took balls from LVG to remove him from the squad, but if he stayed he was too good to leave out of the first team when fit and too fragile to rely on in the first team, obvious way to solve this. Not to mention the new right back hes been replaced with looks fucking good for a cheap price as well, one of LVG's buys. Nani was lackluster for years now, Fergie even played young and Valencia over him, and hes 28 not getting any younger and wanted massive wages. Id much rather give someone like Adnan and Depay more games. LVG made some mistakes no doubt. But the most obvious ones for me was playing Di Mari wide instead of central (this is no excuse for Di Marias shitty personality at all), not sticking with the diamond just because it lost one game(probably due to a bad reff call i might add), not dropping RVP and Falcao for Rooney earlier. To further the last point I think if he wasn't playing Rooney as a striker he should have been on the bench, we have better CAM in Mata and Di Maria. I also think he had pretty bad luck in his first season, our whole back 4 retired, the worst injury crisis I can remember as a Utd fan, 2 worldclass strikers completely failing to turn up (who honestly predicted they would both not only fail to be world class but actually be total shite) and yet still took the team from 7th to 4th. For me the jurys still out, I do think his lack of practicality of formations/squad selection is frustrating at times but he has proven lots of times that his idealism has an end product, unlike say wenger. I would put us as the dark horse for the title, probably around the same chance as city, with Chelsea obvious favorites but with Arsenal very very close to them. | ||
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
He did this all the time in Real Madrid. In all his years at Madrid, he only was regular and good the first season and the final half of the last season. He is the most unprofessional player I have seen. He only plays seriously with the national team. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8916 Posts
On August 04 2015 21:11 UdderChaos wrote: Sorry who in our team is world class if ADM and DDG leave? Rooney is if he finds form, but due to LVG, moyes and fergie playing him out of position for 3 years hes unlikely to regain that form. So that only leaves schweinsteiger whos a year older and has to adjust to a new league. Arsenal have ozil, Sanchez and cech; man city have aguero and Silva; Chelsea have costa, hazard, courtois and matic as well as lots of players like fabgreas who are almost/maybe in that bracket. It's LVG fault that Di Maria is an unprofessional arsehole? What could LVG have done to stop Di Maria from deciding to throw his toys out the pram? Hes a goddam professional, paid millions a year, its the managers job to decide formations and who sits on the bench and frankly when he played like shit after his injury/house robbery, ashley young was playing better than him. It's no wonder Madrid wanted rid of him, and they are far more experienced dealing with pre maddonas egos and still didn't want this obnoxious gremlin. As for Rafeal, he was definitely a world class talent and I still believe he could have been the best full back in the world. Problem is he never was going to reach that potential because his body is made of glass. It took balls from LVG to remove him from the squad, but if he stayed he was too good to leave out of the first team when fit and too fragile to rely on in the first team, obvious way to solve this. Not to mention the new right back hes been replaced with looks fucking good for a cheap price as well, one of LVG's buys. Nani was lackluster for years now, Fergie even played young and Valencia over him, and hes 28 not getting any younger and wanted massive wages. Id much rather give someone like Adnan and Depay more games. LVG made some mistakes no doubt. But the most obvious ones for me was playing Di Mari wide instead of central (this is no excuse for Di Marias shitty personality at all), not sticking with the diamond just because it lost one game(probably due to a bad reff call i might add), not dropping RVP and Falcao for Rooney earlier. To further the last point I think if he wasn't playing Rooney as a striker he should have been on the bench, we have better CAM in Mata and Di Maria. I also think he had pretty bad luck in his first season, our whole back 4 retired, the worst injury crisis I can remember as a Utd fan, 2 worldclass strikers completely failing to turn up (who honestly predicted they would both not only fail to be world class but actually be total shite) and yet still took the team from 7th to 4th. For me the jurys still out, I do think his lack of practicality of formations/squad selection is frustrating at times but he has proven lots of times that his idealism has an end product, unlike say wenger. I would put us as the dark horse for the title, probably around the same chance as city, with Chelsea obvious favorites but with Arsenal very very close to them. yeah we dont have many world class players that are currently in their peak, but we do have world class players who were or could have been. rooney, mata, schweinsteiger are undisputedly world class players. whether or not they play to that level right now is a different story. then we have and had players like carrick, herrera, rvp, nani, rafael etc who all have/had moments that put them up there. we also have youth like januzaj or perreira who could develop into world class talents. times are much more unforgiving now for sure, but id rather watch these young guys go out and take risks in order to prove themselves rather than watch the senior squad make the 20th backpass because lvg said "dont try to beat the defender because we'll get beat on the counter". like i said, maybe i have high expectations because fergie was able to bring titles with squads worse than our current one, but you cant tell me that the players in man utd right now dont have the talent to win the league. if certain individuals are under performing then you could put blame on the players, but despite getting 4th last season the whole team has shown lackluster performances for several seasons now. thats quite simply mismanagement. and yes adm throwing a tantrum right now and choosing to leave is hugely unprofessional, but if lvg wasnt so stubborn with his tactics then perhaps this situation wouldnt have arised in the first place. scrap the possession retaining obsession and go back to the clubs roots. like i said earlier, up till now lvg has shown results through and through. 4th is still a good achievement considering where we were before, but with hundreds of millions spent, old fan favourites being sold and a playstyle that looks nothing like the united that most people are used to seeing, its time to see proper results. maybe im just really impatient but i became a united fan watching their bold attacks inspired by players who had no fear. now i watch a team of similar calibre play like pussies too scared to lose the ball. | ||
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UdderChaos
United Kingdom707 Posts
On August 04 2015 22:19 evilfatsh1t wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2015 21:11 UdderChaos wrote: Sorry who in our team is world class if ADM and DDG leave? Rooney is if he finds form, but due to LVG, moyes and fergie playing him out of position for 3 years hes unlikely to regain that form. So that only leaves schweinsteiger whos a year older and has to adjust to a new league. Arsenal have ozil, Sanchez and cech; man city have aguero and Silva; Chelsea have costa, hazard, courtois and matic as well as lots of players like fabgreas who are almost/maybe in that bracket. It's LVG fault that Di Maria is an unprofessional arsehole? What could LVG have done to stop Di Maria from deciding to throw his toys out the pram? Hes a goddam professional, paid millions a year, its the managers job to decide formations and who sits on the bench and frankly when he played like shit after his injury/house robbery, ashley young was playing better than him. It's no wonder Madrid wanted rid of him, and they are far more experienced dealing with pre maddonas egos and still didn't want this obnoxious gremlin. As for Rafeal, he was definitely a world class talent and I still believe he could have been the best full back in the world. Problem is he never was going to reach that potential because his body is made of glass. It took balls from LVG to remove him from the squad, but if he stayed he was too good to leave out of the first team when fit and too fragile to rely on in the first team, obvious way to solve this. Not to mention the new right back hes been replaced with looks fucking good for a cheap price as well, one of LVG's buys. Nani was lackluster for years now, Fergie even played young and Valencia over him, and hes 28 not getting any younger and wanted massive wages. Id much rather give someone like Adnan and Depay more games. LVG made some mistakes no doubt. But the most obvious ones for me was playing Di Mari wide instead of central (this is no excuse for Di Marias shitty personality at all), not sticking with the diamond just because it lost one game(probably due to a bad reff call i might add), not dropping RVP and Falcao for Rooney earlier. To further the last point I think if he wasn't playing Rooney as a striker he should have been on the bench, we have better CAM in Mata and Di Maria. I also think he had pretty bad luck in his first season, our whole back 4 retired, the worst injury crisis I can remember as a Utd fan, 2 worldclass strikers completely failing to turn up (who honestly predicted they would both not only fail to be world class but actually be total shite) and yet still took the team from 7th to 4th. For me the jurys still out, I do think his lack of practicality of formations/squad selection is frustrating at times but he has proven lots of times that his idealism has an end product, unlike say wenger. I would put us as the dark horse for the title, probably around the same chance as city, with Chelsea obvious favorites but with Arsenal very very close to them. yeah we dont have many world class players that are currently in their peak, but we do have world class players who were or could have been. rooney, mata, schweinsteiger are undisputedly world class players. whether or not they play to that level right now is a different story. then we have and had players like carrick, herrera, rvp, nani, rafael etc who all have/had moments that put them up there. we also have youth like januzaj or perreira who could develop into world class talents. times are much more unforgiving now for sure, but id rather watch these young guys go out and take risks in order to prove themselves rather than watch the senior squad make the 20th backpass because lvg said "dont try to beat the defender because we'll get beat on the counter". like i said, maybe i have high expectations because fergie was able to bring titles with squads worse than our current one, but you cant tell me that the players in man utd right now dont have the talent to win the league. if certain individuals are under performing then you could put blame on the players, but despite getting 4th last season the whole team has shown lackluster performances for several seasons now. thats quite simply mismanagement. and yes adm throwing a tantrum right now and choosing to leave is hugely unprofessional, but if lvg wasnt so stubborn with his tactics then perhaps this situation wouldnt have arised in the first place. scrap the possession retaining obsession and go back to the clubs roots. like i said earlier, up till now lvg has shown results through and through. 4th is still a good achievement considering where we were before, but with hundreds of millions spent, old fan favourites being sold and a playstyle that looks nothing like the united that most people are used to seeing, its time to see proper results. maybe im just really impatient but i became a united fan watching their bold attacks inspired by players who had no fear. now i watch a team of similar calibre play like pussies too scared to lose the ball. I get what your saying but there's some massive revisionism going on here. Since 2008 we have played some really ugly football, especially under SAF in his last years. And back passes with no boldness only under LVG? What did you think cleverly and Valencia were doing under SAF? Even in his last year I remember lots of games that season where we played like utter arse, deserved to lose, then Carrick or Rooney hit one good pass and RVP forced it into a magical goal. | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
Kevin-Prince Boateng just arrived at Lisbon to sign with #NotSportingLisbon. Pablo Osvaldo also arrived at Porto and will sign with porto. With Taraabt in Benfica I think we've already met the quota of insubordinate brats (Di Maria correlation). Isn't balotelli also free? | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On August 04 2015 20:00 evilfatsh1t wrote: maybe my expectations are too high because fergie pulled miracles with squads way worse than now. we do lack a world class back 4 though, something fergie had even if it was aging I don't mean to specifically shit on you, but this is literally every Man U fan I know in real life. "OMG we didn't finish top 4 - fire the manager. OMG we didn't win the league - fire the manager. WHY CAN'T WE WIN EVERY SEASON LIKE THEY DID WHEN I STARTED SUPPORTING THEM SO I CAN WIN VICARIOUSLY THROUGH THEM ; - ;" Fergie is easily one of the top managers of all time. The last time United won the league is proof of that. But he didn't leave a very great squad behind. Moyes didn't get much to change things with (didn't you only buy Fellaini under him?) and lost the dressing room I guess after the infamous potato chip debacle. LVG's mission has always been to establish the team among the top 4 again and solidify a platform for the next manager (and you can bet they won't chance it on a lower manager again) to go on from. As good as United have bought, that's also a possible issue; They've bought so much. It's going to take time for the team to gel in competitive games and I can see them getting bent over against Chelsea and City. As boring as it might be, a safe top 4 finish is probably the best Man U can wish for, and it's a good thing to get as well. ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/891e717e9141b3f1f11064637539e584.png) The code Pande posted looks correct to me. If the joining trouble persists, PM me your e-mail and I'll add you manually. Pretty sure Balotelli's still on Liverpool's books. Would be an unbelievable move to just dump him on a free after one season. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28876 Posts
25 minutes into the regame, Dinamo Zagreb is leading 3-0. Since then, Molde has missed two penalties, had one player sent off, and the scoreline is currently 3-3. If I supported either team then I would imagine this being a pretty intense emotional rollercoaster.. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On August 05 2015 03:52 Liquid`Drone wrote: lolz so Molde (norwegian champ last season) playing champions league qualification against Dinamo Zagreb. First game ended 1-1 in Zagreb, seemed like a good result for Molde. 25 minutes into the regame, Dinamo Zagreb is leading 3-0. Since then, Molde has missed two penalties, had one player sent off, and the scoreline is currently 3-3. If I supported either team then I would imagine this being a pretty intense emotional rollercoaster.. Football fans in this part of Europe are used to illogical unreal plays so its pretty meh. We've already seen all the fails possible. By the way, sign up for the prediction league guys. Much better than American sport inventions like fantasy football. You don't want to be that 'soccer' guy do you? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Germany3464 Posts
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